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To: ek_hornbeck; Jim Robinson

“Laws against drug use or sodomy laws are there to protect people from themselves. I disagree with such laws, and they would be redundant in a world where people were financially responsible for their actions.”

That is Libertarian idiocy and why Libertarians like Rand Paul SHOULD NOT call themselves “conservative” or “republican.” Besides, laws against “illicit drugs & sodomy” are NOT just to protect people from themselves...but to protect society from those people.

You are ENTIRELY wrong about placing fiscal matters ahead of morale concerns....and you are COMPLETELY wrong if you think fixing fiscal issues will promote morale behavior. No, fixing “fiscal” issues without first addressing moral behavior may at best produce some momentary prosperity...which in of itself NEVER produces a moral society.

Please stop screwing up the Republican Party with Libertarian (Libertine) lawlessness. Stay in your OWN party. The GOP belongs first to its social/morale conservative base.


229 posted on 03/17/2014 4:03:17 PM PDT by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: Sola Veritas
I fail to see the difference between your "we need a war on drugs to protect society from drug addicts" is any different from "we need to bring back Prohibition to protect society from alcoholics and drunks." We tried that a century ago, how did that work out for us?

No, fixing “fiscal” issues without first addressing moral behavior may at best produce some momentary prosperity...which in of itself NEVER produces a moral society

I pointed out that it's a lot easier to be a long-term drug addict (or a drunk) in a society with a welfare state such as ours than in a society without one. That's a clear-cut example of how fiscal conservatism can correct anti-social behavior in people by creating a very strong disincentive against engaging in such behavior. Will this eliminate vice entirely? Of course not. Neither has "the war on drugs," nor did Prohibition. The difference is that the solution I propose doesn't require a bloated law-enforcement bureaucracy and a penal system that incarcerates people at a higher rate than China in order to be implemented.

Incidentally, I'm not a (capital L) Libertarian. They lost me by advocating open borders, as did Rand Paul. That doesn't mean that they don't have good arguments on other issues.

230 posted on 03/17/2014 4:27:11 PM PDT by ek_hornbeck
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