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Iranian man bought tickets for stolen passport pair on missing Malaysian Airlines jet
Mirror ^ | 3/10/14 | Andy lines

Posted on 03/10/2014 2:06:39 PM PDT by barmag25

FBI are after Iranian who bought tickets for flight and say Chinese Martyrs Brigade is a red herring.

A mystery Iranian called “Mr Ali” bought tickets for two passengers who used stolen passports on the missing Malaysian plane, it has been revealed.

“Mr Ali” purchased them - in cash - from a travel agent after insisting he wanted “cheap” flights.

(Excerpt) Read more at mirror.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: malaysiairan

1 posted on 03/10/2014 2:06:39 PM PDT by barmag25
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To: barmag25

bkm


2 posted on 03/10/2014 2:10:32 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: barmag25

Mr. Ali, huh?


3 posted on 03/10/2014 2:12:04 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: barmag25

Tehrroran


4 posted on 03/10/2014 2:13:05 PM PDT by bunkerhill7 ("The Second Amendment has no limits on firepower"-NY State Senator Kathleen A. Marchione.")
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To: barmag25

Mr. Ali...cheapest flights from Indonesia to Bali.

No credit? No problem. We’ll finance. Our cash, you carry!


5 posted on 03/10/2014 2:13:14 PM PDT by Fitzy_888 ("ownership society")
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To: barmag25

Do we know for sure mr Ali is Iranian ?

Iran.

This is getting all WWIII ish.


6 posted on 03/10/2014 2:15:57 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: barmag25

If this bears out, expect a strongly worded email from Obama to Iran with a threat of a “really gosh-darn bad” civil action in DC courts.


7 posted on 03/10/2014 2:20:15 PM PDT by nesnah (Liberals - the petulant children of politics)
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To: barmag25

Yahoo, citing the financial times says the pair with the stolen passports were middle eastern

http://news.yahoo.com/paper-reveals-iranian-ticket-purchase-passengers-stolen-passports-133515565.html


8 posted on 03/10/2014 2:20:30 PM PDT by barmag25 (Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? NO!!!)
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To: barmag25

so the FBI was asked by the Thai government to assist?? Certainly they have no authority otherwise, do they?


9 posted on 03/10/2014 2:26:26 PM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-hereQaeda" and its allies.)
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To: All

A top terrorism expert says the use of stolen passports on flight MH370 ‘’eerily’’ resembles a 1994 attack on a Philippines flight by an al-Qaeda-linked hijacker and represents a ‘’massive security failure’’.

http://m.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/malaysia-airlines-passport-theft-echoes-alqaeda-agents-bomb-attack-20140310-34hwd.html


10 posted on 03/10/2014 2:29:05 PM PDT by barmag25 (Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? NO!!!)
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To: no-to-illegals

Question: We know the Malaysians did NOT check the passports departing — would the welcoming country check them on arrival? Assuming they had made it to Amsterdam or wherever their final destination was — just wondering how the arrival end works having never flown internationally myself.


11 posted on 03/10/2014 2:29:12 PM PDT by bunster
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To: barmag25
What are the chances the transponder was somehow deactivated and the plane diverted to a remote airfield?
It can carry lots of fuel (has 9000-mile range fully fueled).
Could they disguise it as another airliner, load a rogue nuke (some are missing from the old Soviet-block inventory), and "deliver" it somewhere?
That would be KAOS - sounds like a job for Control - better call Smart - Maxwell Smart....
12 posted on 03/10/2014 2:30:49 PM PDT by Psalm 73 ("Gentlemen, you can't fight in here - this is the War Room".)
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To: barmag25

If true, the Iranians shouldn’t screw with the Chinese. They have leadership that will respond appropriately.


13 posted on 03/10/2014 2:34:02 PM PDT by Old Yeller (In Latin, the word sinister means left. Which is appropriate for left-wingers.)
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To: bunster

When flying international anywhere in the world your passport gets checked at least 3 times before boarding.


14 posted on 03/10/2014 2:35:14 PM PDT by barmag25 (Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? NO!!!)
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To: barmag25

Should be no problem finding Mr Ali. A very uncommon name in the Middle East.


15 posted on 03/10/2014 2:38:32 PM PDT by Parley Baer
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To: elpadre
Thailand would be within their rights to request FBI assistance if Thai nationals were on board or if the plane went down in Thai territorial waters.
16 posted on 03/10/2014 2:38:53 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: barmag25

re: passport gets checked 3 times

Is that just an official looking at it and seeing if you match the photo? Would that be the “check”?


17 posted on 03/10/2014 2:39:13 PM PDT by bunster
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To: barmag25

http://www.straitstimes.com/

Straits-Times reporting that the jet was turning back toward Kuala Lampur


18 posted on 03/10/2014 2:46:25 PM PDT by bunkerhill7 ("The Second Amendment has no limits on firepower"-NY State Senator Kathleen A. Marchione.")
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To: barmag25

Not in places like Kuala Lumpur, apparently. They checked the passports, and while the holders apparently looked nothing like people of that name (both were Africans, while they had one Italian and one Swiss(?) passport), they let them on through. However, while their visual and inquisitive skills may have been lacking, the real problem is that they never checked the Interpol database of stolen passports. So even if they did look at the passports 3 times, they sure didn’t do it with much attention or ability to detect anomalies.

This was even though these two had one-way tickets together to Amsterdam (thus sparing them another passport check in Beijing) and then separate European destinations after that - bought by a third party with a Middle Eastern name.

I mean, what the heck else did they need? This was one big red flag.


19 posted on 03/10/2014 2:48:50 PM PDT by livius
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To: Psalm 73

http://www.happyzebra.com/distance-calculator/Iran-and-Vietnam.php

Distance from Iran to Vietnam is: 3404.2 Miles

( 5478.6 Kilometers / 2956.2 Nautical Miles )

Approximate flight duration time from Tehran, Iran to Hanoi, Vietnam is 7 hrs, 4 mins


20 posted on 03/10/2014 2:51:12 PM PDT by bunkerhill7 ("The Second Amendment has no limits on firepower"-NY State Senator Kathleen A. Marchione.")
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To: barmag25
1. Fuel enough for 9,000 miles of flight

2. NO wreckage found at all

3. Ticket buyer was Iranian

EQUALS:

777 stolen for future use in dramatic Iranian terror attack...???

21 posted on 03/10/2014 2:59:50 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: Vigilanteman

is there a treaty involved? or just a friendly nation relationship?


22 posted on 03/10/2014 3:02:01 PM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-hereQaeda" and its allies.)
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To: gaijin

It’s hard to believe the Iranian state would sponsor terror against an alley, which is very much what China is to Iran. Iran sells oil in anything BUT the US dollar and China is thier biggest buyer. Both have thier own vested interest in the death of the petro-dollar.

There is however now “good” and “bad” Al Quida. Good Al Quida are the freedom fighters Obama supports in Syria. Bad Al Quida is what we’ve otherwise known for two decades. Is there a real difference? Probably none. Are they allied to anyone beyond some immediate strategic goal? No?

Creating a fracture between China and Iran is a goal of “good” Al Quida and just coincidental coincidence it is US policy.


23 posted on 03/10/2014 3:13:36 PM PDT by Fitzy_888 ("ownership society")
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To: barmag25

What is a lone Boeing 777-200 doing on an Iranian airbase near Konarak Iran northeast of Chabahar Bay at coordinates 25deg 16’ 15.75” N / 60deg 22’ 45.35” E.

Google earth image 3/3/2013. From last year but appears to be a 777-200 in Iran of coast near Straights of Hormuz.


24 posted on 03/10/2014 3:29:34 PM PDT by Mat_Helm
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To: bunster

Mine always gets scanned at check in and then once at security and once more when boarding.


25 posted on 03/10/2014 3:47:16 PM PDT by barmag25 (Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? NO!!!)
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To: Psalm 73

plane diverted to a remote airfield?

According to my Chinese wife who regularly peruses Chinese Web-Sites, some of the people awaiting friends and family have called the cell phones of the missing. The phones ring, but no one answers...

If the phones were wet or destroyed, would they ring?


26 posted on 03/10/2014 3:53:14 PM PDT by Paisan
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To: Paisan

Pretty good article on phone technology here:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2014/03/10/technology-tracks-our-every-move-how-can-an-entire-plane-go-missing/?hpid=z3


27 posted on 03/10/2014 4:01:22 PM PDT by Veto! (Opinions freely dispensed as advice)
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To: barmag25

Scanned passport:

Does scanned mean putting thru some kind of computer or machine — would NOT a canceled/stolen passport show up in a “scan”?

Also — my original question — What happens at Arrival a/p —do they do the same “scan”?

I think after 9/11 the US was especially wary of anyone who booked one-way, AND paid cash — guess we were the only ones — but I would think Europe would be extra vigilant.


28 posted on 03/10/2014 4:04:13 PM PDT by bunster
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To: Paisan
According to my Chinese wife who regularly peruses Chinese Web-Sites, some of the people awaiting friends and family have called the cell phones of the missing. The phones ring, but no one answers... If the phones were wet or destroyed, would they ring?

Yes. The caller hears ringing, but it's just an electronic convenience the cell carrier provides to let the caller know there's an effort to connect. I have called a cell that is dead and hasn't been used in six months, and I hear a ringing noise. Means nothing. As long as the bill is paid, there is going to be a ring.

29 posted on 03/10/2014 4:14:28 PM PDT by ottbmare (the OTTB mare, now a proud Marine Mom)
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To: bunster; barmag25

Never have flown internationally. Have another link on this story only ... http://news.yahoo.com/stolen-passports-probed-malaysian-plane-mystery-174324605—finance.html;_ylt=An1u9GImY7r28XfxiJj_.VYJVux_;_ylu=X3oDMTFyMXFzaGNjBG1pdANBVFQgSG9tZSBUb2RheSBNb2R1bGUgMTEyMTEzBHBvcwM3NwRzZWMDTWVkaWFDZHRUb2RheVYy;_ylg=X3oDMTFkcW51ZGliBGludGwDdXMEbGFuZwNlbi11cwRwc3RhaWQDBHBzdGNhdANob21lBHB0A3BtaA—;_ylv=3


30 posted on 03/10/2014 4:17:10 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: barmag25

Funny how the Chinese have been very quiet about this.


31 posted on 03/10/2014 4:19:10 PM PDT by stuck_in_new_orleans
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To: Paisan

Yes it would ring. lol


32 posted on 03/10/2014 4:20:26 PM PDT by stuck_in_new_orleans
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To: livius
Mr Rahman also noted that five passengers who checked in to fly on the missing airline had not boarded the plane, despite checking in baggage. He said Malaysia Airlines had removed the baggage once it learned they did not board the plane, in line with standard procedure. "This happens all the time," said one aviation expert who asked not to be named. "People get lost in Duty-Free, or in the airport and they just don't make their flight".

Missing Malaysia Airlines Jet article

They are either part of this, or the luckiest bastards in the world. Either way, I'd like to know who they are.

33 posted on 03/10/2014 4:21:34 PM PDT by Defiant (Let the Tea Party win, and we will declare peace on the American people and go home.)
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To: barmag25

The aircraft may re-appear as a carrier for Iran’s nuke to Israel or Washington.


34 posted on 03/10/2014 4:23:03 PM PDT by Rapscallion (First your image. Than your voice. Then location. Now you really are a subject.)
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To: livius

Good summary. I am also curious about the five that checked in and did not board. Granted their luggage was removed, but what items could they have taken into the boarding lounge. The carry on liquids could very well have been used for binary explosives. Were these five passengers in contact with the two on stolen passports? Many questions.


35 posted on 03/10/2014 4:24:00 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the Occupation Media.)
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To: Mat_Helm

Interesting


36 posted on 03/10/2014 4:27:08 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar
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To: Defiant

Last report I read said the five are being investigated.


37 posted on 03/10/2014 4:33:27 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: no-to-illegals

re: the 5 are be3ing investigated

by who? Reading the Yahoo article where it is well known and just accepted fact that “often people fly with fake passports” — an investigation by these people does not make one confident of any answer they come up with.


38 posted on 03/10/2014 4:49:03 PM PDT by bunster
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To: bunster

Inside link at post #30 states the five are being investigated but does not name by whom. Am just repeating what have read inside the link.


39 posted on 03/10/2014 4:52:03 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: bunster

Scanned when checking in, but I don’t know if airlines are scanning Interpol. I think it may just be looking at the no fly list.

When I arrive in most countries it doesn’t get scanned. Just returning back to to the U.S.


40 posted on 03/10/2014 4:53:58 PM PDT by barmag25 (Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? NO!!!)
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To: bunster
Here is something else to think about ...

Interpol: 40 million worldwide cases of passengers travelling with false passports.

41 posted on 03/10/2014 5:00:02 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: barmag25

From what have read, Interpol states they had the passports flagged but the passports were not verified through them for this flight. Seems to be a common practice to not verify through Interpol. Don’t know why is not done unless is too time consuming but am making an assumption and I don’t like making assumptions.


42 posted on 03/10/2014 5:03:28 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: barmag25
I’m baffled, but here are my thoughts on it.

I worked with USAF mobile military Radars for 17 years. Both the TPS-43E and did IOT&E and First Article Test on the TPS-75. For the lay-person, they only know of one type of Radar, and that is the primary Radar that reflects the RF pulse back to the Radar antenna which gives azimuth and range to the aircraft. There is secondary radar which goes under several different acronyms, but the one that people use the most is IFF. That ‘snow plow’ in the front of the curved Radar antenna is the IFF antenna.

IFF Radar sends a pulse toward the aircraft and the aircraft transponder automatically answers it with the appropriate dialed-in code, unless the transponder is turned off or if it is malfunctioning. Aircraft transiting international airspace must have a working transponder or they will be denied entry into another countries airspace. Since Viet Nam said they had it on Radar, the IFF transponder was working. I’ve tracked aircraft through the European Alps using only secondary Radar because the primary Radar RF was getting scattered by the mountains.

Another problem with primary Radar is the curvature of the earth. A Radar antenna mounted on the ground can only ‘see’ an aircraft at ground level only out to about 25 miles. There is a formula that is used to determine distance to horizon based on the altitude of the antenna. Airborne Radar antennas (E-2 and E-3) are the best which is why the military uses them so much.

Now here’s where I’m in a quandary. Using the TPS-43E as an example (ease of math), it turned at 6 rpm. This means that every 10 seconds it made one ration. If I had a primary Radar return on an aircraft at 35K ft, even in a ‘crowbar decent’ (as air traffic controllers call it) I should be able to get at least 3 good returns on it before, well, you know. But I’m not privy anymore to what Radar system the Viet Nam controllers were using, where it is or how reliable it is.

Second factor is that if there was a midair explosion, the debris (parts of the airplane) would create a cloud affect on any Radar in the area indicating what has happened. Think electronic Radar jamming and chaff.

Third problem is the theory that it’s been hijacked. I don’t put into this because the area where the aircraft disappeared is a heavily traveled maritime route. Think of the Washington DC beltway. Any large aircraft flying low to avoid Radar would have been sighted by numerous cargo vessels.

So, has anybody checked out to see where Rod Serling is? (cue Twilight Zone music)

43 posted on 03/10/2014 5:30:58 PM PDT by Traveler59 ( Truth is a journey, not a destination.)
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To: barmag25

One doubts that the Shiite Iranians would be involved with Uighar or Thai terrorists, since Alqaeda is Sunni, and Iran is Shiite. And given that China is a major trading partner for Iran’s oil, I doubt they would bomb a plane and make China angry.


44 posted on 03/10/2014 5:31:58 PM PDT by LadyDoc (liberals only love politically correct poor people)
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To: elpadre

I’m not sure, but I have a friend in the FBI who has been all over the world on various calls, investigations and training assignments.


45 posted on 03/11/2014 3:22:46 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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