Posted on 03/05/2014 10:24:39 AM PST by kronos77
"It is extremely unfortunate that this wiretapping was conducted. It’s not an accident that this conversation was posted (on the Internet) today," Paet said. Earlier, he said that the conversation with Ashton took place last week, immediately after the head of the MFA’s return from Ukraine to Estonia. "My conversation with Ashton took place last week directly after my visit to Ukraine. At that time, I was in Estonia already," he said. The diplomat refrained from more detailed comments until he "sees the recording". Paet says he used the ministry’s mobile phone for talks and has no idea how information leak occurred "I don’t know whether my phone or the one belonging to Ashton was tapped. A journalist of the "Postimees" newspaper told me about the information leak. We have relevant agencies, which are currently conducting an investigation to find out how such a thing happened. There is no sense to make suppositions now . We can only voice our own suppositions in an attempt to explain why this audio record was posted on the Internet a week after the new government started performing its duties," Paet said. Estonian Minister also said that it was necessary to conduct an independent investigation into the dramatic events involving the death of people during the rallies on the Maidan Square in Kiev. "The investigators must find out what really occurred in Kiev. Many people want an independent investigation to be carried out in Ukraine. The people responsible for the crimes committed on the Maidan Square in Kiev must be punishable by law," the diplomat said.
(Excerpt) Read more at voiceofrussia.com ...
In the mid 1870s Modest Mursorsky composed a piece of music called Thr Great Gates of Kiev. Kiev was considered a part of Russia then. Long before Stalin
Anyone who has watched more than one episode of CSI or NCIS knows what is meant by the term ‘handwriting’ as it applies to medical forensics.
When do the aliens emerge from Area 51?
The problem is that many Ukrainians would disagree with that sentiment.
lol
Sorry, Kiev was a great city a few hundred years before Moscow was more than a village of mud huts.
A great failing of the internet is “research” that ceases when one locates a “fact” one was seeking.
Surprisingly, what you just said is a little known fact. It’s critical to understand Stalin’s strategy and the consequences: quislings or others with mixed loyalties (that may tend to “neutralize” or immobilized one’s sense of loyalty and justice).
My point was that Russia had a foothold in the country long before Stalin. Regardless of what their nationalistic sentiments aren’t this time;. With generations to assimilate it obviously hasn’t been done in some areas. BUT that being said there are other “things” contributing to the conflict. Someone or thing has stirred the POT
Russia is trying to blame it all on the protesters, and now -- shadowy support from "the West".
Never mind the Berkut, who actually did the shooting.
This is part of the overall effort to rehabilitate Yanukovych. He wants to return...and his racketeering co-conspirators are likely getting nervous, along with the Party of Regions candidates who were either in bed with them (made deals, or looked the other way) who have a lot to lose.
That is why the Russians are pulling out all the stops, and accusing the "opposition" in the Ukraine to be nothing but Nazi's, etc.
The last Ukraine presidential election may have been legitimate enough, but the parliamentary elections had some significant problems, with the Berkut alleged to have used some violence in support of Yanukovych supporting candidates.
True enough, all that you say. That is why Ukraine is a difficult issue.
Maybe you need to do some reading off FR
Google RussianRed wheat. It’s a heritage seed that Monsanto can’t control.
Then look into the hybrids Monsanto has created for Americans to consume. Then try to buy some seed here in the US
I’m a gardener. Ask any one how much some of their garden seeds have gone up in price since passage of the “Monsanto Bill”
You control the food. You control a country or at least its people That brings us to the control of the water in CA biggest farm production area
Hooe your prepared to grow your own food. Prices are going thru the roof soon
Maybe then you won’t be so flippant
History shapes current events. A lack of knowledge about history leads to misunderstanding and miscalculation. The former is quite evident in the actions of this administration.
Absolutely but it wasn’t Stalin that Russified the area
And what Russian’s claimed at the olympics musicians , ballet , literature , architecture was not a result of the thinking of its native people’s but a result of a czar reaching out to Europe and bring what he considered the best to his people Putin was very proud of that part of their culture
Each village in these “Russian” areas have wonderful choirs and competitions in music that would put American hip-hop to shame. It’s a European tradition much like we see in THE SOUND OF MUSIC
The Estonian men’s choir that toured the United States shortly before their independence and asked for prayers for freedom before the singing of their national anthem brought people to their feet. The men in the choir openly shed tears and were joined by many in the crowd. (None who understood a word of what they sang , )but all understood their longing to be free .
I don’t believe what either our media or theirs chose to feed us. But there are plenty of freepers following tweets from the area
And I know things are not as some portray
Our present administration as well as too many of our fellow citizens ignore history (if it was ever taught in school/or they ever absorbed it) and have no desire to revisit “failed” attempts at cultures and societies, governing, nationhood, etc.
“Progress, far from consisting in change, depends on retentiveness. When change is absolute there remains no being to improve and no direction is set for possible improvement: and when experience is not retained, as among savages, infancy is perpetual. Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.” George Santayana
“When the situation was manageable it was neglected, and now that it is thoroughly out of hand we apply too late the remedies which then might have effected a cure. There is nothing new in the story. It is as old as the sibylline books. It falls into that long, dismal catalogue of the fruitlessness of experience and the confirmed unteachability of mankind. Want of foresight, unwillingness to act when action would be simple and effective, lack of clear thinking, confusion of counsel until the emergency comes, until self-preservation strikes its jarring gong–these are the features which constitute the endless repetition of history.”
Churchill - House of Commons, 2 May 1935, after the Stresa Conference, in which Britain, France and Italy agreed—futilely—to maintain the independence of Austria.
Churchill was a giant among men.
Disinformation .. indeed !
Four titles up from this post was :
"PUTIN WAR PROPAGANDA EXPOSED: Same Pro-Russian “Actress” Used in FIVE Different Ukrainian Reports"
found at : http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3129942/posts
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