There is some information in this thread that I have not heard before...possible big change to thinking...at least to research.
I believe the poster butter..something..can’t recall the full name, had a thread about that sub club thing.
If I can find it, I’ll let you know.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3107346/posts?q=1&;page=1
Not sure if the above worked, but that is the thread that delves into the whole subud angle. Starting around post
52.