Skip to comments.CPAC Immigration Panelist: ‘Latino Voters Are the Reagan Democrats of Today’
Posted on 03/07/2014 6:55:59 PM PST by Altura Ct.
Two participants in a panel on immigration at CPAC today expressed confidence in their closing statements that Hispanic immigrants will be a source of future votes for the Republican party. Latino voters are the Reagan Democrats of today, said Alfonso Aguilar, the executive director of the Latino Partnership for Conservative Principles. I believe that the majority of them can actually be members of CPAC in the future, concurred the Reverend Luis Cortés Jr.
The panel was supposed to answer the question: Can there be meaningful immigration reform without citizenship?
Derrick Morgan, vice president of domestic policy at the Heritage Foundation, was the only one of four panelists to basically reject the premise of the question, saying that he wasnt the best person to say whether legalization should include a path to citizenship since he didnt think that Republicans should be pursuing a policy of comprehensive immigration reform at all right now: I respectfully disagree with the policy of legalization with or without citizenship, he said, instead favoring a piecemeal approach, beginning with enforcement. He noted that the current laws are not being enforced so why would you trust this current administration to implement a deal?
Aguilar vehemently disagreed: Conservatives need to address immigration, and they need to do it now, he said, adding that our conservative base wants us to lead and legislate on the issue. Alfonso said that in addition to immigrants doing the jobs that Americans dont want, immigration creates good-paying jobs for working-class Americans.
Reverend Cortés declared that immigration is the only policy matter where God agrees with God, by which he meant, he explained, that all religious communities supported immigration reform even the Bahai.
The reverend warned that the Hispanic community is becoming alienated by Republican rhetoric on the issue, much like African Americans left the party of Lincoln due partly to rhetoric around civil rights. The Hispanic community is about less government, it is afraid of big government, he added.
At one point, Reverend Cortés took issue with Morgans use of the word amnesty. If you look it up in the dictionary it means forgiveness at no cost, he said, and it would not apply if someone comes forward and has to do recompense as he said Republicans are proposing to require of immigrants currently here illegally.
The fourth panelist, Helen Krieble of the Krieble Foundation, advocated for a large guest-worker program, and pushed for her organizations Red Card solution.
No, they aren’t.
And we are supposed to vote for those who think like this?
They’ll be voting Democrat for 200 years.
The Republicans need non Hispanic voters in the midwest to get to 270.
The criteria shouldn’t be whether illegal aliens are potentially Republican voters...the criteria should be whether a person who comes here does so respectful of our laws!
Are they really that stupid, or are they just more interested in the short-term benefits of cheap labor for business than they are in the long-term benefits of preserving America?
Fine, let them become citizens the LEGAL WAY.
I remember those days. That's true but here's the "rhetoric"
Being for the Tenth Amendment -- even if you were vehemently against the Jim Crow laws in some states -- you were denounced as a racist Republican.
If you were disturbed by the violent rioting and backed the local police in support of law and order you were denounced as a racist Republican.
It matter not one whit that Republicans out-voted Democrats in support of civil rights issues IIRC.
The Rockefeller Republicans like Nelson Rockefeller, Scranton, George Romney, et al. denounced fellow Republicans and anyone who supported Goldwater as "purveyors of hate" and virtual KKK members -- even if you were vehemently against the the Jim Crow laws in some states.
BTW, Reagan never, never, never promised presidential amnesty for Democratic Party members who needed it and voted for him.. so in no way are ILLEGAL aliens comparable to Reagan Democrats.
They COULD be, but they are more interested in the handouts than any other topic, and I speak of the overwhelming majority of “Latinos”.
I’ve spoken with “Latinos” in Southern California who are here legally and from my understanding, the bulk of those who actually believe in earning an honest living are not fans of illegals and are disgusted with them.
Conservatives can win over enough Hispanic voters to make the difference.
As proof that they are not a total lock for democrats, Hispanics who are Protestant voted 44% republican in 2000, 56% republican in 2004, and 48% republican in 2008.
We need to reach them, for instance in Texas many Hispanics voted against Davis in the primary, the GOP should be striking while their separation from her abortion message is fresh in their minds, we need to reinforce their suspicions that they are members of the wrong party, that they are supporting an unmasculine, immoral, exploitative, backwards looking party that doesn’t reflect qualities that Hispanics generally respect in individuals and in self identity.
CPAC going Tokyo Rose....
“...I do not think more than 35% have ever voted Republican...”
I agree with you. While many Cubans and Salvadorans vote conservative they are NOT a majority. Even heartthrob Eduardo Verastegui could not lead many Mexi-fornians away from voting for Obama.
They switched parties in 1936.
Up to and including 1932, they had always been GOP and voted about 70% GOP in 1932, then they permanently reversed in 1936, with 71% for the democrats, and always voting democrat since.
This is unlike anything natural in politics, an instant and total, and permanent, reversal, in a single election, and for the same president that they had just rejected by about 70%.
I don't know what dictionary Cortes is using, but here's the one I saw:
"the act of an authority (as a government) by which pardon is granted to a large group of individuals."
Says nothing about cost. It says forgiveness, which is what AMNESTY is.
Right - and Democrats should try to court the NRA vote... they’re the Clinton Republicans...
The root cause of the 1986 Amnesty Debacle was a lack of punishment for the Illegal Alien Invaders from Mexico by Federal authorities in “both” political parties.
Now the States will have to take matters into their own hands, and all Hell will break loose.
Once again the US Federal Government has chosen to ignore their own laws.
I found my numbers.
Blacks voted 23% for FDR in 1932, when they were republican, then they voted 71% for FDR in 1936, when they made their group switch to the democrats.
That is not natural, it was a total and permanent reversal.
There are millions of Hispanics, citizens and non-citizens, in this country legally. I support them and wish them well. It is the others, the illegal aliens who must not be granted any path to citizenship. There is a great divide between the two groups and we should do what we can do to encourage and help the legal Hispanic community - not the other.
I see no evidence of a cold front approaching Hell, and I do not see any swine growing wings and taking to the air, so I am inclined to believe the Pubbies will get their vote in the year 9595, if man is still alive.
There is a great divide between the two groups and we should do what we can do to encourage and help the legal Hispanic community - not the other.
Legal? Really? Do you mean support LaRaza? Or How about the ‘legal’ members of the the Hispanic Caucus? Perhaps the legal members of MEChA or maybe one of these. They are all legal.
Association of Hispanic Advertising Agencies (AHAA)
Association of Latino Professionals in Finance and Accounting (ALPFA)
Center for Multilingual Multicultural Research
Committee for Hispanic Children and Families (CHCF)
Congressional Hispanic Caucus Institute (CHCI)
Diversity Pipeline Alliance
El Centro de la Raza
Hispanic Agenda for Action
Hispanic Association of Colleges and Universities (HACU)
Hispanic Association on Corporate Responsibility (HACR)
Hispanic Broadcasting Corporation
Hispanic Business Women’s Alliance
Hispanic Chamber of E-Commerce
Hispanic College Fund
Hispanic Council on International Relations
Hispanic Genealogy Center
Hispanic Heritage Awards Foundation
Hispanic Outlook on Higher Education Magazine
Hispanic Scholarship Fund
Hispanic Society of America
Hispanics Across America
Hispanics in Philantropy
Immigrant Worker Resources
Latin American Health Institute
Latino Issues Forum
Latinos for America
League of United Latin American Citizens (LULAC)
MANA. A National Latina Organization
Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund
Mexican American Opportunity Foundation
National Alliance for Hispanic Health
National Association for Bilingual Education
National Association of Latino Elected and Appointed Officials (NALEO)
National Conference of Puerto Rican Women (NACOPRW)
National Council of La Raza (NCLR)
National Hispanic Agenda Summit
National Hispanic Corporate Council (NHCC)
National Hispanic Council on Aging (NHCoA)
National Hispanic Foundation for the Arts
National Hispanic Medical Association (NHMA)
National Latino Children’s Institute (NLCI)
National Latino Peace Officers Association
National Latino Research Center
National Network for Immigrant and Refugee Rights (NNIRR)
National Society for Hispanic Professionals (NSHP)
New American Alliance
New Democrat Network Hispanic Project
Republican National Hispanic Assembly
Salvadoran American Leadership and Educational Fund (SALEF)
Scholarships for Hispanics
Self Reliance Foundation
SER-Jobs for Progress National, Inc.
Society of Hispanic Professional Engineers (SHPE)
Southwest Voter Registration Education Project (SVREP)
¡Soy Unica! ¡Soy Latina!
The Congressional Hispanic Caucus Institute
The Democratic Party - Hispanic Vote
The Lagrant Foundation
The Latino Coalition
The Tomas Rivera Policy Institute
U.S. Govt. Information in Spanish
United States Hispanic Chamber of Commerce (USHCC)
United States-Mexico Chamber of Commerce (USMCOC)
I often hear in the media that Hispanics are socially conservative. For that sort of thing you do need quick & dirty rules-of-thumb, and the assertion seems broadly plausible. On the other hand, the Hispanic attitude toward gay marriage isnt really that different from non-Hispanic white (see GSS MARHOMO variable). So I decided to query non-Hispanic white and Hispanic attitudes to a range of hot-button social issues in the GSS. I also broke it down by college vs. non-college educated cohorts. All results are from the year 2000 and later.
|No college||College||No college||College|
|Abortion on demand, yes||38||53||28||47|
|Abortion if serious defect, yes||75||70||67||79|
|Make divorce easier||23||16||44||28|
|Keep divorce laws same||23||34||17||40|
|Make divorce more difficult||55||50||38||32|
|Premarital sex always wrong||26||19||21||16|
|Premarital sex almost always wrong||8||8||10||7|
|Premarital sex sometimes wrong||18||23||20||13|
|Premarital sex not wrong at all||47||50||49||64|
|Homosexual sex always wrong||58||35||61||33|
|Homosexual sex almost always wrong||4||5||5||4|
|Homosexual sex sometimes wrong||6||11||7||9|
|Homosexual sex not wrong at all||32||48||27||55|
|Porn should be illegal to all||40||30||36||25|
|Porn should be illegal to under 18||57||67||60||70|
|Porn should be legal to all||3||3||4||4|
|Strongly favor spanking children||28||17||25||19|
|Favor spanking children||47||44||44||43|
|Do not favor spanking children||19||28||22||20|
|Strongly do not favor spanking children||6||11||9||17|
|Allow incurable patients to die||72||72||58||76|
|Strongly agree better for man to work, woman to tend home||10||5||14||9|
|Agree better for man to work, woman to tend home||31||19||32||16|
|Disagree better for man to work, woman to tend home||43||49||43||48|
|Strongly disagree better for man to work, woman to tend home||16||28||11||27|
These results can be used to support the proposition that Hispanics are socially conservative. But they are not of the magnitude or direction of difference that one finds when comparing evangelical white Protestants to other whites, or even blacks to whites. So though technically defensible, I think the assertion that Hispanics are socially conservative in their attitudes misleads the public somewhat.
(unless the divorce results are mis-coded, they do seem correct)
Despite the fact that 70% of Hispanics vote Rat. Legalizing 11-20 million more of them is a recipe for permanent minorities for decades.
The out of wedlock birth rate for Hispanics is 53%. What’s conservative about that?
It makes a huge difference which Latino voters one talks about. Latino voters themselves will tell you that there are huge differences among them.
Democrats are trying to roll them all into a single voting block that will vote Democrat. We can't let that happen.
There has to be some precision in separating Latinos that have come to America, are assimilating, and have embraced the American way, and those Latinos that came here for free stuff.
It comes down to which wave they came in on.
Reagan was an inspiration. Immigrants can be inspired by a great leader of their new country just as much as the native people. Those that came in under Reagan are Reagan Latinos. And they do vote Republican.
The next wave came in under Clinton/Bush. What was their inspiration? New Latinos have been cultured into a very different world -- an uninspiring world.
That same thing has happened to millennials. Worse, they're cynical. They don't start families. They're unemployed.
If we can find someone that can inspire millennials, we'll have no trouble inspiring new immigrants. Amnesty wouldn't be a huge problem with such a leader.
But where is that leader today?
The reverend warned that the Hispanic community is becoming alienated by Republican rhetoric on the issue, much like African Americans left the party of Lincoln due partly to rhetoric around civil rights. The Hispanic community is about less government, it is afraid of big government, he added.”
Sorry Reverend you are delusional. Republicans helped pass civil rights legislation in the early sixties. Hispanic immigrants are overwhelmingly dependent on government assistance.
I think if we sit down with Hispanics, I think you’ll see that they are conservative. That said, I think illegals should be sent back and pay fines and then ask to be an American citizen.
I am an in my eighties and have lived in worked in several locations around the US and some outside the US. In my lifetime I have known quite a few Hispanics. Some were professionals - engineers and medical doctors - some worked in factories, usually as supervisors. And most of them Cuban or the Dominican Republic. They were all patriotic, some were veterans, and conservative. Am I supposed to equate them to the ones being described on this post?
I am in my 70s. In 1970 one in 21 was foreign born in this country; today it is one in 8, the highest it has been in 90 years; and within a decade it will be one in 7, the highest in our history. We have gone from 9.7 million foreign born in 1970 to 45 million today.
Here is a breakdown of the educational levels of immigrants, legal and illegal, compared to the native born. Our immigration policies are importing poverty thru mostly unskilled and uneducated immigrants.
About one quarter of our immigrants come from Mexico. 34.5 percent of Mexican immigrants in 2010 indicated in the survey that they arrived in 2000 or later. For immigrants from countries such as India, Guatemala, Honduras, and Brazil, roughly half arrived during the last decade. In contrast, for countries like Canada and Vietnam, few are recent arrivals.
The demographics of this country are rapidly changing fueled by immigration and minority birthrates. We bring in 1.2 million permanent legal immigrants a year, 87% of whom are minorities as classified by the USG. We will be a majority-minority country for the first time in our history by 2043. Half of the children 18 and under will be minorities by 2019. The children of immigrants account for one-third of all children in poverty.
There are 10.4 million students from immigrant households in public schools, accounting for one in five public school students. Of these students, 78 percent speak a language other than English at home. Overall, one in four public school students now speaks a language other than English at home.
Are blacks conservative?
Amnesty is not the main problem. Our legal immigration policies are far more destructive.
And people still wonder why some of us hate that party!
Supporting any form of amnesty will lose more votes than it will gain.
Maybe they have disagreements on some issues, but most people I talk to are fiscal conservatives and most are social conservatives, too.
That's true and we have the same thing here with Miami Cubans but the problem is there are fewer of these guys every year as the huge illegal population overwhelms all else. It may be too late to hope for change.
They STILL don’t get it! UGH!!!
I have long advocated closing the borders to unauthorized entries, illegal aliens deported, babies born to non-citizen copies do not receive US citizenship, all legal immigration cease until the actual unemployment drops below 5%.
However, there are Hispanics who have been legally in the US, some for many generations and are productive, patriotic and many are conservative. No, I am not Hispanic - an Anglo-Saxon all the way back to colonial days.
We have a boat in Ventura and the other day I was on top of it doing some work while the maintenance crew from our marina was redoing the dock next to it. Everyone left except one Mexican guy who has been here forever. He started talking to me. His parents came here legally through the Bracero program and stayed. He was ranting about the class of Mexicans coming here now and not working, living on their anchor baby freebies. He said they think he is stupid for working.
I don't know why you create this phony strawman about Hispanics as though I am attacking Hispanics--a term that was created in the 1970s--when I did nothing of the sort.
I have no doubt that "Hispanics" are like most Americans when it comes to being productive and patriotic. I will take issue with the characterization that many are conservative. Most are not. Poll after poll shows that.
I suggest you read Phyillis Schlafly's recently released study, How Mass (Legal) Immigration Dooms a Conservative Republican Party
"The Pew Research Center has found that 55 percent of Hispanics have a negative view of capitalism, the highest of any group surveyed. Pew also found that 75 percent of Hispanics prefer a bigger government providing more services, as do 55 percent of Asian Americans. This compares to just 41 percent of the general public. While the general public was divided in 2012 on Obamacare, 66 percent of Hispanics support it; and three times as many Asian Americans had a favorable opinion of the program as had an unfavorable opinion of it."
For this reason, Ruy Texeira of the liberal Center for American Progress observes that Hispanic opinions on the role of government are very much aligned with the Democratic Party.
"The data also do not support the notion that immigrants are social conservatives. Heather Mac Donald of the Manhattan Institute points out that it is not immigration policy that creates the strong bond between Hispanics and the Democratic Party, but the core Democratic principles of a more generous safety net, strong government intervention in the economy, and progressive taxation.
It is proof positive that anecdotal information is less than meaningful.
This is the sort of look at me I’m stupid thread far too common around here
Exit polls are easy to find
Legal or not....little difference
The old commie fleeing Latinos were the last right wing ones
They have died off
Turning 1% of white Dem or non voting electorate to GOP voters is same as turning 8-10% of brown Dem voters to GOP
Are folks here just too dumb...or weak about skin based facts
Good post. Very accurate summation.
Amnesty is for ever, and you gotta vote for the Republicans one more time, but just make it clear, If you pass amnesty, thats it. Its over. Then we organize the death squads for the people who wrecked America.