"If the Ukrainians were suicidal Nazis to the last man, woman and child, all yearning to kill all the Jews and Slavs in Ukraine to make way for Nordic settlement, it would still make sense to help them repel the Russians"
Nope. No sale. I had family die in Babi Yar. Never forget! I could not hold my nose and support Oleh Tyahnibok or Yarosh or others as long as they trace their political lineage to Stepan Bandera and Euro-Right (Fascist) movements.
If it turns out to be that the actual fighting in Ukraine its Putin vs. Right Sector, then may they love each other to death. A plague on both houses, if that is the case!
I do hope that pro-Western, pro-freedom, pro-Europe elements in Ukraine lead and win. But I fear that as things deteriorate, the only actual resistance will coalesce around the Fascists because the West-leaning liberals (classical liberals,
not liberals in the modern American sense!) are too soft and loathe direct action.
Its too early to tell anyway. The fog of war and all. I wish my childhood friend from Kiev well.
Nope. No sale. I had family die in Babi Yar. Never forget! I could not hold my nose and support Oleh Tyahnibok or Yarosh or others as long as they trace their political lineage to Stepan Bandera and Euro-Right (Fascist) movements. We are debating national, not parochial interests. From a strictly tribal standpoint, I understand where you're coming from. Ultimately, though a bigger Russia is a more dangerous Russia, and strategic threats from empire-builders predate Communism and Nazism by thousands of years and will undoubtedly be around thousands of years after nobody remembers either ideology.
Nope. No sale. I had family die in Babi Yar. Never forget! I could not hold my nose and support Oleh Tyahnibok or Yarosh or others as long as they trace their political lineage to Stepan Bandera and Euro-Right (Fascist) movements.The Ukrainian fringe probably hates Jews for similar reasons - a good many senior Bolsheviks were Jews. Trotsky, in particular, felt that the Soviets were being too soft in slaughtering opponents of the collectivization program. These Ukrainian fringe is presumably suggesting that Jews should be collectively punished for the deaths of 7m Ukrainians through the efforts of Jewish Bolsheviks during the Holodomor just as you are suggesting that Ukrainians as a whole should be punished by the Russians for the views of the Ukrainian fringe.