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Gates: Crimea is 'gone'
Politico ^ | 9 March 14 | KEVIN ROBILLARD

Posted on 03/09/2014 12:26:23 PM PDT by SkyPilot

Former Defense Secretary Robert Gates predicts that Russia will continue to control Crimea for the foreseeable future.

"I do not believe that Crimea will slip out of Russia's hand," he said in an interview aired on "Fox News Sunday."

"You think Crimea's gone?" host Chris Wallace asked.

"I do," Gates replied. Russia has bloodlessly seized control of Crimea over the past week and has moved to formally annex it. The Crimean parliament has scheduled a vote on whether to join Russia for next week.

"I think it's part of a long-term strategy on Putin's part to create a Russian sphere of influence, a Russian bloc," Gates said, adding later: "I don't think he will stop in Ukraine until there is essentially a pro-Russian government in Ukraine, in Kiev."

Gates said he supported efforts by Congress and the administration to increase sanctions on Russia.

(Excerpt) Read more at politico.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: bhorussia; crimea; gates; obamalegacy; putin; russia; ukraine; viktoryanukovich; yuliatymoshenko
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To: SkyPilot

Captian Obvious quote by gates
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2 posted on 03/09/2014 12:29:32 PM PDT by lexington minuteman 1775
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To: SkyPilot

Paris is next.


3 posted on 03/09/2014 12:30:30 PM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (HELL, NO! BE UNGOVERNABLE!)
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To: SkyPilot

Crimea is gone.

Barry has gone to hit the links.


4 posted on 03/09/2014 12:33:49 PM PDT by mojito (Zero, our Nero.)
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To: SkyPilot


5 posted on 03/09/2014 12:35:38 PM PDT by Diogenesis
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To: SkyPilot

Gates. The same guy who thinks Hillary would make a “great” president.


6 posted on 03/09/2014 12:36:05 PM PDT by july4thfreedomfoundation (I don't want to feel "safe." I want to feel FREE!)
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To: SkyPilot

No feces, Sherlock.

Springtime for Putin, and Russ-i-a...


7 posted on 03/09/2014 12:38:59 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: SkyPilot

Ok, Crimea’s parliament voted in favor of returning the to Russian union, people in Russia are holding massive demonstrations in favor of Crimea returning, massive demonstrations in Crimea supporting the vote -
why is the US exercised over this issue?


8 posted on 03/09/2014 12:40:32 PM PDT by svcw (Not 'hope and change' but 'dopes in chains')
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To: july4thfreedomfoundation

She’d probably be a slight improvement over the current occupier of the White House.


9 posted on 03/09/2014 12:44:01 PM PDT by null and void ( Obama is Law-Less because Republican "leaders" are BALL-LESS!!)
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To: svcw
Right. Maybe I'm not reading this correctly, but it sounds to me like many (most?) of the people in Crimea don't want to remain in Ukraine.

How is this any different than what happened when Czechoslovakia was divided into its two "natural" ethnic regions, or when Yugoslavia broke up into several sovereign states?

10 posted on 03/09/2014 12:45:17 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("I've never seen such a conclave of minstrels in my life.")
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To: Diogenesis

11 posted on 03/09/2014 12:46:08 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: Alberta's Child

You are correct.
These people want to return, Russia wants them to return, the people voted to return, it is none of our damned business.
Crimean people are mostly ethnic Russians, for them its going home.


12 posted on 03/09/2014 12:47:16 PM PDT by svcw (Not 'hope and change' but 'dopes in chains')
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide
Paris is next

No..Scotland is.

13 posted on 03/09/2014 12:48:53 PM PDT by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: Alberta's Child
You're absolutely right. Who are we to decide their borders. We have enough problems with our own.

Several of our states are still having conflicts. Texas for one...that darn Rio Grande.

14 posted on 03/09/2014 12:49:15 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: lexington minuteman 1775

You can’t be “gone” from where you never were.


15 posted on 03/09/2014 12:50:13 PM PDT by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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To: Diogenesis

How on earth did the US get such a consistent lot of bumbling idiots, like Obama and Kerry?


16 posted on 03/09/2014 12:50:28 PM PDT by Marguerite (When I'm good, I'm very good, but when I'm bad, I'm even better)
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To: svcw

It’s a distraction from the TSA purchasing 1,980 sticks of dynamite?


17 posted on 03/09/2014 12:51:22 PM PDT by null and void ( Obama is Law-Less because Republican "leaders" are BALL-LESS!!)
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To: Marguerite

Public skool.


18 posted on 03/09/2014 12:51:42 PM PDT by null and void ( Obama is Law-Less because Republican "leaders" are BALL-LESS!!)
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To: a fool in paradise

Sudetenland is gone. Czechoslovakia is gone. Poland is gone. France is gone. It’s none of our business, is it, Joe Palooka of FR.


19 posted on 03/09/2014 12:52:44 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious! We reserve the right to serve refuse to anyone!)
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To: lexington minuteman 1775
Why does Gates wear a neck brace?

US Defense Secretary bows to Azerbaijan’s Minister of Defense

Because he has no spine.

20 posted on 03/09/2014 12:54:45 PM PDT by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: Marguerite
How on earth did the US get such bumbling idiots, like Obama and Kerry.

We got Obama because McCain and Romney had serious deficits. We got Kerry whom we voted against because Susan Rice is even worse.

And if the 'pubs don't give us a real conservative next election, we'll get hillary.

21 posted on 03/09/2014 12:55:03 PM PDT by grania
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To: svcw

” Crimea’s parliament voted in favor of returning the to Russian union, people in Russia are holding massive demonstrations in favor of Crimea returning, massive demonstrations in Crimea supporting the vote -
why is the US exercised over this issue?”

Mr. SKerry should shut up already and stop digging, when he’s at the bottom of the pit.


22 posted on 03/09/2014 12:55:58 PM PDT by Marguerite (When I'm good, I'm very good, but when I'm bad, I'm even better)
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To: svcw

Serious question...a few years from now when much of the Southwestern US is majority Mexican, various state legislatures controlled by Mexicans vote to return to Mexico, people in Mexico holding massive demonstrations in favor of SW states returning, massive demonstrations in SW states supporting the vote....Should the rest of the US be exercised over the issue?


23 posted on 03/09/2014 12:58:04 PM PDT by rottndog ('Live Free Or Die' Ain't just words on a bumber sticker...or a tagline.)
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To: Yaelle

Of course, nobody but a full blown, “Code Pink”, “Socialism at any cost”, leftard would try to argue that the European union has not become as bad as Russia. Daily Kos types will try to infer that without even arguing it but then, that’s why we make fun of them.

Once the Eurocrats decided to try to get their hooks into the Ukraine at any cost and overcoming any resistance the Ukraine was screwed unless another superpower moved to help them maintain their neutral position.

With Obambi in office, there was no support to be had.


24 posted on 03/09/2014 12:59:06 PM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: svcw

Crimea is “gone?” When did WE ever have it?

Why is the US so worked up over this? Benghazi is no big deal, but let Russia take back territory they controlled for several hundred years and all he’ll breaks out.


25 posted on 03/09/2014 1:00:24 PM PDT by Cowboy Bob (They are called "Liberals" because the word "parasite" was already taken.)
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"I think it's part of a long-term strategy on Putin's part to create a Russian sphere of influence, a Russian bloc," Gates said, adding later: "I don't think he will stop in Ukraine until there is essentially a pro-Russian government in Ukraine, in Kiev."

If the most Russian areas of Ukraine go back to Russia, will that help put a pro-Russian government in Kiev?

Not saying putting a pro-Russian government in charge in Kiev isn't possible, but it seems like Putin has an odd way of going about doing so in the post-Soviet, post-superpower era.

26 posted on 03/09/2014 1:01:06 PM PDT by x
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To: rottndog

How did California join the US in the first place? It was part of Mexico. Under the Mexican constitution, the US had no right to take it.


27 posted on 03/09/2014 1:04:33 PM PDT by Cowboy Bob (They are called "Liberals" because the word "parasite" was already taken.)
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To: mac_truck

No, Texas is next.


28 posted on 03/09/2014 1:04:53 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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To: rottndog

By the time it gets to that point the rest of the U.S. would probably be thrilled to see those states secede and join Mexico.


29 posted on 03/09/2014 1:05:17 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("I've never seen such a conclave of minstrels in my life.")
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To: rottndog

Have the Mexicans in the Soutwest an autonomous republic, whith its own constitution, parliment, government and budget as russophone Crimea has? If they don’t, they cannot claim a breakaway from any State in the US.


30 posted on 03/09/2014 1:06:24 PM PDT by Marguerite (When I'm good, I'm very good, but when I'm bad, I'm even better)
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To: Marguerite

Divine judgment (Isa.3:12)

As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths.


31 posted on 03/09/2014 1:06:44 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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To: Revolting cat!

Well it isn’t!


32 posted on 03/09/2014 1:07:36 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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To: rottndog

***Should the rest of the US be exercised over the issue?***

Yes, but should we expect France to come to our rescue? They may surrender all of California to them.


33 posted on 03/09/2014 1:07:48 PM PDT by ResponseAbility (The truth of liberalism is the stupid can feel smart, the lazy entitled, and the immoral unashamed)
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To: lexington minuteman 1775
Captian Obvious:


34 posted on 03/09/2014 1:08:07 PM PDT by SecondAmendment (Restoring our Republic at 9.8357x10^8 FPS)
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To: Cowboy Bob
How did California join the US in the first place? It was part of Mexico. Under the Mexican constitution, the US had no right to take it.

California was an independent republic briefly before it joined the United States.

35 posted on 03/09/2014 1:09:09 PM PDT by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: lexington minuteman 1775

Doesn’t he have Boy Scouts to corrupt?


36 posted on 03/09/2014 1:10:22 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: x
"If the most Russian areas of Ukraine go back to Russia, will that help put a pro-Russian government in Kiev?"


37 posted on 03/09/2014 1:11:08 PM PDT by Marguerite (When I'm good, I'm very good, but when I'm bad, I'm even better)
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To: rottndog

Serious answer.....there was a war with Spain and the US, Spain went to war with Mexico. Mexico lost, Spain turned the land over to the US.
Mexican does not own or have they ever owned the land they are claiming, it is liberal bovine execrate.
Mexico has an issue with losing the land they need to learn to fight, and win.
The fake anger belongs pointed towards the Spanish.


38 posted on 03/09/2014 1:13:17 PM PDT by svcw (Not 'hope and change' but 'dopes in chains')
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To: grania
"We got Obama because McCain and Romney had serious deficits."


39 posted on 03/09/2014 1:13:25 PM PDT by Marguerite (When I'm good, I'm very good, but when I'm bad, I'm even better)
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To: mac_truck

Crimea declared independence in 1992. It refers to itself as an autonomous republic, with its own constitution.


40 posted on 03/09/2014 1:13:32 PM PDT by Cowboy Bob (They are called "Liberals" because the word "parasite" was already taken.)
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To: Marguerite

Divine retribution.


41 posted on 03/09/2014 1:27:46 PM PDT by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux)
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To: Alberta's Child
"How is this any different than what happened when Czechoslovakia was divided into its two "natural" ethnic regions, or when Yugoslavia broke up into several sovereign states?"

Or when the United States breaks up into Red and Blue...ooops got ahead of myself there.

42 posted on 03/09/2014 1:30:32 PM PDT by mosaicwolf (Strength and Honor)
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To: svcw

I feel their is no reason to oppose Crimea returning to Russian sovereignty . Especially if it is fair and equitale to those who don’t want and choose to leave. Help them to relocate , give them fair value for their property . This could become a new standard for compassionate and mindful partition ; which could and should happen in many other places in this world.


43 posted on 03/09/2014 1:36:52 PM PDT by LeoWindhorse
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To: rottndog
This comparison of the Crimea and Mexico keeps showing up and I'd like help , references in understanding

Re: should the US be concerned about South West voting to go back “home” to Mexico or the concept we stole Mexico's territory in the 1800’s

Didn't Spain control Mexico until the 1821 and the Treaty of Hildago happen in 1848?

I have never understood how Mexico can claim we took their land when they only had it less than 30 years

During those 30 +- years didn't Mexicans living in the Texas and California territories also seek protection from their own Mexican government ?

In the case of the Crimea didn't Russia get aide from the indigenous people of Crimea (Tartars) to throw off Ottoman rule?

44 posted on 03/09/2014 1:38:58 PM PDT by jcon40
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide

“Paris is next”

Perhaps a little far-fetched, but if Putin gets enough leverage, look for NATO to be split with a good number going to the dark side in order to protect themselves.


45 posted on 03/09/2014 1:39:53 PM PDT by Chaguito
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide
Paris is next.

Ridiculous.

46 posted on 03/09/2014 1:46:40 PM PDT by Drew68
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To: lexington minuteman 1775

47 posted on 03/09/2014 1:47:11 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("I've never seen such a conclave of minstrels in my life.")
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To: mac_truck

Ah yes! Now I remember. California, like Texas, became an independent (From Mexico) republic after English speaking immigrants from the US rebelled and declared independence, then petitioned the US for annexation.

The difference in the Ukraine, as I understand it, is that the Russian speaking Crimeans are not immigrants...but I could be wrong.

Then there is the Reconquista movement of Spanish speaking immigrants in the SW US...

“What difference, at this point, does it make?” HRC
“Borders, language, culture” MS


48 posted on 03/09/2014 1:49:52 PM PDT by Chuckster (The longer I live the less I care about what you think.)
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To: lexington minuteman 1775

Captain Krunch Kerry said today if Crimea is gone, then so is diplomacy.

Putin must be deeply saddened, so must be the US State Department, out of work


49 posted on 03/09/2014 1:51:38 PM PDT by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: svcw

because Soros is a wanted man in Russia

This was not how his “investment” in Ukraine politics is supposed to go down. But...the fat lady hasn’t sung yet


50 posted on 03/09/2014 1:54:19 PM PDT by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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