Skip to comments.California store’s sale of smart guns prompts furious backlash
Posted on 03/06/2014 4:51:26 PM PST by Second Amendment First
The California gun store that put the nations first smart gun on sale is facing a furious backlash from customers and gun rights advocates who fear the new technology will encroach on their Second Amendment rights if it becomes mandated.
Attacks in online forums and social networks against the Oak Tree Gun Club have prompted the store to back away from any association with the Armatix iP1 smart gun. The protests threaten the nascent smart gun industry, which received a jolt of support recently when a group of Silicon Valley investors offered a $1 million prize for promising new technology.
The vitriol began almost immediately after The Washington Post reported last month that the Armatix iP1 smart gun was for sale at the pro shop. Electronic chips inside the gun communicate with a watch that can be purchased with the gun, making it impossible to fire without the watch. Gun control advocates, who believe smart guns could reduce gun violence, suicides and accidental shootings, marked the moment as a milestone.
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Let ‘em sell the silly things. I’ll be waiting for the first person to get killed because something failed and their gun didn’t “unlock.”
(If California mandates these things for the police, look for somebody to come out with a jammer that will prevent the police guns from firing!)
I would never shop there and if the owner were a friend I would let him know as much.
Difficult to believe that anyone would even buy one of these pieces of crap.
If/when the SHTF, you’re going to be fumbling with this horse manure technology all the way to the morgue.
Keep It Simple, Stupid is the high sign in moments of intense stress.
And that’s all to one side when considering the political issue; once it’s established that The Government can tell you what sort of weapon falls within Second Amendment purview, your freedom is gone.
So let’s say I buy this wonderful safety package.
Why would it be necessary for me to lock it up and why couldn’t I leave it loaded.
The device that makes it possible for me to fire the weapon could be locked in a drawer or safe.
Sumpin like that of thinking.
Plus, you have an electronics device that can fail or be covertly fried or a frequency wave that can be jammed. When your life depends on it, keep it simple and mechanical and stay away from electronics.
The thing is a battery powered 22lr, seriously? If I had to choose a weapon, I’d arm myself with a baseball bat before I’d break that thing out.
If it’s “smart”, it wouldn’t take much more to enable it to: record where and when you shoot it (or even handle it); record the direction it was pointed when fired; record the calibre of the ammo you used; and, to transmit reports to the “authorities”.
Mitchell is a moron. Decent people cannot compromise with those who see meeting halfway as the first of many steps toward getting their way completely. My right to keep and bear arms is not negotiable, and I will not compromise my rights in any way with those who want me disarmed.
But if we're talking compromise, what I'd like is a compromise in which we identify the 15,000 (out of 30,000) most useless gun laws in the country and repeal them all. Then we could compromise and identify the most useless 7,000 remaining gun laws and repeal them . . . Oh . . . the left isn't interested in that sort of compromise, only in compromise that turns the ratchet in their direction? That's what I thought.
I’m a watchmaker. Today, among others I finished the repair of 2 watches. One is a Waltham pocket watch made in 1873, and it now and STILL running like it was a month and a half old. At its current rate of wear, I estimate it will last more or less another hundred years.
The other was a very high grade Swiss made BATTERY powered quartz day/date man’s watch. It was purchased and given as a Christmas gift in 2013!!! Tuesday it stopped and was brought to me. Gee—something in the circuit died and the watch stopped. This high quality movement is seen so often I keep a couple of circuits in stock, just to save ordering time. Any electronic circuit can and will eventually fail. The company will, of course, back up its warranty. Not a big deal.. HOWEVER—
Question....You want to have you very life dependent on that somewhat fragile thing on your wrist?
It isn't so much that gun owners are "afraid" of a mandate, those poor silly people, because it isn't fear that is being shown here, it's outrage that someone would go along with the scam. The Post missed the significant part of the story. It was the rage. We've had enough, we really, really have.
What’s funny is the owner thinks he can scrub the internet of his previous comments and photos. It’s pretty hard to undo stupid. I would almost feel sorry for the idiot if he hadn’t been such a stooge for the state of Kalifornia.
It doesn’t say but maybe part of the cost is that it includes microstamping. Can they do that on a rimfire?
The problem is that "SmartGun" supporters don't want one. They want us to be compelled to buy one and to retrofit our existing firearms with "SmartGun" technology. That is not in any way okay. Given the existing laws and support for laws that would make "SmartGuns" the only legal guns once they are available, I'm going free market all over anyone who makes or sells "SmartGuns". I'm boycotting any business involved in the whole process. Consumer boycotts are part of the free market, and this is going to be an expensive (and probably permanent) mistake for any gun dealer who carries "SmartGuns".
This process is, I was just told by a Californian FFL holder, for each model number of every gun. Smith & Wesson, who is very profligate with model numbers, is, he says, volubly upset and threatening to quit the state.
Dear Aimee Dewing & Smart Tech Challenges Foundation:
“that allow only authorized owners to control access to their firearms.”
This appears to be an infringement of the Second Amendment of the United States Constitution. viz
“to keep” = means “not to let go one`s possession or control” = Webster`s Dictionary, p460
Once the “owner” of a gun restricts that use to himself by a machine or instrument, he has lost control if he wants to let his son or nephew or relative or friend use the weapon for self-defense or even target practice or to scare off wolves here, if he is incapable, in a hurry sometimes coz wolves run pretty fast..
Even hunters switch rifles sometimes to try them out in the field. This is a no- brainer- Any company producing such owner-only weapons will probably wind up in challenges in court and spend millions of dollars in litigation.
What should be done is to put criminals who have used weapons in jail, not restrict law-abiding citizens by forcing them to use single-owner only smartweapons.
sorry nice intention but bad unconstitutional idea.
What if a cop could fire only his weapon? What if he was shot and another cop needed to use his weapon to defend himself or both? [This does not apply to military or national guard?]
Criminal wins- smartgun loses, cops dead just because of this stupoid idea. Oh this smart weapon technology does not apply to law enforcement personnel?
hmmmmm- that in itself is unconstitutional.
Criminals are usually always one step ahead of police and everyone else.
If they can hack Apple`s iPhone finger print security, they can steal and hack any -”owner-only” smartgun, reverse engineer it and be able to fire it by disabling said technology..
It`s a waste of time,talent, money and a violation of the Second Amendment.
I taught my 5 brothers and sisters how to become marksmen/women from the age of 8, coz we have wolves up here preying on livestock. According to this proposal I would have to buy 5 more smart-rifles just to target practice- .
Gimme a break!
This is a stupid stupoid idea and someone has no common sense, and it ain`t me.
Nice try, but someone is headed for expensive litigation and it ain`t me.
I guess it appears none of the people at Smart tech challenges foundation was ever raised on a farm???
You`all must be appearing to be them thar city slickers that never had to protect chickens in the coop from the foxes nor goats, sheep & cattle from the wolves n coyotes..
It`s nice and eye-opening to get out into the rest of the world to see how people live elsewhere,not just in cities.
I recall reading somewhere that if an grandfathered model is modified in any way it must get new approval.
Ok, the “dumb gun” only fires when near the wrist watch.
(when the wrist watch is working)
So, the bad guy takes both.
Like the “smart meters” of California’s utility, PG&E...or the “black boxes” Obama wants in all cars....wireless transmittal to the Govt which can “turn off” the car, utilities, the “dumb gun”, etc.
(or the crook simply removes the electronic gizmo and retrofits it back into a normal gun...should not be rocket science)
you trust your life to every little part and screw in the weapon and in someone else who manufactured the live round in your chamber.
you can replace the battery every month and test the new one before you install in....for a couple of bucks.
Not quite correct. The manufacturer has to supply the gun at no charge, and then has to pay for the testing, a term I use loosely, and I believe there is a fee for applying for the test. We are talking time and money here, at least in the low thousands to get a gun accepted.
Some LEOs are requiring a gun to be on the current list if you want to make it your CCW gun. My Sheriff accepts any gun that has ever been on the list. Yes you can get a CCW in CA. We have over 800 in our county with a population of 24,000.
no you wouldn't, you'd just leave the "watch" or whatever it is, with the rifle....anyone can use it.
Why not load up a revolver, place it in my nightstand and feel comfortable that in 40 years it will still fire every round.
I say this because in the mid 70s I found a revolver (S&W M1917) in my grandmother's nightstand. She said she put it there when my grandfather went to fight WWII in 1943 and never moved it since then. I took the revolver out to the range, shot the bullets that were in it, fired about 30 more rounds, cleaned it, lubricated it, refilled it with modern hollow points bullets, and put it back in her night stand. In the mid 90s, my grandmother died. I took the pistol home with me and repeated what I did in the mid 70s. It sleeps in my nightstand now. I have another S&W 1917 for target practice, so there is no need to wake my grandmother's pistol up.
Yeah. I’m not surprised at all. Thanks for letting me know it’s even worse than I thought... ;-)
the original question was why shoule I place my life on a battery....I merely suggested that you could get a brand new battery every month, obviously that would only apply to someone paranoid about the dependence of batteries.
as far as grandma's trusty fireare...great, I have several myself but you set up a scenario, so I will too.
Your family lives in a middleclass neighborhood in a large city. You leave for work every morning and your wife and young children are at home. Your wife feels secure knowing that she has a handgun and knows how to use it. She knows where it is, very handy to where she is, but in many cases the kids know where it is too. Wouldn't you feel more secure knowing that ONLY she could fire that gun? The kids can't, their friends can't, and in the unlikely event that an intruder got it away from her, ....he can't either.
nope cause I wouldn`t buy one watchgun never
And then you are still relying on a battery, and delicate electronics, that will end up being made in China once the ball gets rolling on smartgun legislation and laws. Non-electronically enhanced guns will NEVER have an electronic failure.
What is your point?
Wouldn’t you feel more secure knowing that ONLY she could fire that gun? The kids can’t, their friends can’t, and in the unlikely event that an intruder got it away from her, ....he can’t either.
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Mine were ‘put away’ accessible to my Wife AND Daughters. They knew how to use them and were instructed you don’t point that at anyone unless you are ready and willing to use it.
My daughters knew that it was none of their friends business where my (our) guns were, and they also knew the daughters were not going to give them access to the liquor cabinet either.
My grandkids also know how and when to use a weapon.
You can’t be ‘scared’ of guns, they are here and best to let those you love have every advantage of protecting themselves. The more restrictions you put on a ‘tool’ the sillier it looks to those who KNOW what it is about.
Like the Calif. dummies that found $10 million worth of gold coins and blabbed about it? Government claims coins in 3...2...1...blast off.
So if someone breaks in in the middle of night you need to ask them to wait while you get your watch on?
Sign me up/s
Does the smart gun also only shoot people in the arm or leg?