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To: annalex
Wrong again...its a recorded phone conversation posted on You-tube between the Estonian FM and EU high priestess Catherine Ashton, the contents of which have been confirmed.

Anyone with a pair of ears can listen to it and draw their own conclusions.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEgJ0oo3OA8

57 posted on 03/05/2014 7:45:18 PM PST by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: mac_truck

Interesting post from a European......

.....”I’m in central Europe and I can tell you that people feel more threatened by the disorder in Kiev, the inclusion of anti-democrats in the new Ukrainian ‘government’, and by Svoboda’s commitment to a nuclear-armed Ukraine than by the return of Russian ‘single-mindedness”....

Few realize the current Ukraine Government has Nuclear ambitions big time!


59 posted on 03/05/2014 9:50:13 PM PST by caww
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To: mac_truck; caww
That there were some people shooting also at the Berkut is completely understandable, as one can do only so much with rocks and gasoline against a trained military unit.

That the Ukrainian government needs to investigate who shot at whom and who paid for what is also beyond dispute.

The supposed evidence that the same sniper or group of snipers shot at both -- which would indeed be bizarre, -- comes from what an Olga Bogomolets told the Estonian Premier, who told Ashton, about the type of bullets used. Even if we trust the honesty and the motivation of all this chain of disclosures and alleged hacks, it boils down to the type of bullet. It is not the evidence the RF pumps it up to be. Ashton's reaction is, naturally, surprise, -- it does not point to her prior knowledge of the allegation.

Further, think. How would shooting at both side benefit the rebels? They used firearms openly on the Berkut, -- it's not like they pretend they never shot back. The Berkut used firearms clandestinely at first, but in the end we have enough video and forensic evidence of Berkut shooting live ammunition. That Yanukovich thugs at some point might want a "proof" that someone shot at them, I understand, but I don't see what was there for the rebels to gain beyond the video and ballistic evidence already available.

Here is the damning part of the transcript according to the putinista source:

Paet: "And still, people are seriously concerned about the fact that the new coalition is unwilling to investigate what really occurred there . The understanding of the fact that somebody from the new coalition, not Yanukovych, was behind those snipers is becoming more and more strengthened with every passing day."

Ashton: “I think we do want to investigate. I mean, I didn’t pick that up, that’s interesting. Gosh,”

[...]

Paet: “And second, what was quite disturbing, this same Olga Bogomolets told as well that all the evidence shows that the people who were killed by snipers from both sides, among policemen and then people from the streets, that they were the same snipers killing people from both sides.” He also added: “She also showed me some photos and said that as a medical doctor she can say that, the same type of bullets were used on both police and protestors.”

Ashton: “Well, yeah…that’s, that’s terrible.”

Voice of Russia

There is nothing here of substance.

Let us now compare this episode with Putin setting up occupation of Crimea and surprise war game, removing all insignia from his troops (making them instantly illegal combatants not protected by laws of war), and then lying with a smirk how none of that really happened. You want liars, -- here's one, go, catch.

61 posted on 03/06/2014 5:56:48 AM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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