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To: Finny
 

In other words, to you, being "conservative" means using government to protect American society from harm and decay. If you're like me, you regard anti-Christian morality such as abortion, open homosexuality, sexual promiscuity, sloth, dependence, entitlement thinking, and envy, as social evils that harm and decay American society.

Well, yeah. Duh! This model served America well for 200 some odd years. Is it too much to ask that we return to what worked?

"Conservative" to you MUST BE code for "believes in the Judeo-Christian ethic." I say this with absolute certainty because DEMOCRATS and SOCIALISTS also belive in "using government to protect American culture from harm or decay," it's just that they think it harms society to reject open homosexuality; they think that not making abortion abundantly available and cheap would contribute to the decay of American culture. They are as convinced of the moral "righteousness" of their use of government, as you are of yours.

You are putting liberal and leftist values and beliefs as equal to conservative values. In case you don't know it; OURS work. Theirs don't. So do not be afraid of SoCons (like Ted Cruz for example) offering up ways to effectively govern from the Right.

Clearly, they also are "conservative" if you define "conservative" as "to protect from harm or decay." Therefore, the reality is that your definition of "conservative" necessarily entails that "conservative" also be a code word for "holding Judeo-Christian values."

That's not so hard to understand, now is it?

 

59 posted on 03/04/2014 11:13:07 AM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Responsibility2nd
"In other words, to you, being "conservative" means using government to protect American society from harm and decay. If you're like me, you regard anti-Christian morality such as abortion, open homosexuality, sexual promiscuity, sloth, dependence, entitlement thinking, and envy, as social evils that harm and decay American society."

Well, yeah. Duh! This model served America well for 200 some odd years. Is it too much to ask that we return to what worked? Seeing as how abortion, open homosexuality, sexual promiscuity, sloth, dependence, entitlement thinking, and envy are ONLY empowered in modern America BY government -- you advocate moving AWAY from that model when you advocate that conservatism means using government for social engineering. You don't recognize that you are advocating a move AWAY from what worked. Americans didn't need government to force them to be moral; it took government to force them to be IMMORAL, it took government to force them to accepting abortion with Roe v Wade, it took government to force them to accommodate open homosexuals.

The use of government for social engineering is what the Founders AVOIDED and what liberals/Democrats EMBRACED. You seem to be embracing the same justification -- social engineering for the good of society. The Founders CLEARLY advocated limited government, separation of Church and State, keeping government out of the charity business (welfare, entitlement, sloth, envy), out of the morality business (murder/abortion, let alone prostitution and gambling, were NOT made illegal in the Constitution -- that was left to the states, which some social-engineering-conservatives here therefore MUST take to mean that the Founders were pro-murder, pro-gambling, and pro-prostitution). When government -- a FORCE that Washington warned was a dangerous servant and a fearful master -- presumes to get in the morality business, it THEREFORE presumes to usurp religion. Government is amoral; religion is moral.

That's not to hard to understand now, is it?

Right back at ya. You fail to understand the very things you advocate.

80 posted on 03/04/2014 12:04:59 PM PST by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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