Posted on 02/28/2014 5:44:50 AM PST by rellimpank
Madison — Gun-control activists and Democrats — including state attorney general candidate Jon Richards — called Thursday for passing universal background checks on gun sales in the state.
In the waning days of the legislative session, the proposal faces an essentially impossible path in the GOP-controlled Legislature, where influential lawmakers see it as a burden on gun owners that doesn't bring enough benefits.
Wisconsin requires people who purchase guns from federal-licensed dealers to undergo background checks that can turn up whether a person is prohibited by law from owning a gun because of factors such as his or her criminal record or mental condition.
But state law doesn't regulate sales, such as those between individuals and at gun shows.
The bill would require background checks on all sales by routing them through licensed dealers. The bill would exempt guns that are temporarily borrowed for hunting and target shooting, given to family members as gifts or an inheritance or sold to licensed dealers.
It would add some cost to private sales because of that extra step.
Advocates from the Wisconsin Anti-Violence Effort brought forward 16,500 petition signatures Thursday in support of the bill, which has strong backing among state voters, according to surveys such as the Marquette University Law School Poll.
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True about their lying.
This is a false statement in the authors above writings, “But state law doesn’t regulate sales, such as those between individuals and at gun shows.” It true that state law doesn’t regulate individual sales. However, the lie is the inference that gun show sales don’t require ATF documentation. Any sale made by a FFL licensee requires ATF forms plus a instant background check. Now, an individual who decides to take a gun to a gun show so as to sell it would not be required to fill out federal ATF forms as these transactions are between private parties. These transactions are a very small percent of sales made at gun sales. I’m guessing about 1% or so.....
Background checks are pointless because criminals don’t ask for permission anyway.
The answer is NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So-called "universal" background checks really means "on all private sales too" and aren't really going to be universal. These laws (on the books in at least a couple of places and proposed in several others) are a bad idea for at least 3 reasons:
One, they have no precedent, no analog in any other private transaction. They place a unique burden on the seller. If I sell you a house, do I first have to check to ensure none of my neighbors have a restraining order against you? Or that you're not a child molester who would then be too close to a school? If I'm selling you a car do I have to first ensure you have a drivers license, no history of DUIs etc.? No, of course not. So why single out firearms transfers for this unique burden upon the seller?
Two, it implies liability. Criminals are going to buy firearms. The law doesn't stop that, heck they're criminals, that's what they do. So these laws now criminalize the activity of the otherwise law abiding citizen - the seller. It is implying some responsibility on the part of the seller for what the purchaser has done or may do. Down this path lies the madness we see in product liability laws.
Three, it will be completely in-effective. Consider that for a moment. Why pass a law that you know will not work, will not make an impact on criminal behavior. Yet it will impact law abiding citizens (negatively). Why waste the legislature's time - don't they have other more productive things they can be doing? If not, then I suggest a pay cut and reduced work schedule for them. If anyone thinks these kinds of laws will work you are living in a fantasy world. Most, virtually all, firearms used to commit crimes are purchased illegally or stolen. That means the people using them are already criminals. Do you think breaking another law is going to mean anything to them when they are already breaking a dozen or so? If anything these kinds of laws will simply drive criminal purchasers to other criminals rather than buying from unsuspecting law abiding citizens. So the net effect will be an upswing in those kinds of criminal enterprises.
So, "universal background check" laws are laws that waste the legislature's time, hurts law abiding citizens, doesn't stop or even slow down criminal's ability to get firearms, and even promotes and enhances other criminal enterprises. Wow. Do you see it now? These are breathtakingly dumb ideas and bad laws. Probably why the Sheriffs in Colorado are not only not enforcing them, but actively opposing them via a lawsuit to have these dumb-a**ed laws repealed.
You could probably update that graphic to include recent killings of Christians and the burning of their churches in the Middlle East...
Let’s remind them that they’re not just asking for background checks to confirm buyers are legally qualified. They are also asking for databasing the buyer and the model and serial number of the guns they purchase.
The debate must be framed to win it. We’re not objecting to the background check per se (I don’t mind being carded for liquor purchases). The checking agency doesn’t need to be told what is being bought, or even whether anything is being bought. It could be a criminal check for a new babysitter. Except for the identity of the possible buyer, the information needs to flow only one way: to the seller.
Let them come back with: “OK, we don’t need to archive the serial number.”
By now, the facts are so obvious that such people need to be confronted about their lack of pattern recognition, bordering on mental illness.
It might even be good to sneer into their face that it is “settled law”, like the “settled science” of MMGW.
Call them “Gun Liberty deniers”.
“They are also asking for databasing the buyer and the model and serial number of the guns they purchase.”
This will make it easier when they confiscate weapons that they deemed unsafe by some new law. And do you think that they will need a warrant? Suddenly you are breaking the law and have become a criminal.
By the same logic, millions of deaths from obesity could be prevented if only knives, forks and spoons were outlawed.
I think we should also have back ground checks to register to vote.
Gun control advocates demand individual background checks for private sales.
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