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Ooooh. Now that'll teach the bear not to annoy Obama.
1 posted on 03/04/2014 5:39:21 PM PST by Jim Robinson
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Perhaps he has secured agreement from other seven to refuse to go and isolate Russia. A better course would be to line up support, announce first and then the others join. Perhaps that is what Obama’s advisors are doing here. Otherwise it makes no sense.


33 posted on 03/04/2014 6:47:36 PM PST by plain talk (t)
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Putin is about ten steps ahead of our hapless foreign policy wonks led by Lurch. Vlad controls the political chessboard and he knows it. The west is so void of leadership. If only we could turn back the clock to three decades ago when Ronald Reagan, Margaret Thatcher, and Pope John Paul II were standing up to the communist threat. That was the major league club in action. The leaders in charge today are single A at best and the world is screwed at the moment.


34 posted on 03/04/2014 7:00:51 PM PST by dowcaet
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Pathetic. Obama is just a pathetic excuse for a president and a man.


35 posted on 03/04/2014 7:18:26 PM PST by Red White and Blue patriot (USA all the way. Love it or Leave it. Better dead than Red. Putin = Hitler 2014)
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Being a European it is interesting to me to follow the discussion about the Ukraine in the US. Here on the old continent we have a slightly different point of view.

The world changed fundamentally in the past few years but some things never changed. Of course Obama like all other US-Presidents before him has practically no millitary means to put pressure on Putin. We all know that Russia has enormous conventional and nuclear abillities. Even for the mighty US forces it is far too dangerous to engage the red army. Therefore only economic sanctions are a realistic alternative. Success will be limited since such attempts never worked in the past and it is not the US that are the partners of the Russians. US sanctions are de facto irrelevant to Russia since you guys simply are not important to them. The EU, particulary Germany is the main trading partner of Russia. But after all I doubt that we will follow Obamas course since we would loose far too much.

The heating of my house is working with Russian gas and the Russians are on a good way to overtake the US in economical importance from a European point of view (our trade volumina with Russia is 2/3 of the trade volumina with the US). Nevertheless this is not the biggest problem we have with the US. It is a matter of values and trust. The gap between Europe and the US is widening every day. I.e. the bugging affair (Merkels handy and many others) made clear to most Europeans that from a American view we are no close friends but simply subordinates.

Therefore we have no reason to help the US (except of lip service) in this matter.

Has Europe reason to help the Ukraine?

The question is who needs really help there. We should not forget that the Crimea is in fact Russian territory. Khrushchev added the former Russian peninsula to the Ukraine during Soviet times (in the 50ties). 58 % of the people living there are Russians. Therefore the Russian “invasion” of the Crimea is something quite understandable to me. Imagine a area that is inhabited by 58.5 % Americans undergoing such political changes. We would see bazillons of lethernecks and aircraft carriers there. You Americans have a disposition for martial appearances.

Janukowich -like it or not- was the last democratic elected president of the Ukraine. Since the Ukraine is a deeply devided country with two different ethnic groups that hate each other, it is quite logical that there will be winners and loosers in such a gouverment change. BTW I understand the Russians that they do not want to live under Ukrainian regime. The best thing for them would be a divorce. The Czechs and the Slovaks made it, even the Jews and the Arabs are thinking about it. It would be not the end of the world.

A friendly advice from a old friend of the US is being reluctant. The US only can loose in this game. In the end they will stand alone.

Regards from Europe

Andreas


39 posted on 03/04/2014 7:43:34 PM PST by European Guest (De omnibus dubitandum)
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The horror.


41 posted on 03/04/2014 7:59:58 PM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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Nee Ner Nee Ner Neeee Ner.


44 posted on 03/04/2014 8:07:29 PM PST by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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I’m sure they’re quaking in their Cossack boots over THAT threat!

NOT!


45 posted on 03/04/2014 8:46:52 PM PST by luvie (All my heroes wear camos! Thank you David, Michael, Chris Txradioguy, JJ, CMS, & ALL Vets, too!)
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- Hey Obama - Is that a basketball in your Mom Jeans or are you just trying to impress Putin?

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46 posted on 03/04/2014 9:07:13 PM PST by devolve (- - Hey Obama - Is that a basketball in your Mom Jeans or are you just trying to impress Putin? -)
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courtesy ping Jim, though one is probably not needed but you have none-the-less.


49 posted on 03/04/2014 9:21:37 PM PST by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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This is so astoundingly stupid. The greatest danger Russia poses to us is not invading Crimea, nor their stable of nukes, but being an instigator to drop the US dollar as the world’s reserve currency.

With our debt situation, this would be as bad as a tactical nuclear strike, and I am only exaggerating a little.

Therefore, pulling out to let them talk about how the once mighty Uncle (Sam) is really impotent ain’t exactly the most convincing bluff.

I am facepalming on this one.


51 posted on 03/05/2014 3:22:22 AM PST by AK_47_7.62x39 (There are many moderate Muslims, but there is no such thing as a moderate Islam. -- Geert Wilders)
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Bad Vlad gonna cry himself to sleep now, you betcha.

The real bitchslap comes when the rest of the G-8 goes to meet with Putin anyway, leaving Barry at home.

58 posted on 03/05/2014 6:37:50 AM PST by Eric Pode of Croydon
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