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Itís true: Government agents are infiltrating online communities
Glenn Beck ^ | 2/26/14 | Glenn Beck

Posted on 02/26/2014 5:22:57 PM PST by Nachum

If you have been following Glenn since his days at Fox News, you may remember the expose he did on Obama ‘regulatory czar’ Cass Sunstein and his nudge theory. One of Sunstein’s more disturbing ideas involved government operatives infiltrating online communities in order to disseminate false information. As Glenn describes it, the goal was to “pose, infiltrate, and discredit.” Anyone who actually took Sunstein’s words at face value were mocked and labeled conspiracy theorists. But, as it turns out, it was all true.

“The English version of the NSA is the GCHQ… The English NSA has now revealed that that’s exactly what our government is doing,” Glenn said on radio this morning. “What Cass Sunstein proposed in a purely academic setting – that was his excuse – the British NSA has now verified. That’s exactly what we are doing. And so there are operatives posing as regular citizens on our web sites and in our organizations. I mean how crazy is that? Wake up, America! Wake up!”

Glenn Greewald – the former Guardian reporter who worked to publish the material exposed by Edward Snowden – released a thorough report on his new website, FirstLook.org, dissecting the data.

Greenwald reports:

Over the last several weeks, I worked with NBC News to publish a series of articles about “dirty trick” tactics used by GCHQ’s previously secret unit, JTRIG (Joint Threat Research Intelligence Group). These were based on four classified GCHQ documents presented to the NSA and the other three partners in the English-speaking “Five Eyes” alliance. Today, we at the Intercept are publishing another new JTRIG document, in full, entitled “The Art of Deception: Training for Online Covert Operations.”

By publishing these stories one by one, our NBC reporting highlighted some of the key, discrete revelations: the monitoring of YouTube and Blogger,

(Excerpt) Read more at glennbeck.com ...


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1 posted on 02/26/2014 5:22:57 PM PST by Nachum
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To: Nachum; LucyT; maggief; 2ndDivisionVet; WildHighlander57; Seizethecarp

FYI


2 posted on 02/26/2014 5:26:07 PM PST by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then or now)
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To: Nachum

3 posted on 02/26/2014 5:26:33 PM PST by gaijin
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To: Nachum

Its no surprise.

Propaganda minister Cass Sunstein wrote a paper on the techniques when he was at Columbia university years ago.


4 posted on 02/26/2014 5:28:50 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Nachum

FUNSA


5 posted on 02/26/2014 5:29:08 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Nachum

The Government listening to our private phone conversations and email and using paid shills to manipulate public opinion on the Internet? Why, only tin foil hat wearing, moonbat kooks believe that rot! The nutters have been spouting that nonsense for years.


6 posted on 02/26/2014 5:30:19 PM PST by Count of Monte Fisto (The foundation of modern society is the denial of reality.)
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To: Nachum

I wonder who the FR agent is...


7 posted on 02/26/2014 5:30:26 PM PST by kinsman redeemer (The real enemy seeks to devour what is good.)
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To: Nachum
Ohhhh, I so hope the next Repub Prez turns Obama's policies on Dems! I hope he/she has a plan to remove/marginalize all Dem operatives at all levels of every agency; root them out or move them to jobs/locations they hate and won't be able to subvert the cleansing process.

Yeah, like that'll ever happen. We play too nice.....

8 posted on 02/26/2014 5:33:24 PM PST by jeffc (The U.S. media are our enemy)
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To: Nachum

America has become one big re-education camp.


9 posted on 02/26/2014 5:35:14 PM PST by Lexington Green (America has become one big re-education camp.)
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To: Nachum

FTA: “Ultimately, Glenn had a simple message for his listeners and viewers: When you come across someone who appears to be a troll – don’t engage.

“I’m not saying this for any other reason than you have to be extraordinarily careful on what you look at. When you read, especially comments sections, it is easy to get the view that ‘wow, I’m kind of alone,’” Glenn explained. So I want you to understand that’s what’s happening… You fight fire with water… If you know the game they are playing, when you see things like that, don’t engage. Just don’t engage… You have to understand it and then fight fire with water.”

I was just looking at the comments on an article about the terrorists who became an Obamacare navigator and noticed that the big troll there was almost totally ignored. No matter how obnoxious he barely got any replies and the 2 he did were to tell him to go away.

I’ve stopped a couple of trolls recently by asking them to list what fatass did at Secretary of State that would justify her being promoted to POTUS. No answer.


10 posted on 02/26/2014 5:36:01 PM PST by Aria ( 2008 & 2012 weren't elections - they were coup d'etats.)
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To: kinsman redeemer
I wonder who the FR agent is...

Somebody on this forum has been saying that I am paranoid. Now who is it?

11 posted on 02/26/2014 5:39:55 PM PST by VRW Conspirator ( 2+2 = V)
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To: Count of Monte Fisto
using paid shills to manipulate public opinion on the Internet

Ancient tactic using modern tools. In the progressive era they were the four minute men who just had something to say and the handful of people placed throughout a crowd to appear numerous and agree. Saul Alinsky called it the diamond technique. Unions still use it today.

"Ellie Light" posted here at FR....and literally hundreds of other places nationwide. There's one who used to show up in every thread about the national popular vote to pimp it with paragraphs long responses that came only seconds apart. I did some searching and found the exact words posted in over 120 different places.
12 posted on 02/26/2014 5:40:49 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Jet Jaguar; NorwegianViking; ExTexasRedhead; HollyB; FromLori; EricTheRed_VocalMinority; ...

The list, Ping

Let me know if you would like to be on or off the ping list

http://www.nachumlist.com/


13 posted on 02/26/2014 5:42:25 PM PST by Nachum (Obamacare: It's. The. Flaw.)
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To: kinsman redeemer

“I wonder who the FR agent is...”

You rang?


14 posted on 02/26/2014 5:44:16 PM PST by JimSEA
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To: Nachum

From 2010

Ellie Light: Dozens more sightings of Obama’s most prolific letter-writing fan

http://www.cleveland.com/open/index.ssf/2010/01/ellie_light_dozens_more_sighti.html


15 posted on 02/26/2014 5:44:23 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Nachum

Greenwald: How Covert Agents Infiltrate the Internet to Manipulate, Deceive and Destroy Reputations
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3126612/posts


16 posted on 02/26/2014 5:44:23 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2M for Sarah Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: Nachum

yes Nachum ... True! Maybe is too late but I will not be counted out, just yet!!! FUBO!


17 posted on 02/26/2014 5:44:59 PM PST by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: JimSEA

I think its that Jim Thompson guy who showed up here a couple years back.......


18 posted on 02/26/2014 5:45:42 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Nachum; COUNTrecount; Nowhere Man; FightThePower!; C. Edmund Wright; jacob allen; Travis McGee; ...

Nut-job Conspiracy Theory Ping!

To get onto The Nut-job Conspiracy Theory Ping List you must threaten to report me to the Mods if I don't add you to the list...

19 posted on 02/26/2014 5:46:34 PM PST by null and void (<--- unwilling cattle-car passenger on the bullet train to serfdom)
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To: cripplecreek; Jim Robinson
I think its that Jim Thompson guy who showed up here a couple years back.......

Hmmm, I dunno… Thompson seems like such a stand-up guy, I think the better bet is on that Robinson fellow.
;)

20 posted on 02/26/2014 5:48:26 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: null and void

Always wondered 7 proxies or 7 levels of security? Don’t answer!


21 posted on 02/26/2014 5:49:50 PM PST by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: OneWingedShark

If allowed it is my fault.


22 posted on 02/26/2014 5:50:44 PM PST by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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Coconut ... LOL


23 posted on 02/26/2014 5:52:01 PM PST by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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24 posted on 02/26/2014 5:53:24 PM PST by Lady Jag (Tolerance and apathy are the last virtues of a dying society. - Aristotle)
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25 posted on 02/26/2014 5:53:35 PM PST by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: kinsman redeemer

I can’t name any one individual poster that I suspect is a left-wing plant, but you can bet there are several. Judge them by their fruits.


26 posted on 02/26/2014 5:54:27 PM PST by Oklahoma
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27 posted on 02/26/2014 5:55:47 PM PST by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: Oklahoma

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28 posted on 02/26/2014 5:58:13 PM PST by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: Nachum

The smart ones are awake. The ones who voted for Obama, are dumb and not awake. I dont for a minute believe this started with Obama.


29 posted on 02/26/2014 5:58:56 PM PST by Carry me back
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To: kinsman redeemer

There are more than just one.

Any post having to do with Obama will have dozens of trolls and obots being derogatory and calling out slurs.


30 posted on 02/26/2014 6:00:47 PM PST by SatinDoll (A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN IS BORN IN THE USA OF USA CITIZEN PARENTS)
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To: kinsman redeemer
"I wonder who the FR agent is..."

I wonder how many.

31 posted on 02/26/2014 6:04:49 PM PST by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: kinsman redeemer

Do you honestly believe there is only one?


32 posted on 02/26/2014 6:08:04 PM PST by Nik Naym (It's not my fault... I have compulsive smartass disorder.)
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To: Nachum

Since these documents were presented to the “Five Eyes Alliance”, I will have to assume the NSA and these other agencies are using these tactics as well, given what I’ve read and heard about the NSA’s actions so far.


33 posted on 02/26/2014 6:09:15 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (The PASSING LANE is for PASSING, not DAWDLING)
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To: Nachum
Relax, I'm hot on the trail of the FR troll-mole.
34 posted on 02/26/2014 6:31:27 PM PST by JPG (Yes We Can morphs into Make It Hurt.)
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To: BigBrother

             

           

35 posted on 02/26/2014 6:50:48 PM PST by tomkat
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To: kinsman redeemer
Here's how they work on this very site:

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To: Buckeye McFrog

I dont know if my daughter qualifies as ‘hard left’ but she says she would like single payer but knows it would never pass. Most of the real fighting seems to be over that ‘public option’ thing zero keeps talking about. My daughter says she is fighting for that because it is the only way she will ever be insured (she has pre-existing conditions). My neighbor down the street is the same way. She is diabetic and lost her job a few months ago. She found a new job but it doesnt have insurance and she cant afford cobra. Now my sister has recruited her into the march toward socialism. We need to find these people an alternative to obamacare or they just might succeed in pushing it through.

20 posted on 07/22/2009 12:27:18 PM PDT by MadisonChristian
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I meant daughter not sister above though sometimes I fight with my daughter as much as I ever did with my sister.

21 posted on 07/22/2009 12:30:08 PM PDT by MadisonChristian
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36 posted on 02/26/2014 6:51:37 PM PST by Auntie Mame (Fear not tomorrow. God is already there.)
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To: Auntie Mame
Here's another post as an example of troll performance (note this person was finally banned):

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To: 101voodoo

The main problem I have is the my son says his opinion is based on his own data and research not just all other scientists he talks to, so when I try to challenge his notions he acts like Im calling him a lier or something. The other day he tried to show me some charts of ocean temperatures and plankten samples and how carbon was building up and making acid. Ill admit it was all a bit over my head, but since this is his own research he obviously has a lot of emotion tied to and that makes it hard to talk to him about it. He honestly thinks people like us are ‘killing the planet’. Im really glad Ive found a community like this where I can share because since my husband has been gone some years I dont have anyone to about this.

28 posted on 06/07/2009 6:20:15 AM PDT by MadisonChristian
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37 posted on 02/26/2014 6:54:51 PM PST by Auntie Mame (Fear not tomorrow. God is already there.)
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To: null and void

I find myself just shaken my head these days


38 posted on 02/26/2014 7:01:13 PM PST by Nifster
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To: Auntie Mame

That tool deserved the ZOT on grammar/punctuation grounds alone.

Speaking of tools:  Hey NSA, you nazi jerkøffs need to up your recruitment standards .. try some S.Korean 7th graders.

39 posted on 02/26/2014 7:06:52 PM PST by tomkat (3%+1)
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40 posted on 02/26/2014 7:21:55 PM PST by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: Aria

I have noticed that the shills get called out and piled on. They really don’t seem to have much real influence. They almost always resort to name-calling and address people in a demeaning and derogatory manner, rather than ever posting intelligent comments. They never post analysis.

They stand out like big sore thumbs.


41 posted on 02/26/2014 7:39:23 PM PST by reformedliberal
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To: reformedliberal

This sounds hugh. I’m series.


42 posted on 02/26/2014 7:43:36 PM PST by bicyclerepair (TERM LIMITS .......... TERM LIMITS .......... TERM LIMITS)
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To: Nachum

So who’s the BO agents here at FR??

Would have to have a join date after 2009 unless someone’s being paid to turn.

(And it’s not me, I swear!!)


43 posted on 02/26/2014 8:00:42 PM PST by KosmicKitty (WARNING: Hormonally crazed woman ahead!!)
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To: reformedliberal

“They stand out like big sore thumbs.”

Actually, the real trolls don’t stand out at all. They are very low key and it’s really easy to pass them by. It’s insidious. MadisonChristian posted for several months before being disappeared. And don’t think he/she isn’t still posting under another four or five names, either.


44 posted on 02/26/2014 8:09:42 PM PST by Auntie Mame (Fear not tomorrow. God is already there.)
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To: Nachum

Donde esa llama esa llama


45 posted on 02/26/2014 8:11:24 PM PST by Spartan302
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To: KosmicKitty
So who’s the BO agents here at FR??

Anyone who says "I'm conservative, but...."

If they were really conservative, they'd not only "have" the conservative response, they'd also "believe" the conservative response.

46 posted on 02/26/2014 8:20:25 PM PST by papertyger ("refusing to draw an inescapable conclusion does not qualify as a 'difference of opinion.'")
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To: Auntie Mame
Actually, the real trolls don’t stand out at all. They are very low key and it’s really easy to pass them by. It’s insidious. MadisonChristian posted for several months before being disappeared. And don’t think he/she isn’t still posting under another four or five names, either.

I agree. The more subtle Ellie Lights are the most insidious.
47 posted on 02/26/2014 8:21:41 PM PST by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the Occupation Media.)
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To: KosmicKitty
So who’s the BO agents here at FR??

Just read some of the Obama identity threads. You will find them.
48 posted on 02/26/2014 8:23:27 PM PST by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the Occupation Media.)
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To: Nachum
The online KGB...funny that just tonight RT - Russia Today television - had a feature story on the Sunstein plot to have administration agents spread false stories via the internet, delivered with great disapproval and indignation - bizarre to have the Russians of all people take the high road against the US when it comes to sleazy government infiltration and propaganda - fully justified of course....
49 posted on 02/26/2014 9:35:09 PM PST by Intolerant in NJ
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To: Auntie Mame

Good Call. I’ve encountered trolls exactly like “MadisonChristian” on other threads. The writing is too pat and forced.

They worm their way in slowly and quietly pretending to be one of us, glad to be here and ask lots of questions. They’re quick with praise and kind words “glad to meet you!” “tell me more!” —to lure in others to their side.

When they do drop their facade and show their true colors, they have a following and people who are loyal to them — then BOOM the troll gets us to turn on one another by calling other posters “closet lefties” or “shills” or some other such thing - the posters the trolls has cultivated over a period of months now back troll. Before you know it, people are at each other’s throats. I know one site that closed commenting permanently after this sort of attack, another site that had to shut down commentary for about 3 months before the mods could untangle the mess and another forum where I caught the SAME troll doing the same thing.

One long time poster was pouring out his heart to this troll, who had just showed up out of nowhere — I think he was about to hand over his credit card information and everything, he was so taken in by the flattery of this troll. I recognized the troll and outted him — he left cussing and screaming and calling me all kinds of names but those duped were completely embarrassed that they’d been taken in.

Bottom line: Don’t let your guard down when someone shows up out of nowhere with oozing praise and flattery, asks to learn all about us, says he’s glad he found a home where he’s comfortable with like-minded people, and asks too many personal questions.

And, no, I’m not (one of the) FReep trolls.


50 posted on 02/26/2014 9:58:45 PM PST by Bon of Babble (Don't want to brag...but I can still fit into the earrings I wore in high school!!)
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