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Tune out the war party!
WND ^ | March 3, 2014 | Pat Buchanan

Posted on 03/03/2014 7:32:33 PM PST by Colonel Kangaroo

With Vladimir Putin’s dispatch of Russian troops into Crimea, our war hawks are breathing fire. Russophobia is rampant and the op-ed pages are ablaze here.

Barack Obama should tune them out and reflect on how Cold War presidents dealt with far graver clashes with Moscow.

When Red Army tank divisions crushed the Hungarian freedom fighters in 1956, killing 50,000, Eisenhower did not lift a finger. When Khrushchev built the Berlin Wall, JFK went to Berlin and gave a speech.

When Warsaw Pact troops crushed the Prague Spring in 1968, LBJ did nothing. When, Moscow ordered Gen. Wojciech Jaruzelski to smash Solidarity, Ronald Reagan refused to put Warsaw in default.

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TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Russia
KEYWORDS: barack0bama; coldwar; fakeconservatives; isolationism; khrushchev; paleocons; paleoconservatism; paleoconservatives; paleopukes; patbuchanan; pjb; readarticle; reagan; redarmytanks; ukraine; vladimirputin; wars
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Buchanan speaks against those who think American soldiers dying any chance possible makes our nation stronger.

Too bad the current war hawks don't take the lesson of Reagan's restraint to heart.

1 posted on 03/03/2014 7:32:33 PM PST by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

It’s like this Ukraine situation is an ensemble play and here comes Pat to play the cantankerous paleo. When will Ron Paul weigh in? Or has he already?


2 posted on 03/03/2014 7:50:31 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2M for Sarah Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

Hey Pat!

If Ike had taken action in 1956 many of those subsequent aggressions WOULD NOT HAVE OCCURRED!!


3 posted on 03/03/2014 7:51:30 PM PST by G Larry (Did You Like That Better?)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
Russophobia is rampant and the op-ed pages are ablaze here.

Really? I'm afraid I can't recall any particular calls for U.S. military intervention in any of my usual sources. I'd oppose them myself out of an appreciation for what is militarily feasible in the situation, but I'd need a little help finding them. Thanks in advance.

4 posted on 03/03/2014 7:55:40 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

I stand with Putin on this. The only thing I ask of him is that a referendum is held to “ratify” his taking of Crimea.


5 posted on 03/03/2014 7:56:05 PM PST by impimp
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

We always ask what Reagan would do. Here Buchanan shows Reagan’s history demonstrates calmness and restraint. Too bad too many of our TV talking heads, think tank mouths and grandstanding politicians are demonstrating the restraint of silly hysterical adolescents.


6 posted on 03/03/2014 7:57:22 PM PST by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: Billthedrill

Anyone who is advocating that the United States intervene militarily is disconnected from reality.


7 posted on 03/03/2014 7:59:11 PM PST by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

Most of them have no idea how to act in serious situations. I, sadly, have more “foreign policy” experience than the whole line-up at MSNBC, for instance. LOL


8 posted on 03/03/2014 7:59:32 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2M for Sarah Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: Billthedrill

All I know with any confidence is that, given an opportunity, Øbozo is certain to muck it up.


9 posted on 03/03/2014 8:03:03 PM PST by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: Enterprise

I don’t trust the international meddlers, Obama and Kerry, not blundering us into war while being cheered on by the war hawks on both sides of the political aisle.


10 posted on 03/03/2014 8:03:53 PM PST by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Better the paleoconservative keeping us out of Ukraine than the humiliated neoconservative trying to explain away our mistakes in Iraq and Afghanistan, not to mention Egypt, Tunisia and Syria.


11 posted on 03/03/2014 8:06:17 PM PST by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

Bookmark


12 posted on 03/03/2014 8:07:42 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: impimp

He certainly won’t listen to that suggestion.


13 posted on 03/03/2014 8:08:30 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: nathanbedford

What paleoconservative?


14 posted on 03/03/2014 8:08:51 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: G Larry
Absolutely correct.

Never mind how Truman made the error of firing MacArthur after Red China attacked us in North Korea and he moved to counterattack. That was a real show of weakness there.
15 posted on 03/03/2014 8:10:20 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

This is pretty much on the money. We do not have a stake here. We do not have a side. If the EU wants to pony up and go battle the Bear, they have my blessing, but we need to stay out of it.


16 posted on 03/03/2014 8:14:17 PM PST by Ronin (Dumb, dependent and Democrat is no way to go through life - Rep. L. Gohmert, Tex)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

Anyone thinking we should go anywhere into the Ukraine militarily is either stands to make money off it or has zero intention of ever serving in that effort.


17 posted on 03/03/2014 8:15:49 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

I may disagree with Pat Buchanan on a few issues, but this isn’t one of them.

I’m not particularly happy about a Russian gangster demonstrating to the rest of the world that he can bugger eastern European countries while the west watches on and wags fingers over Russia’s attitude towards gays. But, that doesn’t mean we have a lot of options left open to us at this point in the game.

We have an economically and militarily impotent EU continuing to be militarily and economically impotent with no signs of changing prior to sweeping Islamic revolution from their quickly expanding and rapidly radicalizing immigrant populations. We have an effeminate and ineffectual nitwit in the oval office that is busy trying to drive a stake through the heart of the American dream. Of course Russia is going to run rough-shod over the world stage, they’d be stupid not to.

Maybe Mr. Obama can threaten to write a sternly worded letter? Maybe we can have a few more transvestite news reporters bitch about how mean Russia is? Sadly those responses would be more rational than throwing blood on the fire, and far more likely than the west engaging in realpolitik and taking serious steps to preserve the economic and military interests of western nations.


18 posted on 03/03/2014 8:16:45 PM PST by jameslalor
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
Pat's got it right here.

EVERYONE in DC needs to step back and twice consider every word before speaking.

I saw a quote from Condelezza Rice concerning the WH deliberations in 2008 over the Georgian affair.

Essentially, and this is not a quote, she said nobody was willing to put boots on the ground or shoot at the Russians. So, Bush ordered everyone to STFU.

Problem is, Obama was POTUS in a few months and he took no action to begin to pressure the Russians.

Energy Independence at home...with a surplus which drives down prices...is the BEST weapon against Russia. And, it's a program that should have started 5 years ago, at least.

19 posted on 03/03/2014 8:17:37 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Billthedrill
"I'm afraid I can't recall any particular calls for U.S. military intervention in any of my usual sources"

Bill

Dimwit Kerry on one of the Sunday programs this week said all options are on the table "including the military option".

20 posted on 03/03/2014 8:20:49 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Olog-hai
Pat Buchanan.


21 posted on 03/03/2014 8:22:26 PM PST by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: nathanbedford
"Better the paleoconservative keeping us out of Ukraine than the humiliated neoconservative trying to explain away our mistakes in Iraq and Afghanistan, not to mention Egypt, Tunisia and Syria."

Thank you Nathan for your sound reasoning.

22 posted on 03/03/2014 8:22:43 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: dragnet2

The people in public life who are most vocal about sending American soldiers to die usually never served in the military and those most willing to shame their fellow Americans for not fulfilling their limitless “international responsibilities” generally have never seen fit to take up their share by volunteering themselves for overseas service.


23 posted on 03/03/2014 8:24:28 PM PST by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

Yeah, I’ve noticed that.

You bet.


24 posted on 03/03/2014 8:25:34 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
" generally have never seen fit to take up their share by volunteering themselves for overseas service."

Generally true.

Another note: Why has nobody asked how the US would get 140,000 men home from Afghanistan if we have a war with Russia, even if it didn't go nuclear?

Another 40-50,000 NATO troops...along with more than 1/2 of their equipment.

All European countries transported their equipment there via Russian contract on Russian trains.

The Europeans have made their bed. They must now sleep in it.

25 posted on 03/03/2014 8:30:05 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: nathanbedford

Thought he was a paleimitationofaconservative, myself. Or was that a palecaricatureofaconservative? I don’t usually identify antisemites who would deign to work for MSDNC as related to US conservatism, myself.


26 posted on 03/03/2014 8:30:11 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Mariner

The world becomes a lot safer with every drop of domestic and North American oil. The tree huggers who are trying to block the pipeline are the unwitting agents of the Saudis and the god of war.


27 posted on 03/03/2014 8:30:41 PM PST by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: Olog-hai
"Thought he was a paleimitationofaconservative, myself. Or was that a palecaricatureofaconservative? I don’t usually identify antisemites who would deign to work for MSDNC as related to US conservatism, myself."

Yep, make a big show of attacking the man and completely avoid discussing the idea.

How about contending with with the article or subsequent commentary rather than going after the author or those who agree with what was written?

28 posted on 03/03/2014 8:33:10 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Olog-hai
Are we speaking code here about Pat's alleged anti-Semitism?


29 posted on 03/03/2014 8:34:17 PM PST by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

Now wouldn’t that be rich in black irony? Kerry advocating military action against Russia? You mean the Russia that provided military aid to North Vietnam? The war that Kerry protested because the U.S. was on the side of the South? THAT Russia? Gadzooks - WWJFD (What would Jane Fonda do?)


30 posted on 03/03/2014 8:37:57 PM PST by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: Mariner

Multi-paragraph nonsequiturs are somewhat difficult to contend with, especially when they are written by former MSNBC staff. It’s like trying to take someone like Paul Krugman seriously.

As far as our mistakes during the Cold War, committing them already made the US odious on the world stage, so repeating them will make us a real pariah if not outright laughingstock. Putin could be knocked back on his heels if we wanted him there, but instead we have the “transmissible” president who is “flexible” in Putin’s hands. The USSR is being put back together by Putin right now, and the “leaders” in DC are letting him do it, just like weak leaders before Reagan let the USSR and Red China run roughshod over 100 million corpses. Very bleak situation, especially if we do not turn to God right away.


31 posted on 03/03/2014 8:39:37 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Mariner
I don't think that anyone is seriously speaking of a military intervention.

I think that what is being discussed is a harder line with Putin. (even if it risks another cold war)

Bush did it, although it got little press coverage we did send ships and a few troops to the area and we did begin training of the Georgian’s. And we delivered aid in Military aircraft. It was a message and it was seen and listened to and as a result he pulled back a bit....not all the way but he stopped.

I think that is all we could hope for without getting too deep in the weeds.

But all we see out of Obama is baloney....lot’s of it..

32 posted on 03/03/2014 8:40:03 PM PST by Cold Heat (Have you reached your breaking point yet? If not now....then when?)
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To: nathanbedford

I thought I was speaking relatively openly, and they are not allegations.


33 posted on 03/03/2014 8:41:12 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Mariner
I missed that Kerry even breathed that, so thanks for updating me. I'm afraid I can't take Kerry seriously in the matter. Putin certainly isn't.

For the record, I cannot see a strategic objective for the U.S. in the matter. Russia has one, several, in fact, but one in particular: control of the Crimean peninsula and the force projection capabilities it confers in the Black Sea and from there to the Mediterranean. Putin will kill for that. We won't kill to stop it. End of story.

On a side note, it is with some dismay at the nuances of seniority within the U.S. Senate that gives an ignoramus such as Kerry the post of Chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee. The political corruption that led him to from there to Secretary of State is regrettable but understandable, although I bitterly regret stating that 0bama could not possibly find a worse Secretary of State then Hillary Clinton, and yes, by God he did just that. You know all this, I don't know why I'm bothering you. Venting, maybe.

34 posted on 03/03/2014 8:45:58 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: Olog-hai
I just wanted to understand what language we were speaking because when the subject of Pat Buchanan comes up his "alleged" anti-Semitism is always the elephant in the room.

My reaction is that the ad hominem is not of much use in determining anything besides motive, that is, he can be an absolute Nazi but he could still be right-or he could be all wrong and be as innocent as Mother Teresa.


35 posted on 03/03/2014 8:46:55 PM PST by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

For the record, the trade statistics between the United States and Russia, for those keeping score:

http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c4621.html

2013

TOTAL 2013

Exports from US to Russia: $11,164,000,000

Imports to US from Russia: $26,961,500,000

Net Trade Balance: $-15,797,500,000

Boeing (a key US defense contractor) by their own admission:

“The Boeing Company has maintained a cooperative relationship with Russia and the Commonwealth of Independent States (CIS) since the era of the former Soviet Union. In the 1970s, Boeing was a part of the historic U.S.-Soviet space mission, Apollo-Soyuz, when spacecraft from both countries docked in orbit.”

To find the complete PDF online on Boeing’s website, just google:

boeing russia backgrounder

Why would a key defense contractor engage in such high-tech trade with a supposed “enemy” nation ? Obviously to the people making the real decisions, Russia is a trading partner, not an enemy.

IMHO, it makes no sense at all to bang war drums, given that it looks like globalist bankers/traders are running pretty much everything as they please while keeping the fact well-hidden (in plain sight) from the public.


36 posted on 03/03/2014 8:47:16 PM PST by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo; Windflier; KC_Lion
We always ask what Reagan would do.

And the next logical step is to find out what the 21st Century Reagan would do. And there's an answer for that at hand. Governor Sarah Palin's strategy on this matter is the one that ought to be guiding America.

37 posted on 03/03/2014 8:48:50 PM PST by re_nortex (DP - that's what I like about Texas)
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To: re_nortex; Colonel Kangaroo; Windflier
Right On Re_Nortex!

Lets get some of those "Petro-Dollars" for ourselves.

38 posted on 03/03/2014 8:51:05 PM PST by KC_Lion (Build the America you want to live in at your address, and keep looking up.- Sarah Palin)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
When Red Army tank divisions crushed the Hungarian freedom fighters in 1956, killing 50,000, Eisenhower did not lift a finger. When Khrushchev built the Berlin Wall, JFK went to Berlin and gave a speech.

Ike came under harsh criticism from conservatives for doing nothing about Hungary, and conservatives were virtually unanimous in condemning JFK for doing nothing about the Berlin Wall. It's amazing to see conservatives today citing these cases as examples as to how we should conduct foreign policy.

39 posted on 03/03/2014 8:53:10 PM PST by Fiji Hill
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To: nathanbedford
I try to keep from slipping into argumentum ad hominem even when it comes to people like Michael Weiner. Notwithstanding, Mr. Pat B. does give enough fuel to the notion himself.
40 posted on 03/03/2014 8:53:27 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: KC_Lion

41 posted on 03/03/2014 8:54:16 PM PST by re_nortex (DP - that's what I like about Texas)
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To: Olog-hai
I just read your original post and see that I misunderstood you. Sorry. You were perfectly clear in your statement.

One wonders if Pat Buchanan and Richard Nixon did not share a wee bit of anti-Semitism? One would think so by Nixon's recorded remarks, yet he did send support to Israel at the existential moment.

Whatever Buchanan's other failings, he has been right on a lot of things and it is a pity that we did not heed him on those other things over the past decades.


42 posted on 03/03/2014 9:00:59 PM PST by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: nathanbedford

True!


43 posted on 03/03/2014 9:44:13 PM PST by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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To: Mariner
Question is, did anybody actually believe that Vladimir Putin was going to just sit there and watch George Soros, Monsanto, and the US state department just walk off with the Ukraine? Has five years of Bork Obunga really dumbed anybody down that much???

The official title of the tsars was 'Tsar of all the Russias', meaning 'Great Russia' (Russia), 'White Russia' (Belorus), and 'Little Russia' (Ukraine). You're talking about something like letting some Russian company just walk off with Guam or Puerto Rico.

44 posted on 03/03/2014 11:28:00 PM PST by varmintman
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To: Olog-hai

Thank you for that little bit of help in understanding things, Bibi. Maybe you can help us understand our moral duty in policing the world when Likud finishes handing us our orders. I never knew you had an account here, but it is comforting to consider it.


45 posted on 03/04/2014 12:07:54 AM PST by AK_47_7.62x39 (There are many moderate Muslims, but there is no such thing as a moderate Islam. -- Geert Wilders)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

Not that I’m a pacifist but one should remember that we entered World War I with Woodrow Wilson (Progressive Movement), World War II with FDR, the Korean War with Truman, the Vietnam War with John Kennedy/Lyndon Johnson, and Afghanistan with Bill Clinton.

Remember this next time people start talking about all the war mongers.


46 posted on 03/04/2014 2:54:44 AM PST by HarleyD ("... letters are weighty, but his .. presence is weak, and his speech of no account.")
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
So, to all the warhawks on here, what exactly is Ukraine's strategic value to the U.S.? And what would you have our country do, actually attack Russia? With our severely weakened and degraded military?

We're not dealing with Iraq or North Korea here, but the big bear itself, and in case no one has noticed, we're outgunned right now in the worst possible way.

Food for serious thought.

47 posted on 03/04/2014 3:13:30 AM PST by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: Enterprise

Well, I’ve sure seen a lot of chest beating around here on FR over the past week.


48 posted on 03/04/2014 3:15:18 AM PST by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: Timber Rattler

Perhaps for threads like this we should define a few terms for us unenlightened: conservative, paleoconservative, neoconservative. Not who, but what are you talking about? Or maybe who after you define what. Throw in a when and how and wherefore while you’re at it. We just need to be sure the “name-calling” is justified.


49 posted on 03/04/2014 4:21:09 AM PST by tenger (It's a good thing we don't get all the government we pay for. -Will Rogers)
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To: Olog-hai

They just did comply with my demand for a referendum (March 30).
I respect what Putin did here to protect Crimea.

On this issue I stand with Putin and I reject Ted Cruz who made ignorant comments on this matter.


50 posted on 03/04/2014 5:51:54 AM PST by impimp
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