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To: Pining_4_TX
only to see their sponsored proxy dissidents give way to a claque of armed neo-Nazis, whose first official act was to outlaw the use of the Russian language in a country with millions of long-established Russian-speakers.

Nothing of the sort. The new government repealed the 2012 law and returned the country to how it functioned for the previous 20 years. During that time, Russian language newspapers, TV channels, websites, books, and so on existed freely, forming more than half of all media. Nobody was forcing Ukrainian on them. The only thing the law asked was that government official business was to be done in Ukrainian.

You can tell the pro-Kremlin agenda of the article from the label "neo-nazi". Read with caution

17 posted on 03/03/2014 4:22:52 PM PST by Ivan Mazepa
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To: Ivan Mazepa

Agreed. Also... has the Ukrainian Parliament actually changed members (and party affiliations) to any significant degree? Have the real powers in the Ukraine, the industrial and financial oligarchs who pull the strings, suddenly become a “claque of armed Neo-Nazis”?

(I know, those are mostly rhetorical questions.)


19 posted on 03/03/2014 4:52:05 PM PST by Paul R. (Leftists desire to control everything; In the end they invariably control nothing worth a damn.)
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Long long ago, in a thread far, far away (ok, in a thread a few days ago that I’ve lost track of), someone was suggesting that the EU / Ukraine “association” deal would benefit Saudi Arabia greatly, which would lead to increased funding of terrorism. Now, the Saudis (and Iran and Qatar) DO have huge gas reserves, so I assume the poster was talking about some sort of immense pipeline project to follow up the deal, which would then give Europe an alternative to Russian gas.

It goes without saying that if the pipeline network could also tie into the Ukraine’s pipelines, then Russia’s stranglehold on the Ukraine would also be broken.

However: For one thing, to wean Europe off the Russian gas “teat”, this would literally be the “Mother of all pipeline projects”, with huge security concerns to follow. For another, it appears the Saudis will be doing well in the next 10 years to simply supply their own internal consumption of natural gas.

http://www.eia.gov/countries/cab.cfm?fips=SA

Put simply, it’s hard for me to see how the Ukraine leaning toward the EU benefits radical Muslims anytime soon, if ever.

On the other hand, and I’m no expert, it DOES seem to me that for the Ukraine to depend on the EU for financial “support” is sort of a “lesser of the evils”, and not by a whole lot.

After reading the Wikipedia article* on the Ukraine’s economy (probably flawed info., but not a bad introduction overall?) I see a country with tremendous potential, but badly encumbered by corruption and the oligarch system. The Ukraine does not need the EU “association” for economic success, it needs to take an independent course, (somehow) enact and enforce very harsh penalties for corruption, enact more (internal) free market reforms, and “let ‘er rip.”

Last, I would note that the Ukraine has everything it needs to arm and defend itself, given a little time and a lot of will.

Am I wrong in any of this?

*BTW, the Wikipedia article should be required reading for anyone commenting in these threads. It’s really quite fascinating.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Ukraine


21 posted on 03/03/2014 7:04:46 PM PST by Paul R. (Leftists desire to control everything; In the end they invariably control nothing worth a damn.)
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