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Why Rand Paul Is Winning
Pajamas Media ^ | 03/09/2014 | Roger Simon

Posted on 03/10/2014 7:36:29 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

Count me as one who was not suprised at the size of Rand Paul’s victory [1] in the CPAC straw poll. I’m only surprised it wasn’t bigger — even though he nearly tripled the votes of his nearest rival Ted Cruz.

You could almost say that Paul is the ONLY interesting candidate on the immediate horizon — Republican or Democrat. I’m not going to badmouth the Republicans (I may have to vote for them), but Hillary is as dull, predictable and reactionary as Obama, if that’s possible. Neither of them has evidenced an ounce of creativity, or even an original thought, while in office.

It is this creativity that distinguishes Paul. He seems future oriented, unlike the rest of the potential candidates who mouth platitudes, liberal and conservative, bashing each other in the most tedious manner imaginable. Yes, the liberal side is by far more repellent, and old fashioned in ideology to the point of ridiculousness, but this does not absolve the right of the need to come up with forward-thinking solutions to the obvious American decline.

That is why Paul appeals to the young who are oriented, as they should be, toward the future. The whole Democratic Party is oriented toward the past and so are, alas, too many of the Republicans. The young see this. They’re smarter than we are. (They still have some brain cells.)

Paul is doing the right thing in seeking to expand the Republican base — appealing directly to minorities and students to explain how conservative/libertarian policies are better for them, instead of running and hiding from these liberal constituencies as Republicans normally do. That Paul is going into the very bowels of the beast in the next few days, UC Berkeley, to give a speech is commendable and dramatic. I wouldn’t be surprised if he had some interesting results. The time is certainly ripe. And beyond that, I think we all know that if we show people some respect they often — though certainly not always — return the favor.

The other potential Republican candidates would be wise to pay attention to Paul, to “learn from Chairman Rand,” as it were. In this digital age, history races along. We all know Obamacare is terrible and the deficit is bad, but if that’s all you have to run on, I don’t think you’re to get where you want. Ideas, please. Big ideas. Fortune favors the daring. (Incidentally, one big idea I might favor is to virtually abolish almost all of the federal government with the exception of defense, and let the states do almost everything. It is here we could “learn from Chairman Rick Perry.” More of this later.)

Speaking of which, as I wrote [2] last week, defense is Paul’s potential Achilles’ heel. He has to figure out how to negotiate his libertarian principles in an obstreperous world that, most of the time anyway, couldn’t care less about them. On a planet occupied by the likes of Vladimir Putin and Ayatollah Khamenei, he needs a foreign policy that doesn’t sound like naive wish fulfillment. Barack Obama already checked that box.

Unfortunately for Paul, in this area in particular he is in a position where the most minor of his tea leaves will be read. I was concerned, for example, that he referenced lyrics by Pink Floyd, and therefore Roger Waters, in his CPAC speech, when Waters has been closely associated [3] with the anti-Semitic BDS movement in the last few years. I sincerely hope this was a mistake or an oversight.

Still, if someone like me — once a neocon of a sort, I suppose — can be interested in Paul, something important must be going on. There’s no doubt that Barack Obama — we can assume inadvertently — has done his best to turn America libertarian. It would be deliciously ironic if that devotee of Saul Alinsky and Frank Marshall Davis would be responsible for electing our country’s first libertarian president (well, at least since the days of the Founders).



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1 posted on 03/10/2014 7:36:29 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

He is too scary for me. especially on forign policy.


2 posted on 03/10/2014 7:39:07 AM PDT by ncfool (Obama's aMeriKa 2012 The land of entitlement for the 51% crowd.)
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To: SeekAndFind

To soon to tell...there is plenty of time for candidates to step on it, as in Rubio.


3 posted on 03/10/2014 7:40:25 AM PDT by PoloSec ( Believe the Gospel: how that Christ died for our sins, was buried and rose again)
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To: SeekAndFind

Rand Paul, Ted Cruz, Rick Perry. Any one of them OK with me.


4 posted on 03/10/2014 7:40:54 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Free advice; libertarianism stops at the border. By disposition we want to leave all alone the evil world. It’s in their best interest to keep it that way.


5 posted on 03/10/2014 7:42:18 AM PDT by steve8714
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To: SeekAndFind

His father won straw polls too. But that was the extent of his wins.


6 posted on 03/10/2014 7:43:35 AM PDT by Starstruck (If my reply offends, you probably don't understand sarcasm or criticism...or do.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I’d rather he spent at least one term as Governor of Kentucky. Let’s see how he would run a state before we give him a chance to run the whole country.


7 posted on 03/10/2014 7:44:02 AM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: ncfool

You could almost say that Paul is the ONLY interesting candidate on the
immediate horizon — Republican or Democrat.

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Didn’t Ron Paul win the CPAC straw poll a few times but never made much
more than a blip on the GOP primary scene. Rand may be a contender but it
is still earlier in the process.


8 posted on 03/10/2014 7:44:41 AM PDT by deport
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To: SeekAndFind

9 posted on 03/10/2014 7:45:18 AM PDT by Red Badger (LIberal is an oxymoron......................)
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To: SeekAndFind
Hulk love neo-conferedate, anti-Semitic stoners!


10 posted on 03/10/2014 7:45:24 AM PDT by thetallguy24
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To: SeekAndFind
From Legal Insurrection:
The poll, which is not a scientific sample by any stretch of the imagination, was dominated by the 18-25 year old age group, which represented 46% of the polling sample.

The next closest age group was the 26-40 year olds, who made up just 18% of the vote.

Sounds a bit like the usual Paulista tactic of swamping the place with bussed-in bodies.

11 posted on 03/10/2014 7:45:43 AM PDT by Paine in the Neck (Socialism consumes EVERYTHING)
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To: SeekAndFind

Rand Paul is winning straw polls the same way his father did. It may just mean the Ron Paul cult is behind him.


12 posted on 03/10/2014 7:45:44 AM PDT by Proud2BeRight
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To: ncfool

At least he HAS a foreign policy.....................;^)


13 posted on 03/10/2014 7:46:39 AM PDT by Red Badger (LIberal is an oxymoron......................)
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To: SeekAndFind

Rand Paul is an open-borders pro-amnesty libertarian.

That’s all I need to know. Next candidate, please!


14 posted on 03/10/2014 7:47:27 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: SeekAndFind

He won the last CPAC straw poll. The CPAC straw poll, as pretty much every other single straw poll, is about as meaningless as anything can possibly be. Right along with that silliness are online polls. Meaningless.

Polling is both art and science. It isn’t just pulling a bunch of people together and asking them questions.


15 posted on 03/10/2014 7:47:44 AM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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To: SeekAndFind
Neither of them [Hillary and Obozo] has evidenced an ounce of creativity, or even an original thought, while in office....................

Ouch! That's gonna leave a mark!...............

16 posted on 03/10/2014 7:47:51 AM PDT by Red Badger (LIberal is an oxymoron......................)
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To: deport

True but Rand won a Senate election in a state that historically is competitive between both parties.

I think he’s far more mainstream than his Dad.


17 posted on 03/10/2014 7:48:06 AM PDT by nascarnation (I'm hiring Jack Palladino to investigate Baraq's golf scores.)
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To: SeekAndFind

It must be the hairpiece. Or using lyrics from anti-semites to illustrate his positions.


18 posted on 03/10/2014 7:48:09 AM PDT by bramps (Go West America!)
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To: Proud2BeRight

Exactly. CPAC straw poll = The Paulistas’ Big Day.


19 posted on 03/10/2014 7:48:18 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Paine in the Neck
Sounds a bit like the usual Paulista tactic of swamping the place with bussed-in bodies.

Ditto what you said ...

20 posted on 03/10/2014 7:48:36 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: Paine in the Neck
The poll, which is not a scientific sample by any stretch of the imagination, was dominated by the 18-25 year old age group, which represented 46% of the polling sample.

The same demographic that gave us you-know-who....................

21 posted on 03/10/2014 7:48:48 AM PDT by Red Badger (LIberal is an oxymoron......................)
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To: SeekAndFind
Apparently pot heads have taken over CPAC


22 posted on 03/10/2014 7:49:00 AM PDT by McGruff (Republicans need to show Obama some RSPECT.)
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To: Starstruck

Winning the CPAC straw poll is like winning and Oscar. The next day it means nothing.................


23 posted on 03/10/2014 7:49:37 AM PDT by Red Badger (LIberal is an oxymoron......................)
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To: SeekAndFind

I think Scott Walker has the best chance and the proven record not to cave to political pressure. That man took a beating by the press and unions but he kept to his guns. And most importantly he has proven he can get a conservative agenda passed in a democrat leaning state.

Put him at the top of the ticket and the rats will be going nuts—watch the lunatics come out and that will drive more to our party. Because Scott Walker has not been successfully painted as a hate monger, racist, idiot, unelectable or any of those things the left tries to do to us, but my oh my have they tried.


24 posted on 03/10/2014 7:50:13 AM PDT by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: SeekAndFind

please. with all the media hoopla, this race is hillary’s to lose. and we best not forget it or WE will be the losers again


25 posted on 03/10/2014 7:50:31 AM PDT by camle (keep an open mind and someone will fill it full of something for you)
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To: SeekAndFind

Big whoop!

Rand Paul wins the RINO-PAC straw poll.

Color me surprised.


26 posted on 03/10/2014 7:55:30 AM PDT by Arm_Bears (Shoot cops that shoot dogs.)
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To: Travis McGee

Open borders?

Is that why he threatened to filibuster the Gang of 8 Shamnesty bill if they didn’t include a “build the fence and verify the border is closed FIRST” amendment?

Doesn’t sound very “open borders” to me.

Come on Travis.

All of our choices this time around have warts, but let’s not adhere to fake ones drummed up by the GOPe machine.


27 posted on 03/10/2014 7:57:20 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Tre Norner eg ber, binde til rota...)
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To: nascarnation

Yes, he is. At least, the votes in the Senate he’s cast are certainly and solidly Right.


28 posted on 03/10/2014 7:58:31 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Tre Norner eg ber, binde til rota...)
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To: SeekAndFind

Runt Paul is a moron Liberaltarian.

If he came out against pot legalization and queer marriage his support would drop to zero.

Any of the young mush heads that would vote for him, would vote for Karl Marx if offered a big sack of dope to smoke with their queer boyfriend!

His thinking would gain zero votes for the GOP.


29 posted on 03/10/2014 8:03:45 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Unions are an Affirmative Action program for Slackers! .)
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To: SeekAndFind

You certainly won’t be able to objectively ascertain if Rand Paul is winning by a CPAC poll. They are notoriously and regularly spammed by Ron/Rand Paul PaulBots.

Each and every year CPAC is held, it’s the same old trick, try and pretend one of the Pauls is the front-runner by giving Ron/Rand Paul supporting college students tickets to CPAC and stack the deck.

They do this with online polls as well.

Given this behavior, I’d say that Ted Cruz was probably comfortably out in front.


30 posted on 03/10/2014 8:05:39 AM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: Dead Corpse; Travis McGee
Is that why he threatened to filibuster the Gang of 8 Shamnesty bill if they didn’t include a “build the fence and verify the border is closed FIRST” amendment?

So, which Rand Paul are we to believe?

The one you are presenting to us, or the one who has an Amenesty plan (A.K.A. Comprehensive Immigration Reform plan) that will grant Amnesty to 2 million Illegal Alien Criminals each and every year?

Here are the links, from last year, where Rand Paul clearly lays out his own Amnesty plan for 2 million illegals per year, based on a "Certification" from a Pro-Amnesty congress that the border is "secure". No Fence, No E-Verify, No punishments for ID Fraud, and all the other misdemeanors and felonies committed by the Undocumented Democrats he wants to pardon.

Sen. Rand Paul: Trust but verify on immigration reform (Feburary 8th, 2013)

Rand Paul’s “Undocumented Citizens” Path to Legality (and Citizenship) (March 20, 2013)

Rand Paul calls on conservatives to embrace immigration reform (March 19, 2013 Article)

Rand Paul's presence-and-jobs amnesty -- WITHOUT E-Verify


No, America Does Not Have “De Facto Amnesty”

GOP's Rand Paul, Dems' Luis Gutierrez in step on immigration reform

Rand Paul: Pathway To Citizenship Is Needed, E-Verify Is Not

Rand Paul On Illegals: Trust But Verify

Steve Deace – Et Tu, Rand Paul?

Paul: Republican Party in Need of Facelift

31 posted on 03/10/2014 8:09:46 AM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: SeekAndFind
Dear Mr. Roger Simon:

Rand Paul won the CPAC straw poll for the same reason he did last year, and the same reason his dear old dad won so many times. That is because Ron Paul/Rand Paul groupies buy up a whole bunch of tickets to CPAC.

P.S. Why are you, a Democrat, concerned with the Republican Party business?

32 posted on 03/10/2014 8:10:28 AM PDT by meadsjn
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To: Dead Corpse

“build the fence and verify the border is closed FIRST” amendment?”

And Owebama would ‘verify’ the border sealed the day the bill was signed.


33 posted on 03/10/2014 8:12:23 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Unions are an Affirmative Action program for Slackers! .)
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To: Beagle8U

RE: If he came out against pot legalization and queer marriage his support would drop to zero.

He already has a public stance on gay marriage.

See here:

http://www.ontheissues.org/senate/Rand_Paul.htm

Rand Paul on gay marriage — No national law on same-sex marriage; leave it to states. (May 2013)

He also made a public pronouncement on drug use.

http://www.ontheissues.org/domestic/Rand_Paul_Drugs.htm

Drug abuse isn’t a pressing issue; 10-20 years is too harsh.


34 posted on 03/10/2014 8:12:26 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: ncfool
He is too scary for me. especially on forign policy.

Want to try Hillary's instead?

But it doesn't matter - the banksters control the battleground states and one of their stooges will get the job in 2016. Jeb, if they think Hillary is too sick to rely on.

35 posted on 03/10/2014 8:14:48 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves (CTRL-GALT-DELETE)
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To: Dead Corpse

Yes, he’s an open border libertarian who will work with the ‘Rats, meaning, the ‘Rats will roll him and we’ll have ten million new ‘Rat welfare voters in no time at all.

I heard him on Laura Ingraham dodging and weaving around her questions. He’s as bad on amnesty as Boehner, just more cagey about hiding it.


36 posted on 03/10/2014 8:19:19 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: SoConPubbie

I agree 100%.


37 posted on 03/10/2014 8:19:59 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Beagle8U

I agree with that too.


38 posted on 03/10/2014 8:20:24 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: SoConPubbie

An “amenesty” is just giving them citizenship. Like Reagan did.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_Reform_and_Control_Act_of_1986

Rand’s plan isn’t even as much of an “Amnesty” as Bush’s plan.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comprehensive_Immigration_Reform_Act_of_2007

Closing the border, making them “go to the back of the line” under current regulations, and cutting off all benefits isn’t an “amnesty”. No matter how much you want it to be.


39 posted on 03/10/2014 8:30:03 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Tre Norner eg ber, binde til rota...)
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To: Travis McGee

He’s not as bad as Reagan, Bush, McCain, or Willard. He’s also a lot better than Christie, Perry, and Rubio.

Maybe not as good as Palin, Nugent, West, or Cruz. Who, IMO, are perfectly acceptable as candidates as well.


40 posted on 03/10/2014 8:31:56 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Tre Norner eg ber, binde til rota...)
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To: Beagle8U

Rand’s amendment was that Congress verified the status of the border. Not the President.

Don’t take my word for it... Read it for yourself. It’s only one page...

http://www.paul.senate.gov/files/documents/TrustButVerify.pdf


41 posted on 03/10/2014 8:34:31 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Tre Norner eg ber, binde til rota...)
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To: SeekAndFind

He already has a public stance on gay marriage.
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Really? So if legalizing gay marriage was on the ballot in Kentucky, which way would Rand Paul vote?


42 posted on 03/10/2014 8:35:04 AM PDT by bramps (Go West America!)
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To: Dead Corpse; P-Marlowe; Travis McGee
An “amenesty” is just giving them citizenship. Like Reagan did.

Same garbage John McCain, GWB, and others tried, lying about the definition of Amnesty.

From www.Merriam-Webster.com:

Full Definition of AMNESTY

: the act of an authority (as a government) by which pardon is granted to a large group of individuals


As pointed out to you by P-Marlowe last night, any Illegal Alien that has been employed in any job in the US has engaged in ID Fraud. Any Illegal Alien that has received health-Care has engaged in ID Fraud.

ID Fraud is a felony.

There are no provisions in Rand Paul's Amnesty plan to punish the Criminal Illegal Aliens according to current US Law, NONE.

They will be made fully legal and they will not be prosecuted for their felonies.

This, according to the current definition of Amnesty above, constitutes Amnesty.
43 posted on 03/10/2014 8:36:22 AM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: SeekAndFind; mickie; pax_et_bonum; Maine Mariner; Chigirl 26; Bob Ireland; flaglady47; ...
Here, the writer, Roger L. Simon, is praising Ron Paul with faint damns.

The thrice married, New York City resident Simon, 70, writes novels and is a "former liberal", so he says. I say he's still a liberal operating under the "Libertarian" cover.

He was a civil rights activist in the 60's, now he's into liberal/Libertine-arian views, such as supporting same-sex marriage.

The Libertarian agenda under conservative cover is cleverly being promoted to the max today, even on these pages, and it will only heighten as the election gets closer. Libertarian accolytes embed themselve into conservative discussion websites and into conservative conferences like CPAC.

Rand Paul is all over the tubes 24/7.......and embedded lib writers like faux-conservative Simon promote him and the party's ideology.

Paul is a likeable little guy and a smooth talker...but beware, he's a TROJAN HORSE stabled in the Republican party.

Too many conservatives are falling for his seductive line. Libertarians regularly pack CPAC sessions with young techies so that a Paul or Paulista will win its straw vote. They work assiduously to draw votes away from the GOP to further their goal of a Libertarian presidency....and Rand Paul is their present poster child.

Remember, amnesty-promoter Paul's first name was not pulled out of thin air.

Leni

44 posted on 03/10/2014 8:38:02 AM PDT by MinuteGal
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To: SoConPubbie

So? Prosecute them. I assume you have a list?


45 posted on 03/10/2014 8:38:05 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Tre Norner eg ber, binde til rota...)
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To: Dead Corpse

I still don’t trust that. There is nothing saying Pelosi won’t be running Congress in a few years.


46 posted on 03/10/2014 8:38:19 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Unions are an Affirmative Action program for Slackers! .)
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To: bramps

Why guess?

http://reason.com/blog/2014/03/04/rand-paul-says-he-believes-in-the


47 posted on 03/10/2014 8:38:44 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Tre Norner eg ber, binde til rota...)
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To: Beagle8U

I don’t trust government. Period. But y’all insist we have one. So here we are...


48 posted on 03/10/2014 8:39:28 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Tre Norner eg ber, binde til rota...)
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To: Dead Corpse

Rand Paul’s immigration plan is about as anti- American as you can get:

Let people come here, work, take their tax money, BUT DON’T LET THEM VOTE???

That is flat out immoral.


49 posted on 03/10/2014 8:41:01 AM PDT by bramps (Go West America!)
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To: Dead Corpse; P-Marlowe
So? Prosecute them. I assume you have a list?

This was covered as well last night with you.

1. E-Verify for all employment.
2. E-Verify for all Social Services with the exception of Health-Care for immediate death, or such things.
3. Pay the extra money necessary to educate your 3rd world kids
4. The Biggie, Enforce the current laws, including fines and imprisonment for employers.

Do this, and you don't have to prosecute, they self-deport.

Take away all their freebies, and their is no reason for them to stay.

You dump 30+ million Undocumented Democrats into the electorate, and there will never be the opportunity for Conservatives to be in leadership of POTUS, or the Congress or the Supreme Court.
50 posted on 03/10/2014 8:43:12 AM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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