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Looks like I hit a nerve but I appreciate some of the replies in that they tried to explain what the legislation was specifically about. Unfortunately I was unable to raise the actual bill (which I should have tried harder to do so), and apparently misunderstood its basic intent.

Okay. That shows that I’m not God, only human.

However, we have a problem, Houston, and it still involves discrimination. The question is, “Is it deliberately hurtful discrimination or unintentional/situational discrimination (i.e. religious belief based, etc).”

I have no specific answer except to say the following:

I’m against gay marriage because I (from my upbringing and societal beliefs), feel that it is an attempt to undermine the basic purpose of marriage, which was to provide a stable foundation for the family to live in, and thus to help make society stable as a whole.

Forget divorce for the moment. From the time of Moses and the Hebrew exodus from Egypt (and maybe other earlier examples), tribes, groups, etc. moved in familial/tribal - extended family - units for safety, work efficiency, etc.

It has been a mainstay of humanity for thousands of years and today a stable family with a father/father figure and mother/mother figure (i.e. step-parents, for example), are needed more than ever. You can look at the disaster that has befallen the “black family” since the late 60’s/70’s. onward.

Where once a strong father helped rule the roost, so to speak, or in the absence of a male figure, often the grandmother or mother, you had some stability. The Black Churches also used to be pillars of community stability as well as often serving as surrogate “fathers” at times.

Today, you have the serious deterioration of the black family (and many white families) with the desertion of the father, and sometimes, the mother, or no father or mother by marriage.

That foundation leg of society, the family, has been hacked at for decades, just as the Left/Liberals have hacked away at other societal legs - morality in general, sexual morality specifically, honesty, self pride, achievement by one’s own efforts/merits, learning how to win and learning how to lose, substituting video games for books, “tweets” for actual writing, emasculated history because it featured “old white men” as the center of Western civilization/history, etc.

However, our society, often unseen, but in reality, has also been strenghtened as old prejudices have given way to more tolerance of people different than ourselves. The advance of the black Americans has been greatly helped by the destruction of Jim Crow laws (which, as I pointed out earlier, also applied in different forms to Jews, the Irish, the Chinese, Japanese, etc in earlier America).

WW2 brought together the races (as they say), to fight for one country, America, despite its warts and flaws. Blacks proved that they could fight (as Black Jack Pershing knew from WW1), be it the Tuskegee Airmen, the 269th (”From Harlem to the Rhine”), the Red Ball Express, the Indian Code-talkers of the Pacific, Ira Hayes on Iwo Jima (where my father-in-law fought), to Moslem American soldiers who helped tremendously in Iraq as witnessed first hand by my son’s unit.

A soldier is an American, not a black, or white, or Christian or Jew or Sikh, or Indian. The uniform is one color because it represents one country. I saw this in Vietnam.

As for ‘discrimination’ as the basis of all civilization, yes, if you want to phrase it that way. Different people have different customs, moraes, languages, physical features, etc. And if they are the dominant people in an area, they do look at others as “not of their own”. That doesn’t mean you have to discriminate against them if they are decent citizens or even visitors.

Look at Nigeria, where religious wars are raging, following by decades earlier of ethnic/tribal wars (Biafra, etc). In fact much of SubSharan Africa has been destroyed by tribal and religious wars, destroying the efforts of the British and French to create unified nations (done badly and arbitrarily, which made matters worse).

We don’t want that here, not after the Civil War and slavery, the rise of the KKK (who didn’t like blacks, Jews, Catholics and lots of other people), the American Firsters (some were just plain out bigots), and now the Black extremists of Stokely Carmichael to the Reparationists of Rev. Wright and Eric Holder, or the White Aryan Nation groups who often look to Hitler for their “final solution”.

We are in a new era of social development and old traditions are under extreme stress, while newer issues such as gay rights, immigrant rights (i.e. illegal immigrant rights), legalized marijuana (which I oppose on both health and safety grounds, except for medical use), and even polygamy, have arisen to test and even tear us apart.

The best thing gays could do, in conjunction with say, the bakers who don’t want to facilitate cakes for gay weddings, is to work out alternative sources of goods and services.

I’m sure that there are many bakeries who would not mind making a cake for a gay wedding, or a Moslem wedding, or even a Wiccan wedding (if they have such a thing).

While it may not be the perfect solution, it would defuse a lot of the tensions and misperceptions surrounding these issues, issues which the Obama regime is promoting and making fester in order to divide us. And it is working.

However, as I said, respect and tolerance is a two-way street. Both parties, or all parties, must agree to a mutual way of resolving these issues without destroying ourselves and our society.

Why do the job that the Left wants, which is to Balkanize this country along religious, ethnic, racial and marxist economic lines? Instead, we should be uniting against those extremists that Obama has put into power in the federal government, as well as some of the absolutely disruptive leftists now being elected at the state and local level. They love power, chaos and dissension.

I had two law teachers who had the worse jobs in the world. One was a Jewish attorney who was representing the Nazis in their bid for a march permit through the largely Jewish (and Holocaust survivor) area of Skokie, Illinois. He was a volunteer for the ACLU and hated the Nazis, but he taught us that the “law” had to be applied to all “equally” or the discrimination and restriction of basic constitutional rights for one, would later be applied to others, possibly including us, one day. He was right.

The other attorney was a white liberal who had to defend the Black Muslim murderers of a rival group, the Hannafi Muslims, whose members had been slaughtered in their house in Wash. D.C. He got death threats from all sides, but he was an attorney whose assigned job was to defend the accused.

He didn’t pick his clients, he didn’t like his clients, and he knew, based on the evidence, that they were guilty of mass murder of men, women and children. However, he was upholding the right to representation in court, regardless of who the client/defendant was.

He was preserving a basic constitutional right, for everyone in that court and for those to follow in the future, perhaps even you and me.

Often there are no easy choices in life so you do the best you can. By being united we stand a better chance of finding ways to either resolve “balkanizing” problems or at least to reduce their destructiveness as festering sores.

Let’s not fall into the trap of the Left. They want disunity, hate, discrimination, class warfare, intolerance, and a permanent underclass with “grievances” (economic, racial, religious, sexual, educational, etc).

They are getting it because we are fighting amongst ourselves instead of forming a firm unified front of decent Americans to stop, counter and destroy them.

And all this about a wedding cake. Aren’t there any other bakers in Arizona who could offer to make it for the guys and let it go at that?

This is the least of our worries. Pretty soon we may not be able to afford to buy a cake, of any kind, or the FDA will tell us what flavors or colors we can and cannot use in making one. That is the real danger to us, to society.

Time we faced reality and fought the real foe, not ourselves.