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To: annalex

” It did not allow Ukrainians to vote in Ukraine”.

Are you hanging on fat drunk Khrusthev’s straws?

Falklands referendum didn’t allow the Brits to vote in UK.

Kosovo referendum didn’t allow Serbs to vote in Serbia.

Scotland referendum won’t allow the Brits to vote in UK.

Catalonia referendum won’t allow Spaniards to vote in Spain.

Get over it. Crimea is back to Russia where it has belonged since 1774 , after the Russian-Ottoman war under Catherine the Great. The Russian people of Crimea are happy. Why would you grudge them that?


84 posted on 03/16/2014 1:09:44 PM PDT by Marguerite (When I'm good, I'm very good, but when I'm bad, I'm even better)
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To: Marguerite
At the very least we need a readiness of Ukraine to accept the results of the referendum free from a threat of war under which it is today. Ukraine could, for example, offer to respect the referendum in Crimea in return for a peace treaty with RF that gets Russia (again!) to guarantee the rest of the border.

Such were the conditions of the Falklands 2013 referendum: Britain supports self-determination for Falklands (Falkland Islands sovereignty referendum, 2013), and of course, there is no threat of war anywhere. Similarly, the Scotland referendum is agreed to by the British government Scottish independence referendum, 2014

In Kosovo in 2008 there had been a de-facto independence from Serbia in place, and an international force (not Serbian force or Albanian force) was present under an UN mandate. The country was immediately recognized as independent by the world community. To the extent that Kosovo established a precedent at all, in order to follow it RF should get the war criminals in green out and then wait till (1) the Russian ethnics in Crimea suffer violence and (2) an international peacekeeping force takes charge in Crimea.

I would not be disappointed if one day Crimea joins Russia where it seems to culturally belong, but unless it is done in a civilized manner both Russia and Crimea will remain losers.

89 posted on 03/16/2014 1:42:23 PM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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