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To: Marcella

With respect to $ and greed, I believe vote fraud is going to happen no matter what unless and until the punishment is severely increased (minimum 10 year mandatory, no parol). In conjunction, nullifying any and all elections where fraud is proved. Sure, many negatives come with that but hopefully the integrity of our system would eventually prevail. The life of this country depends on it. How can one argue against the obvious that our current system is designed to accommodate vote fraud. I appreciate your take but here’s a few ideas that politicians should pursue that could possibly improve the integrity of our system. The mandate of voter photo ID, eliminate motor voter registration, ink one finger, hand written ballot votes, eliminating absentee ballots as well as on line voting, e machines and mandate a triplicate count of all ballots using different people to count. Certainly the process will take longer but expanding the time of the election process could remedy that. Incorporating these things just might work. Maybe some things to address at a Con Con. Just my opinion.


17 posted on 03/21/2014 11:26:49 AM PDT by drypowder
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To: drypowder; Jim Robinson; onyx
First, each state has to follow the federal election laws passed after the Florida fiasco. That was to make elections across the states more uniform. Texas had to rewrite some laws to comply and every state had to do that. The process between states can differ as to how they comply with the federal law. I am writing how Texas law changed to meet those federal requirements and some laws did not have to be changed. No matter which state you are from, that state has requirements to make sure elections are fairly held and they had laws to do that before the new federal laws were passed. Election law didn't start with the newer federal ones.

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“nullifying any and all elections where fraud is proved.”

That would be rare because the state budget allows for “x” money to be spent on that election - they don't have the money to hold another complete election unless it is an extremely serious problem. That is why it is vitally important to make sure your county follows the law when the election season starts. However, there could be some catastrophic occurrence before the election so that election could not be held to start with.

“mandate of voter photo ID”

Most people don't understand what a picture ID is designed to do. It has one purpose on election day and that is at a polling place. If I represent myself as “Betty Grable” and I have her voter picture ID, the judge knows I am NOT Betty Grable because I don't look like that picture, therefore I cannot vote using the name of Betty Grable. I will be turned away from the polling place. Before picture ID, I could say I was Betty Grable and have an electric bill from that address with her name on it as ID, and I could vote as Betty Grable. Understand, different states will have various types of ID one could have but not all of them had to have a picture on them. Now, any state that requires a picture, won't accept those other means of non-picture ID. That particular voter fraud will be mostly curtailed with a picture ID.

“eliminate motor voter registration”

When the federal government wrote new election laws after the Florida election, the master voter list for a state was turned over to the Secretary of State of every state. Counties can no longer assume the person registering to vote is a citizen because the person checked a box saying he/she was a citizen. That paperwork has to go to the Secretary of State to be validated as a citizen and that department has the authority to check birth certificates or whatever they need to check to prove that person is a citizen. Only then, after that proof, will a voter be added to the official county list. Motor voter works the same, the SOS has to check for citizenship.

“ink one finger”

When a voter votes, his/her name on the voter list at the polling place is stamped “Voted” or another method is used to show that person voted. The person cannot return to vote again due to the list showing he/she has voted. That person can't go to another polling place because people with that address have to vote at the polling place where they just voted due to address. If they go to a polling place that doesn't cover that address, they cannot vote there.

“hand written ballot votes”

That would be a nightmare because people wouldn't write the names of candidates correctly, and a million errors would happen that couldn't be fixed. That one will never happen.

“eliminating absentee ballots”

You just kept grandma and grandpa who can't leave the house and Carl who is 30 but in the hospital, and Mary who never learned to drive a car so has no way to get there, and the elderly who live at a nursing home, from voting. They vote by mail and you cannot cut them out of voting just because their legs won't work or because they are sick or because they can't drive a car, or are in a nursing home. Absentee ballots will remain. It is the checking of those ballots using the law that finds and kicks out the fraudulent ones.

“triplicate count of all ballots using different people to count”

If there is a question about the count of ballots in a race, this is already done but not in triplicate which isn't needed. An equal amount of Democrats and Republicans meet at the courthouse and a recount of each ballot is done with one Republican sitting with a Democrat so each counts that ballot at the same time.

There is no election that won't have problems due to humans being involved, but if due diligence is taken by the Democrat and Republican chairman of every county, their election will have much less corruption, maybe even none.

If the Secretary of State in a state is allowing violation of elections laws of the state, then raise hell to the governor to get a new Secretary of State to oversee the election division of that office.

I wonder if you have ever spoken to your Republican County Chairman to find out what he/she does to make sure elections in the county are fairly held? You could even volunteer to help.

18 posted on 03/21/2014 1:04:11 PM PDT by Marcella ((Prepping can save your life today.))
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