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To: RoadGumby
Why do you suppose Jesus didn't go to Caesar and say "Help the poor?" Could it have something to do with how long it takes to get from Jerusalem to Rome on a donkey? I think it might have. It is 2,500 miles. Of course, he could walk on water so I suppose he could have taken the short way...

But the fact remains, that if Jesus had been opposed to the government helping the poor, he'd have said so. Jesus had a tendency to be very clear about things he disapproved of (I can think of a few moneylenders with some stories to tell.) But oddly, he never said a word against helping the poor, be it by private funds or public.

As far as the right of the Fed to redistribute money, they have no right. I'm actually on your side. What I am saying is, Jesus really wasn't on your side. He wasn't an American conservative. That's why there are so many Christians out there who are liberals. Jesus pre-dates American politics.

You DO understand Jesus wasn't American, right?

45 posted on 03/02/2014 8:07:11 PM PST by A_perfect_lady
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To: A_perfect_lady
But the fact remains, that if Jesus had been opposed to the government helping the poor, he'd have said so. Jesus had a tendency to be very clear about things he disapproved of (I can think of a few moneylenders with some stories to tell.) But oddly, he never said a word against helping the poor, be it by private funds or public.

Fallacious Argument from silence

Cordially,

46 posted on 03/02/2014 8:51:38 PM PST by Diamond (He has erected a multitude of new offices, and sent hither swarms of officers to harass our people,)
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To: A_perfect_lady

You cannot show me a single thing recorded that Jesus spoke TO or about a government, beyond that when He comes it will rest upon Him.

Jesus would not have had to go to Rome, seems to me He had a chat with Pilate. No words there about this at all.

I guess the widows mites should have gone to Pilate so he could take his cut and disperse the rest.

To quote you, the fact remains that Jesus came as savior, not social worker. He came for us as individuals.

He never said anything against helping the poor? You are so correct. In fact he did say to help. He said that to YOU. Do you? Or is your conscience salved by the idea that govt does enough?

If you do not read the about Jesus as YOUR savior, and all He said directed to YOU, then, IMHO, you’ve missed the boat.

Your line of reasoning (he didn’t say that) is faulty and often used to allow unbiblical things.

Such as: Argument - Jesus never said homosexuality is bad.

Nope, can’t find the words that He did. Yet, Jesus is the Word, so it can be said that the Bible, being the Word, IS Jesus. And that Word tells me homosexuality is a sin.

So, context, context, context.

And finally, you say that Jesus wasn’t on my side. Apparently, His focus was not for YOU?

Lets take your reasoning a bit further. You are OK with allowing Govt to coopt or force YOUR function of giving (We are told to give). We are also told, individually, to live by the commandments. Should we then say, that Govt should coopt or force you to keep that Sabbath Holy? Should you be forced to have no God but the Lord?

Bottom line, living as the Lord would have you to, is a choice. An individual choice. Not a governmental/group choice.

And to answer your last (Funny how you have ‘chosen’ not to answer any of my questions) of course I realize Jesus wasn’t American. You do realize this country started by people coming here to be able to freely worship Him? And government was started, acknowledging Him? That being the case, WHERE in those governments was the Dept of Free Money?

The ‘burden’ of helping falls to Church, family, friends, charity. Government is a necessary evil to conduct a nation. It is not a charitable company.

A Christian who is Liberal (Progressive) needs to ‘examine his ways’. They have bought a lie. It sounds as though you have too. Liberalism destroys. It dehumanizes. It murders and steals. None of which are Godly characteristics.

Me, I’ll take the Jesus in the Bible that came for ME. That spoke to ME. That had commandments for ME. Who loved ME. It is amazing to me that He loved me enough to endure what He did, so that I would have a way back to the Father.


55 posted on 03/03/2014 5:07:46 AM PST by RoadGumby (This is not where I belong, Take this world and give me Jesus.)
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