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A Note to ‘Fiscal Conservatives’: If you want smaller gov't, the religious right is your ally
National Review ^ | 03/04/2014 | Dennis Prager

Posted on 03/04/2014 8:10:10 AM PST by SeekAndFind

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To: ansel12; A CA Guy

61 posted on 03/04/2014 11:14:51 AM PST by Albion Wilde (The less a man knows, the more certain he is that he knows it all.)
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To: A CA Guy
That is YOUR experience. I think the dynamics of our society diseased by the teacher’s union has been changing.

It isn't my experience, it is the facts on voting. Evangelicals vote almost 80% republican.

The biggest indicator of how groups vote, is the level of their religiosity.

If they are non-religious then the great majority of those will vote democrat, if they are ANTI-religion, then they are the left's version of Evangelicals, a very dependable voting block.

62 posted on 03/04/2014 11:14:59 AM PST by ansel12 (Ben Bradlee -- JFK told me that "he was all for people's solving their problems by abortion".)
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To: PapaBear3625; Albion Wilde
Amen, Brother FReeper. Government is a force, and government has NOURISHED and ENABLED the moral malaise that we see today, precisely because government has presumed to usurp one of religion's most important roles: Charity.

Al, it is certainly true that for people to thrive in limited-government liberty, they must basically subscribe to the Judeo Christian ethic. But here's another EQUALLY CERTAIN TRUTH: The Judeo-Christian ethic REQUIRES limited government in order to thrive.

63 posted on 03/04/2014 11:15:29 AM PST by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: Admin Moderator

Will do. Thanks for the heads-up.


64 posted on 03/04/2014 11:16:41 AM PST by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: PapaBear3625
RTW is not something that is a SoCon "hot button"

Yes it is, who do you think has blocked unionism in America, the social liberal states or the social conservative states?

You really are looking through a pin hole and ignoring reality.

65 posted on 03/04/2014 11:19:04 AM PST by ansel12 (Ben Bradlee -- JFK told me that "he was all for people's solving their problems by abortion".)
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To: PapaBear3625
So, without unacceptable penalties, they indulged in what young girls have ALWAYS wanted to do: have sex with exciting men, and have babies.

I'm not arguing with you. Their cause was championed by newly "liberated" leftists like Hillary Cloneton and her ilk, who aligned with the Marxism that they, as the first generation of females from the middle and lower classes attend college in large numbers, mistook for intellectual achievement.

You must admit that in so doing, the "feminists" actually liberated males from responsibility, especially by making abortion not just a solution, but a sacrament.

66 posted on 03/04/2014 11:23:25 AM PST by Albion Wilde (The less a man knows, the more certain he is that he knows it all.)
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To: Finny
Thank you, but Resp 2nd, please, answer the question: YES or NO?

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Which is yours -- yes or no?

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Finny, you asked a great deal of questions. Rhetorical quenstions, questions that indicate you don't know the answer yourself, and have added way too much dialogue to muddle through.

My points have been clear and concise. If you still have any questions, then try to restate it in 10 words or less. Thanks.


67 posted on 03/04/2014 11:23:40 AM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Finny

FINNY — PLEASE STOP SHOUTING. IT IS RUDE.


68 posted on 03/04/2014 11:24:31 AM PST by Albion Wilde (The less a man knows, the more certain he is that he knows it all.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I don’t know any fiscal conservatives that vote Dem. We vote GOP when they manage to put up a candidates that doesn’t suck, libertarian or “screw you guys” when they don’t. The big problem is these days the GOP seems to be incapable of finding candidates that aren’t a sick joke.


69 posted on 03/04/2014 11:27:47 AM PST by discostu (I don't meme well.)
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To: ansel12

Abortion should be illegal. Period.

The social liberals used the power of government to change the definition of marriage. Social conservatives still see government as a tool to use. It is a tool that will ALWAYS be used against us.


70 posted on 03/04/2014 11:30:38 AM PST by DManA
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To: Responsibility2nd

Very well said!


71 posted on 03/04/2014 11:35:04 AM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: DManA

Until you quit hiding what you are trying to say, we can’t understand you.

The facts are that social conservatives are THE small government people and that you are trying to defeat them in the name of social liberalism.

Your “us” is anti-conservative, social liberals promoting a liberal agenda.


72 posted on 03/04/2014 11:39:28 AM PST by ansel12 (Ben Bradlee -- JFK told me that "he was all for people's solving their problems by abortion".)
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To: ansel12

I just said abortion should be illegal. Do you think the definition of marriage got changed because we didn’t out law homosexual marriage?

It got changed because social liberal expanded the scope and reach of government and FORCED IT on EVERYONE.

The best way to fight this is to slash the scope and power of government. How can I say it more clearly?


73 posted on 03/04/2014 11:42:25 AM PST by DManA
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To: DManA
Do you think the definition of marriage got changed because we didn’t out law homosexual marriage? It got changed because social liberal expanded the scope and reach of government and FORCED IT on EVERYONE. The best way to fight this is to slash the scope and power of government. How can I say it more clearly?

AMEN, and Bump to the Top, Brother FReeper.

74 posted on 03/04/2014 11:50:23 AM PST by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: DManA

We are fighting to slash government, we always do, it is what real/social conservatives do.

Suddenly you are fighting us, to stop fighting the homosexual agenda.

The homosexual agenda is advancing because of your side, not the conservatives.

The federal government allows gays in the military and recognize gay marriages in the military and in federal employment, and in immigration, because of social liberals, not because of conservatives.


75 posted on 03/04/2014 11:50:24 AM PST by ansel12 (Ben Bradlee -- JFK told me that "he was all for people's solving their problems by abortion".)
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To: Responsibility2nd
Okay. Ten words, answer yes or no, very simple:

Should bakers be punished for baking cakes for homosexual "weddings"?

76 posted on 03/04/2014 11:52:08 AM PST by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: ansel12

Where did you get the idea I’m fighting you?


77 posted on 03/04/2014 11:53:06 AM PST by DManA
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To: DManA

From your posts on this thread, your fight is against conservatives, and for the social liberals.


78 posted on 03/04/2014 11:57:43 AM PST by ansel12 (Ben Bradlee -- JFK told me that "he was all for people's solving their problems by abortion".)
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To: Finny

No.


79 posted on 03/04/2014 11:59:33 AM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Responsibility2nd
"In other words, to you, being "conservative" means using government to protect American society from harm and decay. If you're like me, you regard anti-Christian morality such as abortion, open homosexuality, sexual promiscuity, sloth, dependence, entitlement thinking, and envy, as social evils that harm and decay American society."

Well, yeah. Duh! This model served America well for 200 some odd years. Is it too much to ask that we return to what worked? Seeing as how abortion, open homosexuality, sexual promiscuity, sloth, dependence, entitlement thinking, and envy are ONLY empowered in modern America BY government -- you advocate moving AWAY from that model when you advocate that conservatism means using government for social engineering. You don't recognize that you are advocating a move AWAY from what worked. Americans didn't need government to force them to be moral; it took government to force them to be IMMORAL, it took government to force them to accepting abortion with Roe v Wade, it took government to force them to accommodate open homosexuals.

The use of government for social engineering is what the Founders AVOIDED and what liberals/Democrats EMBRACED. You seem to be embracing the same justification -- social engineering for the good of society. The Founders CLEARLY advocated limited government, separation of Church and State, keeping government out of the charity business (welfare, entitlement, sloth, envy), out of the morality business (murder/abortion, let alone prostitution and gambling, were NOT made illegal in the Constitution -- that was left to the states, which some social-engineering-conservatives here therefore MUST take to mean that the Founders were pro-murder, pro-gambling, and pro-prostitution). When government -- a FORCE that Washington warned was a dangerous servant and a fearful master -- presumes to get in the morality business, it THEREFORE presumes to usurp religion. Government is amoral; religion is moral.

That's not to hard to understand now, is it?

Right back at ya. You fail to understand the very things you advocate.

80 posted on 03/04/2014 12:04:59 PM PST by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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