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To: BlueDragon

Nope, sorry. I point out the undeniable observation that Kerry, Obama, the MSM, McCain, the EU leaders, Hillary, Soros, etc are all on one side. I note that they are in almost constant harmony in their desire to spread radicalism and anti freedom values.

I ask if its more likely that they’ve all changed and are now on the side of good, or if they are selling us a bill of goods.

You can only respond that its slander. Use a real argument or it becomes clear you cannot refute mine.


48 posted on 03/02/2014 12:17:51 AM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: DesertRhino

Use real argument...to take apart the complicated situation, and show it's not so simple?

On another thread I provided links to background information pertaining to much of the "why" behind the protests on the Maidan. Here, start here. Try to digest it (go to the links concerning corruption in Ukraine).

Then perhaps you may see it's not so simple, and see that all these who you name as being the bad guys, may be on the right side of things...though regrettably it does appear more and more now, like things may blow up in the Ukraine. While you chose the Russian side, and have been going at it full tilt for days now...

Then in this other FR thread, Chechens ready to keep peace in Crimea - Kadyrov the titles article is sourced from Russia Beyond the Headlines where an additional link can be found there to Vox Pop: The fate of Ukraine. At that link, click on the video to play, and pay attention to what the the last woman (a Russian) says of Yanukovych, calling him evil, with his thumb (or was it hands or fingers?) in every pie. I found it heartening that it appears that some truth as to Yanukovych has apparently made it into the minds of Russians.

Corruption in Ukraine wiki page

That's more what the protests in the Maidan were about, than not. The people were sick of it. And guess who supported Yanukovych? He was the Kremlin's candidate...and sort-of talked a good game about wanting Ukraine to be able to deal with both East & West, but lined his and his own family and cronies pockets, with mobster-like racketeering corruption reaching into most levels of Ukraine society, getting worse as time went by (since his election).

One last link...YanukovychLeaks National Project--- perhaps they will be able to make enough of a case against Yanukovych and others to be able to demand his extradition.

Try to keep up, would you?

55 posted on 03/02/2014 12:47:22 AM PST by BlueDragon (Where there is no vision, the people perish: but he that keepeth the law, happy is he.Proverbs 29:18)
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