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Most State College bars to go dry on State Patty's Day
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Posted on 03/03/2014 3:35:49 AM PST by Red in Blue PA

Students who arrive in State College on Saturday for the annual State Patty's Day drinking holiday will find the majority of downtown restaurants and taverns closed or dry, Penn State officials say.

Damon Sims, Penn State's vice president for student affairs, said 33 of 35 downtown State College establishments, including all taverns and bottle shops, have agreed to accept monetary compensation offered by the university for a moratorium of the sale of alcohol Saturday.

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What a horrible waste of money by the state!

Like the students will not simply celebrate on another day?

WTF?

1 posted on 03/03/2014 3:35:49 AM PST by Red in Blue PA
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To: Red in Blue PA

Or drive far and wide to get there booze and drive back drunk


2 posted on 03/03/2014 3:40:19 AM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Guess where I will not be on March 17?


3 posted on 03/03/2014 3:42:29 AM PST by Rodamala
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To: Red in Blue PA

Good. I am sure st Patrick would never want to be remembered by irreverent drunkenness on a scale of what goes on here.

In Dublin, and all over Ireland, st Patrick’s day is honored as any sets feast day, as a holy day

Anyone partying on that day should be able to give a quick biography of this great saint and leave the excuse for an expensive brawling college town party blitz to some other day or not at all

One has to wonder what expenses are allayed. Overtime police presence, sanitation? Medical?


4 posted on 03/03/2014 3:46:24 AM PST by stanne
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To: Red in Blue PA
This was bizarre to read! Closed fraternities, sororities, businesses, and what sounds like practically forced community service for students. Someone at Penn State really hates the Irish.
5 posted on 03/03/2014 3:51:43 AM PST by Codeflier (Bush, Clinton, Bush, Obama - 4 democrat presidents in a row and counting...)
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To: Codeflier

I’ve been to the NYC parade, as well as to the one in my home town more times than I care to count

I’ve been to college town ‘what is it we’re celebrating?’st Patrick’s day deals like this and they have nothing to do with being Irish. Maybe some time ago but no


6 posted on 03/03/2014 3:56:59 AM PST by stanne
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To: Red in Blue PA

Didn’t learn a thing from prohibition?


7 posted on 03/03/2014 3:58:01 AM PST by albie
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To: stanne

If you REALLY want to party observe St. Urho’s Day March 16th. Cabbage meatloaf, grasshopper cakes...you’ll be too wasted to do anything on St. Patrick’s Day!


8 posted on 03/03/2014 4:00:21 AM PST by prisoner6 (FREEDOM)
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To: Red in Blue PA

But,we’ll be open for business on May 5th!


9 posted on 03/03/2014 4:05:27 AM PST by Dr. Ursus
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To: Red in Blue PA
"State Patty's Day" ?

Sounds like a grievous insult to an actual historic figure. Or were they threatened with a lawsuit if they used the "religious" connotation?

10 posted on 03/03/2014 4:09:04 AM PST by Prospero (Si Deus trucido mihi, ego etiam fides Deus.)
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To: Red in Blue PA

It’s like a farm support program... for bars! Being paid not to operate.


11 posted on 03/03/2014 4:12:11 AM PST by Pearls Before Swine
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To: Dr. Ursus

And raising the mexican flag higher than old glory, higher than any proper Irish American would ever raise the Irish flag here in the states. But I don’t think that’s what this is about. This is about the takeover of a town by tens of thousands of drunken kids who don’t care about st article or probably even their heritage or the Irish

If you’ve never witnessed such a scene, you have to imagine. It is an all day deal and it is ugly. It’s not a celebration If it were, it would be just as huge if it fell on a Saturday or a Sunday But its not. It’s more about not going to class


12 posted on 03/03/2014 4:13:13 AM PST by stanne
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To: prisoner6

-——grasshopper cakes——??

We have no grass hoppers in March and thus can get none of their cakes. Guess it must be just cabbage and meatloaf

What is a grass hopper cake anyway?


13 posted on 03/03/2014 4:17:02 AM PST by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... History is a process, not an event)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Per Democrats, 30 is the new 21.

They don’t tolerate people under the age of 25 having any responsibility, save for voting. And many would like to lower the age of voting to 16.


14 posted on 03/03/2014 4:19:24 AM PST by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: Prospero

In Boston they’re fighting over the gays being in the parade with a banner. Nothing to do with St Patrick. Why don’t they get another day?

Grievous, like this takeover

Knowing st Patrick’s life story, having grown up in a school named for him, i can assure anyone he would not want any group of kids getting drunk at all, never mind all day, in his name or any other

The bar owners have taken advantage of these stupid kids and st Patrick long enough, I’m sure


15 posted on 03/03/2014 4:23:06 AM PST by stanne
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To: Red in Blue PA
Two establishments are moments away from extreme wealth.

THOSE are the ones to investigate.

OK Ralph ... you have an 800 square foot joint ... HOW do you intend to serve(ice) 20,000 kids ???

I don't give a shit, Fred ... when I'm done with this weekend, I'll build a new joint and retire.

16 posted on 03/03/2014 4:24:06 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true .. I have no proof .. but they're true.)
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To: bert

Legend has ir that St Urho drove the grasshoppers from Finland so on his day cakes shapped like grasshoppers are baked.

Just one of many websites...

http://www.sainturho.com/


17 posted on 03/03/2014 4:33:47 AM PST by prisoner6 (FREEDOM)
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To: stanne

Very good point.


18 posted on 03/03/2014 4:34:01 AM PST by Paulie (Buy local, bank local, exert your influence locally; the left will fold like a cheap suit.)
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To: prisoner6

19 posted on 03/03/2014 4:40:54 AM PST by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: P.O.E.

Dry-out day Ping.


20 posted on 03/03/2014 5:01:10 AM PST by carriage_hill (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history, when everybody stands around reloading.)
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To: Red in Blue PA

This makes sense to me. The problem is not one of people getting drunk, but of a lot of people getting drunk in a small area all at the same time.

Even the bars probably agreed with this, as while they would make a lot of money, fast, they also have a much greater chance for fights, vandalism, and related problems.


21 posted on 03/03/2014 5:10:47 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (WoT News: Rantburg.com)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

hehe

The bars in a lot of locales remove all the furniture and glassware, so partiers stand around drinking from plastic cups. But at least there’s Irish music (usually).


22 posted on 03/03/2014 5:14:56 AM PST by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: Red in Blue PA

WTF! If the Penn State administrators would be minding the business of education and not so much the influence of alcohol in the community on St. Patrick’s day, it would be better for all (parents, students, bar owners, etc.) to decide if and how they will celebrate, not the university. I can understand that it may be difficult for some to distinguish between an Irish partier and a rioter, but that’s what the LEOs (of which many are of Irish descent) and the courts are paid to sort out.

Also, if there’s too much money laying around, hand out some on Martin Luther King day, Cinco de Mayo, election day, or any other day you want to influence the social behavior of the sheeple. At least the Irish won’t think you are biased toward them.


23 posted on 03/03/2014 5:19:25 AM PST by Texicanus (Texas, it's a whole 'nother country.)
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To: prisoner6

What was the name of the saint who drove the polar bears out of Spain?


24 posted on 03/03/2014 5:21:09 AM PST by Second Amendment First
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To: Red in Blue PA
College students will NEVER figure out that they can buy alcohol the day before, and party to excess at private locations!! Mwah-hahahahaha!


25 posted on 03/03/2014 5:31:44 AM PST by Teacher317 (We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men)
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To: Second Amendment First
What was the name of the saint who drove the polar bears out of Spain?

I seem to have done a masterful job of driving all of the beautiful college-aged girls out of my love life over the past few decades. How should this new holiday go? ;)

26 posted on 03/03/2014 5:35:28 AM PST by Teacher317 (We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men)
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To: dfwgator

Look what I found in the foreground


27 posted on 03/03/2014 5:37:12 AM PST by representativerepublic (...loose lips, sink ships)
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To: knarf

Sounds like you’ve been to Spring Break on Padre Island in Texas. Next to that, St. Patrick’s day is a snooze. At least you can’t burn down the island.

Oh well, remember “build it and they will come”....


28 posted on 03/03/2014 5:38:22 AM PST by Texicanus (Texas, it's a whole 'nother country.)
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To: Red in Blue PA

St. Paddy’s Day?


29 posted on 03/03/2014 5:42:06 AM PST by Oratam
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To: representativerepublic
I did ...

What 'what' are ye' talkin' 'bout ?

30 posted on 03/03/2014 5:42:31 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true .. I have no proof .. but they're true.)
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To: Oratam
PATTY (as in Patrick) and it is the PATTY wagon, not Paddy wagon.

English ... who needs it .... why in America, they haven't spoken it in YEARS (Rex Harrison, "My Fair Lady")

31 posted on 03/03/2014 5:44:27 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true .. I have no proof .. but they're true.)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

The problem is not one of people getting drunk, but of a lot of people getting drunk in a small area all at the same time.
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Being a former practicing drunk, ‘we’ had a rule that the two days one didn’t ‘hit the old watering hole’ were St Patricks and New Years Eve.

Bad enough putting up with other drunks the other 363 (or 4) days/nights but “AMATEUR NIGHT” was just that.

Bunch of rookie drunk ‘wannabees’ clogging the bars and highways.


32 posted on 03/03/2014 5:44:31 AM PST by xrmusn (6/98 --In CNNs (feeble) mind, EVERYONE that doesnt ask for more Kool-Aid is bullying BO)
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To: Red in Blue PA; Vaquero; stanne
Damon Sims, Penn State's vice president for student affairs, said 33 of 35 downtown State College establishments, including all taverns and bottle shops, have agreed to accept monetary compensation offered by the university for a moratorium of the sale of alcohol Saturday.

What is a “bottle shop”? I live in central PA and have never heard that term before. Here in PA, the sale of liquor and wine are exclusively through the Commonwealth of PA owned Fine Wine & Good Spirits stores. Beer for the most part is only sold by “distributors” and can only be sold by the case.

ETA; a quick Google search indicates that “Bottle Shops” are places that are either beer distributors or establishments that can sell six packs, mostly carry out restaurants and a few grocery stores like Wegmans and wine sold by shops owned by wineries.

FWIW however, there are 4 Fine Wine & Good Spirits stores listed in State College. Are they going to be closed on that Saturday also?

http://www.finewineandgoodspirits.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/FindStoreView?storeId=10051&langId=-1&catalogId=10051&pageNum=1&listSize=15&latitude=null&longitude=null&category=&city=State+College&zip_code=&county=All+Stores&storeNO=

No. The Fine Wine and Good Spirits stores across PA and in State College will be open that Saturday and on St. Patrick’s Day on Monday. They are mostly closed on Sundays, a few are open on Sunday with limited hours but they are all closed on Federal Holidays because of their union contract and designation as Commonwealth employees. And if you have had the displeasure of patronizing a Fine Wine and Good Spirits store, imagine a all the charm and dedication to customer service that you get from Penn Dot when getting your license or plates renewed along with a store that is both overpriced, under stocked and understaffed, especially before a holiday.

That means the university will have paid as much as $343,000 in the last two years to dissuade downtown tavern and restaurant owners from serving alcohol during the student-created holiday.

First of all, spending that amount of money to pay tavern and restaurant owners to close on that one day a year is ridiculous. I bet that there are many academic departments at Penn State that would love to share in part of those funds, say for new lab equipment, scholarships for deserving students, funding for some alcohol free alternative events, etc.

And the “student created holiday”? If by student created they mean going out and partying on Saturday March 15th for St. Patrick’s Day instead of on Monday March 17th, I don’t think that is exclusive to Penn State or to college students in general.

Or drive far and wide to get there booze and drive back drunk

Exactly. So rather than partying on Saturday or driving out of Happy Valley, they will instead go out on Monday, on the 17th and then skip classes on Tuesday.

Knowing st Patrick’s life story, having grown up in a school named for him, i can assure anyone he would not want any group of kids getting drunk at all, never mind all day, in his name or any other. The bar owners have taken advantage of these stupid kids and st Patrick long enough, I’m sure

Yep, we should absolutely spend state tax money to pay and dissuade business owners from selling a completely legal product to those who are of a legal age to buy it all because you don’t think a 5th-century Romano-British Christian missionary would approve. /s

BTW from what I understand, one of the biggest party nights for college students is the night before Thanksgiving. They go home and hook up with friends and party on the Wednesday night before Thanksgiving. Of course Thanksgiving is not a drinking holiday per se, but a lot of college kids will do what college kids are prone to do, with or without the Nanny State trying to dissuade them and spending out tax dollars to do so.

33 posted on 03/03/2014 5:46:17 AM PST by MD Expat in PA
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To: knarf

Patrick comes from the Irish name Paedrick. Thus, Paddy. Paddy is used as a nickname for Patrick. My father’s side was full blown Irish and Uncle Paddy admonishes you on the use of Patty and Patty wagon... which he was an occasional rider in his youth. :)


34 posted on 03/03/2014 5:49:40 AM PST by momtothree
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To: MD Expat in PA

I would think Penn State needs all the spare cash to pay the lawsuits from the Jerry Sandusky bone smuggling ring.


35 posted on 03/03/2014 5:49:53 AM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: MD Expat in PA

There are 45,000 undergraduate students at penn state

Whatever your points are, and honoring St Patrick with 3/4 of this population being drunk all day is just not a good argument, I can imagine that collecting $300,000 or $400,000 from weary local community members to turn off the supply would be pretty easy and to my estimation more effective in honoring him, since that’s what we’re talking about. And if it isn’t. The kids can just pick another day, no?


36 posted on 03/03/2014 5:56:27 AM PST by stanne
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To: Red in Blue PA

“Students who arrive in State College on Saturday”

Arrive? I’m thinking most of them are already there ... or do they just come in for the parties these days?


37 posted on 03/03/2014 6:00:58 AM PST by siunevada (If we learn nothing from history, what's the point of having one? - Peggy Hill)
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To: Texicanus

I’m Irish American. I can assure you that celebrating Irish heritage and oir beloved St Patrick by taking advantage of students who want a day off to get drunk, and who likely don’t care about Ireland Irish heritage or know the first thing about st Patrick, brings scandal and shame on the Irish

And it is unlikely that any cop working there in the middle of 30,000 drunk kids is supportive of the situation Irish or not


38 posted on 03/03/2014 6:02:31 AM PST by stanne
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To: siunevada

I’d bet a million that most Wisconsin bars will be open.


39 posted on 03/03/2014 6:03:15 AM PST by DaveA37
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To: momtothree
Begor'den!

THANK yeh'

40 posted on 03/03/2014 6:13:03 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true .. I have no proof .. but they're true.)
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To: Progov

U Wisconsin Madison undergrad population 29,000

Penn state undergrad pop. 45,000

Proximity to other colleges and cities from where kids travel to party- larger than any school in Wisconsin


41 posted on 03/03/2014 6:13:30 AM PST by stanne
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42 posted on 03/03/2014 6:13:47 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
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To: knarf

The dude in front with the Gators baseball cap on. That was for dfwgator.


43 posted on 03/03/2014 6:15:54 AM PST by representativerepublic (...loose lips, sink ships)
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To: stanne

I do not modify my heritage by putting another nationality in front of my American nationality,

that being said, I have 1 grandparent of Irish extraction. I lived in a Bronx, NY neighborhood that was about half people of Irish extraction.

did they drink on St Paddys day???? You bet your sweet bippy they did.....

and it was not just college age kids, it was all the typical alcoholics of Irish extraction including my family members.

like many European nationalities there is a lot of drinking. English, Scotts, Germans and the rest are well represented in the blue collar bars......and on St Patrick day there is lots of corned beef(not an Irish invention...in fact Jewish) and cabbage and green beer in the barf staining many a toilet


44 posted on 03/03/2014 6:16:56 AM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Red in Blue PA
Fascist governments implement fascist economies by exerting strong directive influence over all aspects of manufacture and commerce, thereby controlling the production and allocation of resources.
45 posted on 03/03/2014 6:37:42 AM PST by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th (and 17th))
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To: Vaquero
I would think Penn State needs all the spare cash to pay the lawsuits from the Jerry Sandusky bone smuggling ring.

“Pennsylvania State University's board of trustees has authorized payment of roughly $60 million to settle about two dozen personal-injury claims by men who say they were sexually abused by former assistant football coach Jerry Sandusky, according to people familiar with the matter.”

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424127887324263404578612244100607524

I guess that 300k is a mere drop in the bucket compared to 60 million. But IMO the 300k to pay taverns to stay closed is a complete waste of money that could be better spent on more important things.

I’m not advocating for massive public drunkenness by college kids on St. Patrick’ Day or at any other time of the year (Cinco de Mayo, New Years Eve, the week after final exams, the week leading up to graduation, pledge week, homecoming, celebrating a football or basketball champion ship, etc.), considering all the problems it causes, but in reality paying establishments to close on this one day a year isn’t going to do anything to cure the problem of alcohol abuse among some college students. If they want to get drunk out of their minds, this isn’t going to stop them. And I think it sends absolutely the wrong message to the young adults, those who are 21 years old and over who might just want to responsibly go out and have a beer or two with some friends - it tells them that they aren’t really responsible for their own actions, rather it is the legal establishments who are at fault if they get out of hand.

FWIW, back in the late ‘80’s I went to a Penn State football game with my husband and his good friend from work who was a Penn State graduate who got us tickets for a Penn State – Notre Dame game. I was amazed by the tailgating and partying by the adult Penn State alumni, a lot of them big time donors and boosters and many of them the parents of students. My husband’s friend took us around the parking lot and not only were we treated to some really great food, we were also given all sorts of alcohol at every stop; mimosas, bloody Mary’s, hot toddies, spiked cider, mulled wine, beer, shots; if I had even partaken in a ¼ of what I was offered that morning, at 10:00 AM, I would have been too drunk to walk from the parking lot to our seats at the stadium. Of course my husband and I didn’t imbibe to that sort of extreme but we did see more than our share of very drunken adults. If Penn State wants to really take a stand about public drunkenness, they might want to do something about the tailgating at football games. But of course, they won’t. There is too much of an income stream coming in to do that.

46 posted on 03/03/2014 6:44:14 AM PST by MD Expat in PA
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To: Red in Blue PA

I wonder if they check ID’s?


47 posted on 03/03/2014 6:47:14 AM PST by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: Texicanus

Ped State.

Screw ‘em.


48 posted on 03/03/2014 6:58:12 AM PST by onedoug
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To: Red in Blue PA

*sponsored by the Altoona Tavern Owners Assocation


49 posted on 03/03/2014 7:04:11 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Vaquero

Well that was lovely.

Irish extraction?

I can’t keep up with obama’s rules. I certainly won’t try yours.

You didnt read what I was responding to which necessitated my heritage. I guess you wanted me to say Irish extraction not sure why I would have to go by your rules. So maybe you could go tell someone else what to do and tell your Irish alcoholic stories to someone else more interested than I am. Which is not at all if you think ominous denial about Irish and drinking that’s not your business nor is it your job to talk about vomiting

I am not Irish, I am American


50 posted on 03/03/2014 7:33:04 AM PST by stanne
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