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McCain on Ted Cruz: Has he forgotten that Reagan gave amnesty to three million illegals?
Hotair ^ | 03/11/2013 | AllahPundit

Posted on 03/11/2014 5:22:28 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

We’ve reached the point where I honestly can’t tell if he means this as a criticism or not.

However, he did get in some criticism of the speakers, who included Cruz, at the Conservative Political Action Conference last week.

“All of these people at the CPAC will claim that they are Reagan Republicans,” McCain said. “Did they forget that Ronald Reagan gave amnesty to three million Americans? Do they forget that he did raise taxes, that he made an agreement with Tip O’Neill on Social Security, that Ronald Reagan said [the] 11th commandment is you don’t speak ill of your fellow Republicans?”

In the theme of invoking these compromises, McCain also said raising taxes should be an on the table as part of entitlement reform.

“Look, you have to put everything on the table,” he said when asked if a package could include taxes. “If you don’t put everything on the table, then the opposite side says, ‘OK, but we’re not going to agree to, say, raising the retirement age.’ “

Rule one among amnesty fans like Maverick: “Amnesty” is bad. They oppose amnesty. To them, as long as there are some preconditions to securing legal status for illegals — learn English, pay your back taxes, blah blah blah — then the process isn’t “amnesty.” Why would McCain choose to use that word in describing Reagan’s immigration measure in 1986? You could, of course, argue that what Reagan did was even more lax than what McCain’s Gang of Eight proposed, i.e. that Reagan’s law was a true amnesty whereas McCain’s really isn’t, but why would Maverick want to draw that distinction when he’s ostensibly praising Reagan here? He seems to be saying that Reagan’s more moderate moments were a good thing — he compromised and he got stuff done, unlike that incorrigible wacko bird Cruz who’s always scheming for ways to shut down the government. Sounds like he’s sort of claiming Reagan for the center-right, including his record on tax hikes and, er, “amnesty.”

Right? He surely doesn’t mean this in a “Reagan had his flaws too” way. Here’s what he said to another reporter this afternoon when pressed on Paul and Cruz:

Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., weighed in on the debate between Sens. Rand Paul, R-Ky., and Ted Cruz, R-Texas, over Ronald Reagan’s foreign policy legacy.

“I knew Ronald Reagan,” McCain said to the Washington Examiner. “They’re no Ronald Reagan. OK? They’re not.”

Reagan, McCain said, actually reached across the aisle to work with Democrats on national security issues as well as domestic concerns.

“Ronald Reagan used to have drinks with Tip O’Neill,” he said. “Ronald Reagan made an agreement on Social Security that raised taxes.”

Maybe that’s the next rhetorical move on immigration reform from Republican supporters: Win one for the Gipper. (It’s all yours if you want it, Team Rubio.) In that case, is it fair to assume that McCain also agrees with Paul that Reagan was a more complex figure on foreign policy than he’s typically given credit for? I take it Maverick would resist, claiming that Reagan was a superhawk in the McCain mold instead, but there’s just no way that’s true. Show of hands: Who thinks President McCain would have withdrawn from Lebanon after the 1983 Marine barracks bombing? (He did vote against extending the Lebanon mission in the early 80s, but for complex reasons. And the older McCain seems considerably more hawkish than the younger version.) Who thinks President McCain would have withdrawn from anywhere once U.S. troops were in the field? In the McCain foreign-policy cosmology, withdrawal is always proof of a lack of resoluteness and therefore a gesture of provocative weakness. Pulling out under fire only emboldens the enemy. Which raises the question: Who among the three, McCain, Cruz, and Paul, is closest to the Reagan foreign-policy tradition? Or do we not know enough about the latter two to make any judgment yet?


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: amnesty; collaborator; illegals; mccain; tedcruz

1 posted on 03/11/2014 5:22:28 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Senility is not pretty.


2 posted on 03/11/2014 5:24:27 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2M for Sarah Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: SeekAndFind

There’s a reason the Syrian arm of al Qeada didn’t bother decapitating this old fool.


3 posted on 03/11/2014 5:26:42 PM PDT by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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To: SeekAndFind
A mistake as it turned out since no one enforced the border after.

I also found my own glorious mother-in-law (who my wife and I don't speak to - Mexico) actually like many others came in here and claimed amnesty by paying $600 to someone to fake her papers (fraud) to say she was here before and had a job. MIL came here AFTER the amnesty (as many others also did) after 30 years here she speaks no English still and manages food stamps, EBT, and maybe got herself on disability on our nickel.

Oh sure, what is wrong, please send more?

4 posted on 03/11/2014 5:27:01 PM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Reagan learned, to his dismay, that selective enforcement destroys Rule of Law, and that liberals are intentionally dishonest


5 posted on 03/11/2014 5:27:27 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I thought McCain, Kennedy and Biden voted against the 1986 amnesty because it was too harsh on enforcement.


6 posted on 03/11/2014 5:28:38 PM PDT by ObamahatesPACoal
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To: SeekAndFind

Oh shut up McQueeg. Go find some of that duct tape that your wifie and daughter were so famous for ...


7 posted on 03/11/2014 5:29:05 PM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: SeekAndFind

And the RAts also promised to tighten border security in exchange.


8 posted on 03/11/2014 5:29:25 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Haven't you lost enough freedoms? Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Reagan said it was his mistake. FU McDemocRat.


9 posted on 03/11/2014 5:29:36 PM PDT by VRWC For Truth (Roberts has perverted the Constitution)
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To: SeekAndFind

Even the devil can cite Reagan for his purpose.


10 posted on 03/11/2014 5:30:43 PM PDT by MUDDOG
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To: SeekAndFind

You mean the 3 million that turned out to be three times that number, John?


11 posted on 03/11/2014 5:30:54 PM PDT by stilloftyhenight (...staying home isn't an option.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Big mistake by Reagan. We lost Ca.


12 posted on 03/11/2014 5:31:11 PM PDT by US_MilitaryRules (Tastes like Heaven, Burns like Hell! Mmmmmm. What is it?)
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To: SeekAndFind

And to you McCain I say, don’t forget the democrats lied and cheated with the 1986 amnesty. And McCain, how about that 11th commandment? You spend more time bashing republicans than the democrats.


13 posted on 03/11/2014 5:32:03 PM PDT by Organic Panic
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To: SeekAndFind

Do it again and we lose New Mexico, Texas, and Arizona.


15 posted on 03/11/2014 5:32:10 PM PDT by US_MilitaryRules (Tastes like Heaven, Burns like Hell! Mmmmmm. What is it?)
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To: SeekAndFind

Reagan was told it would be no more then 1.3 million and also that it would be the last amnesty.

It was 3 million (Kennedy lied, he knew that), no one understood that every amnestied illegal would bring in 3 more people legally, and Reagan also didn’t understand that this amnesty would encourage far more illegal immigration in hope of a new amnesty.

McCain is full of crap. Reagan regretted it and said so.


16 posted on 03/11/2014 5:33:14 PM PDT by Regulator
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To: SeekAndFind
McCain reveals his basic demented thinking here. You don't grant amnesty to "three million Americans." You grant amnesty to three million aliens who then squirrel their way into becoming Americans.
17 posted on 03/11/2014 5:35:39 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Bump.
18 posted on 03/11/2014 5:36:13 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: ObamahatesPACoal

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/99-1986/h860

Nay R McCain, John AZ 1st
Nay R Kolbe, Jim AZ 5th
Aye D Schumer, Chuck NY 10th
Aye R Lott, Trent MS 5th
Aye D Durbin, Richard IL 20th

Aye R McConnell, Mitch KY
Aye D Leahy, Patrick VT
Nay R Goldwater, Barry AZ
Nay D Pryor, David AR
Aye R Specter, Arlen PA
Nay D Kennedy, Ted MA
Nay D Kerry, John MA
Nay D Biden, Joseph D
Aye D Dodd, Christopher CT
Aye D Nunn, Samuel GA
Aye R Cochran, Thad MS
Nay R Helms, Jesse NC
Aye R Dole, Robert KS
Aye R Grassley, Chuck IA
Aye R Lugar, Richard IN
Aye R Wilson, Pete CA

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/99-1985/s191

I noticed all the Republicans from New Mexico and Texas at the time voted no.

Liberals like McCain thought it was harsh.


19 posted on 03/11/2014 5:45:08 PM PDT by ObamahatesPACoal
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To: SeekAndFind
Has he forgotten that Reagan gave amnesty to three million illegals?

That really solved the problem, didn't it?

20 posted on 03/11/2014 5:49:48 PM PDT by Hugin
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To: SeekAndFind

Why didn’t the snipers get him in Ukraine?


21 posted on 03/11/2014 5:50:02 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: SeekAndFind

“Did they forget that Ronald Reagan gave amnesty to three million Americans?”

Juan, do you mean the three million who have turned into nine million democrat voters?


22 posted on 03/11/2014 5:53:25 PM PDT by mtrott
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To: SeekAndFind

I guess this means we should let 3 billion immigrants in.


23 posted on 03/11/2014 5:54:41 PM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (At no time was the Obama administration aware of what the Obama administration was doing)
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To: SeekAndFind

So BFD, McLame. What a stupid line of reasoning.


24 posted on 03/11/2014 6:03:23 PM PDT by SgtHooper (If at first you don't succeed, skydiving is not for you.)
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To: SeekAndFind

He remembers that none of the promises made to Reagan for the amnesty ever came true. Reagan remembered, too.


25 posted on 03/11/2014 6:03:55 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (If Barack Hussein Obama entertains a thought that he does not verbalize, is it still a lie?)
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To: SeekAndFind

John McCain, have you forgotten how to tie your shoes?


26 posted on 03/11/2014 6:11:08 PM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (At no time was the Obama administration aware of what the Obama administration was doing)
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To: SeekAndFind
“Did they forget that Ronald Reagan gave amnesty to three million Americans?"

Reagan didn't have the historical perspective to look back on and see the rats promise tougher immigration enforcement in return for amnesty and then renege on their promise.

Reagan had the honesty to actually call it amnesty.

Really, Senator McCain, it's time for you to STFU and move on. It's obvious that you are no longer working for the benefit of America but for your personal interests, at the expense of America.

27 posted on 03/11/2014 6:14:26 PM PDT by Washi (Stop Obama's War On Jobs)
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder
And that was supposed to fix the problem NOT be a recourring event
28 posted on 03/11/2014 6:15:13 PM PDT by Bidimus1
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To: SeekAndFind

What an SOB John McCain is.

Reagan approved the bill based on two issues:

1. there would only be 1.5 million people estimated to receive amnesty. The true total was 3.5 million.

2. The border would be made secure. It never was.

His old pal Ted Kennedy lied through his teeth about the 1986 bill.

Including the part where Teddy said “WE WILL NEVER ASK THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AGAIN TO APPROVE AN AMNESTY BILL.”

28 years is not never.

I am so sick of hearing/seeing John McStain on the news every darn day. Shut up, ya old coot!


29 posted on 03/11/2014 6:16:37 PM PDT by exit82 ("The Taliban is on the inside of the building" E. Nordstrom 10-10-12)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Mccloony has forgetten his meds


30 posted on 03/11/2014 6:28:25 PM PDT by ronnie raygun (zippy the a##clown sez..............................)
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To: exit82
"Did they forget that Ronald Reagan gave amnesty to three million Americans"

Gee John, HOW does somebody give amnesty to an "AMERICAN"?

How can a US Senator be this stupid?

If I sneak into Italy illegally, I'm NOT "Italian", no matter what anyone says.

31 posted on 03/11/2014 6:35:10 PM PDT by boop (I just wanted a President. But I got a rock.)
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To: SeekAndFind

R.R. gave amnesty to 3 million illegals, and now they vote for Democrats.

That was as stupid as McCain.

Learning from your mistakes shows mental growth and not repeating the mistakes shows common sense.

McCain lacks both


32 posted on 03/11/2014 6:39:19 PM PDT by Zenjitsuman (New Boss Nancy Pelosi)
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To: A CA Guy

“A mistake as it turned out since no one enforced the border after.”

This was one of the few major errors made by Reagan. What happened was that he and Tip O’Neil supposedly had a deal, “one Old Irishman to another”. But Tip, as all Democrats do, lied to Reagan and never kept his part of the deal. Reagan should have followed his own “trust but verify” commandment. Or as Ann Coulter puts it, “never trust a Liberal over three years old”.


33 posted on 03/11/2014 6:43:56 PM PDT by snoringbear (E.oGovernment is the Pimp,)
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To: SeekAndFind

no, no one has forgotten

and no one has forgotten than Congress refused to carryout its oversight role to see to it that amnesty would not be needed again, and between an absent Congress and negligent presidents, the security demands approved with the amnesty were never enforced sufficient to do as promised - end illegal immigration

no McPain, we haven’t forgotten

that’s why we say never again


34 posted on 03/11/2014 6:44:22 PM PDT by Wuli
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To: Zenjitsuman
RE: Learning from your mistakes shows mental growth and not repeating the mistakes shows common sense.

McCain lacks both



35 posted on 03/11/2014 6:55:02 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

“Did they forget that Ronald Reagan gave amnesty to three million Americans?”

I hate (not really) to be a grammar and rhetoric crank, but if they were Americans, then why did Reagan need to give them amnesty?


36 posted on 03/11/2014 6:56:26 PM PDT by cdcdawg (Be seeing you...)
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To: SeekAndFind

That amnesty of 3 million illegals sorta opened up the flood gates, didn’t it?

President “Ike” took a different view after WW II and deported 5 million illegals in “Operation Wetback”. Yet, people continue to say there are too many to deport. ...So, it could be done with trains in the 1950s, but with our vastly improved transportation services of today it just can’t be done?

I’m tired of hearing the ‘amnesty dogs’ of both parties continuing to claim there are ‘11 million undocumented immigrants’. That’s the figure that was being used back in 2005-2007, when Bush 43 tried for amnesty and failed.

Since the Obama regime has refused to provide border security and deportation laws for illegal aliens, including those who crossed and those whose visas expired, the number of illegals in the US is now probably closer to 25-30 million.


37 posted on 03/11/2014 6:59:30 PM PDT by octex
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To: US_MilitaryRules
He screwed California as Governor, he gave us withholding tax to pay for his extreme spending and packing the State with government employees so on a one time basis the budget was balanced in his last year by getting 2 years taxes in one year.

As President he gave us the biggest tax increase in history, the 1986 Tax Simplification Act.

38 posted on 03/11/2014 7:03:22 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: SeekAndFind

Has McCain forgotten that the Rats double-crossed Reagan on the deal. It was supposed to be amnesty for closing the border. He agreed to amnesty if the Rats agreed to fix the illegal immigration problem. Guess what? Democrats did what Democrats ALWAYS do . . . they lied and deceived.

McCain disgusts me. . . .


39 posted on 03/11/2014 7:05:58 PM PDT by RatRipper (The political left are utterly evil and corrupt)
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To: SeekAndFind

Damn Juan McLame needs to STFU about anything. The only good thing he can say is “I’m retiring”.


40 posted on 03/11/2014 7:06:35 PM PDT by X-spurt (CRUZ missile - armed and ready.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Yeh Juan so why not give amnesty to 30 million more right?


41 posted on 03/11/2014 9:27:04 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: SeekAndFind
"Reagan, McCain said, actually reached across the aisle to work with Democrats on national security issues as well as domestic concerns."

The communists in the current House and Senate are democrats in name only. Reagan would have been a lot more cautious trying to works with them. Reagan was also capable of learning from mistakes, which is another reason McCain should retire before he does any more harm.
42 posted on 03/11/2014 10:47:44 PM PDT by clearcarbon
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To: SeekAndFind
Has Juan McLame forgotten that the bill Reagan signed failed to achieve the intention of stemming the torrent of illegal immigrants?
Previous Immigration bills in 1965 and the 1986 Immigration Reform Control Act (Simpson/Missoli Act of 1986) only made matters worse.
Senile dementia? Maybe, but evidence suggests McLame has always been a dunce, and that his daughter inherited his stupid gene.
Which reminds me, in 2016 I'd to vote FOR a candidate, and not AGAINST a candidate, thank you very much.
43 posted on 03/12/2014 6:30:57 AM PDT by Amagi (Lenin: "Socialized Medicine is the Keystone to the Arch of the Socialist State.")
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To: A CA Guy
A mistake as it turned out since no one enforced the border after.

Dead Ted (now sober 4 years 7 months) lied as do ALL "liberals":


   "This amnesty will give citizenship to only 1.1 to 1.3 million illegal
   aliens.  We will secure the borders henceforth.  We will never again
   bring forward another amnesty bill like this."

                         - Ted Kennedy, 1986
Yep, just another lying Masshole; now replaced by Lieawatha Warren as senator.
44 posted on 03/12/2014 6:54:08 AM PDT by Peet (Oderint dum metuant)
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To: SeekAndFind

“11th commandment is you don’t speak ill of your fellow Republicans”

Only McLame could say that with a straight face!


45 posted on 03/12/2014 6:56:41 AM PDT by ThomasMore (Islam is the Whore of Babylon!)
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To: SeekAndFind

“Did they forget that Ronald Reagan gave amnesty to three million Americans”

No John... we haven’t forgotten. But we remember that YOU and the rest of congress (it was a RAT congress) forgot to hold up YOUR end of that deal by CLOSING the effin border. You have earned the nickname McLAME!


46 posted on 03/12/2014 6:58:23 AM PDT by ThomasMore (Islam is the Whore of Babylon!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Have WE forgotten McLame is a worthless ‘rat loving idiot ?


47 posted on 03/12/2014 11:09:48 AM PDT by jimt (Fear is the darkroom where negatives are developed.)
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