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To: MMaschin
'Natural' means that you are naturally a citizen of just one country. 'Native' means your born on that soil. NBC and Dual Citizens are two exclusively separate sub-catagories of 'Native'.


12 posted on 03/13/2014 11:30:26 PM PDT by chopperman
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To: chopperman

Interesting chart. You may find my post above interesting, as well.


13 posted on 03/13/2014 11:47:15 PM PDT by Unc1e_Ivan (People sleep peacefully in bed at night because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf)
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To: chopperman
John Sidney "Crash" McCain, III, falls into the lower-right corner of your chart, having been born in Panama of US citizen parents.

Therefore, your chart is BS. Because, Crash, despite being a blithering RINO idiot, is Natural Born and fully qualified as far as the Constitution is concerned.

15 posted on 03/14/2014 12:22:10 AM PDT by cynwoody
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To: chopperman
'Natural' means that you are naturally a citizen of just one country. 'Native' means your born on that soil. NBC and Dual Citizens are two exclusively separate sub-catagories of 'Native'.

My kids, from the instant of their birth were American citizens, Canadian citizens, and British citizens.

My wife was born in England, immigrated to Canada when she was 8, and became a Canadian citizen in her teens. After college, she accepted a position in the US, and became a US citizen after that - before our kids were born.

When she became a US citizen, she was told that the US does not recognize her other citizenships. She looked into whether she was required to renounce her other citizenships, and Great Britain, said she could not renounce it, and that she would always be British, and Canada basically said we don't care, you can, but you don't need to. Some people have the idea that when you become a naturalized US citizen, you renounce any other citizenship you have - that is incorrect. While you do need to take an oath of allegiance to the US, and renounce all foreign 'allegiances', they do not require you to renounce an citizenship(s) you currently have.

So, at the time of the kids births, she continued to be Canadian, and British, and because of that, the kids became Canadian, and British at the time of their births.

In order to be an NBC, it doesn't matter if you have dual, or in the case of my kids tri-citizenship, it's about how you got your American citizenship.

They became Canadian, and British, because those countries have written (positive) laws granting them citizenship. Therefore they became 'naturalized' citizens of Canada, and Great Britain at the time of their births. For their US citizenship, they required no positive law for their citizenship, and therefore were US citizens by natural law - ergo natural born Citizens.

An easy way to understand what a NBC is, is if you take away every law created by the government granting citizenship, the 14th Amendment, the Immigration and Naturalization Act, every piece of positive law - and you would still be a US citizen, then you are citizen by natural law, ergo an NBC.
40 posted on 03/14/2014 7:05:04 AM PDT by MMaschin
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