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AIR FORCE: CHRISTIANS' RELIGIOUS SPEECH NOT LEGALLY PROTECTED RIGHT
breitbart.com ^ | March 16, 2014 | KEN KLUKOWSKI

Posted on 03/16/2014 7:01:44 PM PDT by ilovesarah2012

Christians in the U.S. military are being told they must forfeit their First Amendment rights. Bible verses are being erased from cadets’ personal dorm-room white boards, and military lawyers claim that legal protections for religion only pertain to matters such as clothing and growing beards but do not extend to any religious expression such as talking about one's faith or posting a Bible verse.

Last year Breitbart News broke the story of a campaign by anti-Christian extremists to suppress traditional Christian expression within the U.S. military. There were conflicting stories regarding the possible court martial of service members who share the gospel of Jesus Christ and confirmed reports of military chaplains being officially censored, as well as Bibles temporarily banned from the Walter Reed military hospital.

After these stories went viral on the Internet, Republicans in Congress launched an investigation, then introduced legislation to specify that religious expression is a protected right for men and women serving in uniform. Although President Obama originally threatened to veto the legislation, those protections were signed into law in December 2013.

Now these new protections are being put to their first test. Military officers at the Air Force Academy in Colorado Springs are saying that the Obama-Hagel Pentagon does not regard these new protections as encompassing religious speech or writing. As such, cadets are not allowed to post Bible verses on their personal white boards in their dorm rooms.

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TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 1stamendment; 666; atheismandstate; bho44; bhodod; gaymilitary; homosexualagenda; moralabsolutes; obamalegacy; obamaonreligion; religiousfreedom; religiousliberty; religiouspersecution; usafa; waronchristianity; waronreligion; worldisgoingbonkers
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1 posted on 03/16/2014 7:01:44 PM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: ilovesarah2012

Obama went to bat for an Islamic jihadist. Claimed he shot up fellow Americans at Fort Hood because of “workplace harassment” over his religion and pre-deployment stress disorder.

FUBO


2 posted on 03/16/2014 7:04:17 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (The Texas judge's decision was to pave the way for same sex divorce for two Massachusetts women.)
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To: ilovesarah2012

I’m sure that Koran verses are just peachy fine with the new gay friendly military.


3 posted on 03/16/2014 7:05:05 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds)
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To: ilovesarah2012

But Obama said he’s a Christian...


4 posted on 03/16/2014 7:06:24 PM PDT by Telepathic Intruder (The only thing the Left has learned from the failures of socialism is not to call it that)
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To: Telepathic Intruder

There will soon be nothing left of America.


5 posted on 03/16/2014 7:07:27 PM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: ilovesarah2012

Obama regime, driving Christians out of the military, inviting Muslims in and allowing them to wear hijabs and have beards...I can see a future where the US military is able to fire on American citizens.


6 posted on 03/16/2014 7:13:18 PM PDT by RginTN
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To: ilovesarah2012

Someone should form the First Church of Christian Queers or something, then just dare them to touch it...


7 posted on 03/16/2014 7:15:53 PM PDT by bigbob (The best way to get a bad law repealed is to enforce it strictly. Abraham Lincoln)
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To: ilovesarah2012

The government owns both the dorm rooms and white boards. They do not, however, own the words of the cadets when not performing official duties.


8 posted on 03/16/2014 7:16:49 PM PDT by centurion316
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To: ilovesarah2012
This is not the USAF of LeMay, Spatz, Arnold, or mine, or that of my Father, Uncles, and cousins. It has become something else.
9 posted on 03/16/2014 7:18:20 PM PDT by vetvetdoug
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To: ilovesarah2012

We are falling.

Terminal velocity.


10 posted on 03/16/2014 7:18:29 PM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: ilovesarah2012

Hope one of those conservative law firms out there takes this one on.... particularly since muslims are allowed all sorts of verbiage (e.g. Hassan’s lectures and shoot em up at Ft. Hood)


11 posted on 03/16/2014 7:18:32 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: ilovesarah2012

The AFA trains officers. Officers swear the Oath of Office. The Oath of Office directs the officer to support and defend the Constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic. The Constitution is "only fit for a moral and religious people. It is wholly unsuited to the governance of any other kind". The morality and religious beliefs of the Constitutional authors were inarguably prominently Judeo-Christian. Ergo, the best cadets are those well founded in Judeo-Christian morality and religion. The enemies of the Constitution ought go pound sand.


12 posted on 03/16/2014 7:20:48 PM PDT by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: ilovesarah2012

Republicans in Congress.. introduced legislation to specify that religious expression is a protected right for men and women serving in uniform. Although President Obama originally threatened to veto the legislation, those protections were signed into law in December 2013.

Now these new protections are being put to their first test. Military officers at the Air Force Academy in Colorado Springs are saying that the Obama-Hagel Pentagon does not regard these new protections as encompassing religious speech or writing.
***Wait, what? Doesn’t it PRECISELY denote that religious expression is protected? Somehow speech or writing is NOT “expressing” something?


13 posted on 03/16/2014 7:21:20 PM PDT by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: ilovesarah2012

Our military has now been sodomized, feminized, homosexualized and now is being purged of any PERSONAL religious expression, despite having allowed it since 1775 with no problems

I would not want a family member serving in this “revamped” military.


14 posted on 03/16/2014 7:23:46 PM PDT by LowTaxesEqualsProsperity
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To: ilovesarah2012

Marxists do not want any God to compete with their God...the State.


15 posted on 03/16/2014 7:31:27 PM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: vetvetdoug
This is not the USAF of LeMay, Spatz, Arnold, or mine, or that of my Father, Uncles, and cousins. It has become something else.

I agree. It is not my Air Force nor is the entire US Military. The politicians have installed some of the worst political hacks in the upper echelons of the military and are turning it into a force that is not to be admired but disdained.

Allowing every freak and atheist to wear the uniform while telling the morally straight and true warriors to leave will turn them into the next generation of Waffen SS.

16 posted on 03/16/2014 7:32:40 PM PDT by OldMissileer
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To: ilovesarah2012

So, this means the AF JAG is just gonna shutter the cadet chapel?

Or turn it into a bath house?


17 posted on 03/16/2014 7:33:15 PM PDT by Regulator
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To: ilovesarah2012; blueyon; KitJ; T Minus Four; xzins; CMS; The Sailor; ab01; txradioguy; ...

Active Duty/Retiree ping.


18 posted on 03/16/2014 7:33:48 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar
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To: ilovesarah2012

I wonder how the Pentagon would respond to members of the military attending church off the military bases in nearby towns in uniform as a protest against their religious rights being taken from them.


19 posted on 03/16/2014 7:35:04 PM PDT by batterycommander (a little more rubble, a lot less trouble)
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To: Don Corleone

The main Marxist atheist JERK who is screwing over Christianity in the USAF is the fist waving Mikey Weinstein.

By appointment to the President, BTW.


20 posted on 03/16/2014 7:35:27 PM PDT by elcid1970 ("In the modern world, Muslims are living fossils.")
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To: LowTaxesEqualsProsperity

An essential foundation to the safety of our nation has been deliberatley compromised by traitors who wear friendly masks and who say they are fighting for the middleclass while they kill the economy, say they are for the middleclass while they kill your healthcare and replace it with a deliberate empty program, say they are for the middleclass while cheap heroin floods our towns and villages killing our kids. We dont need to be in an actual war to be at war we are being flanked at everyturn and we sit and watch like a bad tv movie


21 posted on 03/16/2014 7:35:43 PM PDT by ronnie raygun (Zippy the a##clown sez..............)
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To: so_real
The Honor Codes in force at all of the service academies - "We will not lie, cheat, nor steal, nor tolerate those among us who do" - became inoperative the moment the first known homosexual was allowed to remain part of the Corps.

The Russians have demonstrated soebarkah to be a paper tiger. Along with Hagel and Kerry "reporting for duty", admirals and generals fired en masse, tradition is being stripped from our military. Even the Marines are forced into some type of bizzare combat experiment with up to 25% women, which I can already say from my own experiences in combat, it ain't gonna work.

Take God out of it and we're gonners. Which is exactly what has happened.

22 posted on 03/16/2014 7:38:39 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: Jet Jaguar
The most recent event is the posting of a verse from the Bible on a whiteboard outside of a Cadet's room. I presume every Cadet has such a whiteboard. I wonder if any other Cadets are posting any statements of substance on their whiteboards. I would suspect that they have.

If so, and if any of the other posts are allowed to stand, the AFA has permitted a forum to arise, and the Free Speech Clause of the 1st Amendment attaches.

It's protected speech. That's all that matters.



America demands Justice for the Fallen of Benghazi!

O stranger, tell the Lacedaemonians that we lie here, obedient to their command.

Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The LORD hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name. (Isaiah 49:1 KJV)

23 posted on 03/16/2014 7:46:50 PM PDT by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines RVN 1<center> <table back969 - St. Mlichael the Archangel defend us in Battle!)
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To: P-Marlowe

They erased verses from the Koran as well. As a blow in this war on religious people—They should put in more quotes from—The Book of Mormon—The saying of the Buddah, Confusious, The religios writing of Washington, Patton, and Lincoln and others. Will they erase them too?


24 posted on 03/16/2014 7:54:31 PM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: ilovesarah2012

As soon as a few key military bone up on the Constitution, they will know what to do.

Ecomcon will be successful this time.


25 posted on 03/16/2014 7:56:30 PM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: ilovesarah2012

We are not defined by our government


26 posted on 03/16/2014 8:03:25 PM PDT by Dead Dog
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To: Forward the Light Brigade

Did they erase any quotes from Barrack “The Messiah” Obama?

How about Marx, Lennin, or Richard Dawkins?


27 posted on 03/16/2014 8:03:44 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds)
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To: LowTaxesEqualsProsperity

Me either. It is on purpose....it is exactly the type of people who formed the Samurai and the homosexual Brownshirts-—Godless people who had no trouble killing their own people, especially women and children.

Machiavelli stated that Virtue was essential to promote in militaries because of the power and the “corruption” that is easy where power exists. Zero forced “Pride” in Vice to destroy our military.....all Cultural Marxists know that to destroy a country-—you promote Vice and perversions (irrationality) in the children/schools/culture/media (done). They have been flipping Good and Evil for decades.


28 posted on 03/16/2014 8:08:08 PM PDT by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just Law)
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To: ilovesarah2012

> There will soon be nothing left of America.

You’re looking at it all wrong. What 0 has done is making more and more people go to church, more grassroot conservatives (regular old guys who aren’t attorneys) get into politics and defeat the incumbents, and mobilized a nationwide movement to protect our rights and freedoms plus teach our children about the founding fathers and the Constitution. This is going to come bak to bite the progressives, liberals, and NWO lovers in the a$$ big time in the near future...


29 posted on 03/16/2014 8:11:18 PM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: ilovesarah2012
Although President Obama originally threatened to veto the legislation, those protections were signed into law in December 2013.

Obama's veto would have been him being truthful. But, as we've come to know, his words and signature are meaningless.

30 posted on 03/16/2014 8:12:54 PM PDT by Major Matt Mason ("Journalism is dead. All news is suspect." - Noamie)
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To: Don Corleone

No, their gods are either 0bama aand/or Mohammed, the pedophile..


31 posted on 03/16/2014 8:14:25 PM PDT by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: ilovesarah2012

May God reward the United States with all it has earned.

May God have mercy on America, and Americans.


32 posted on 03/16/2014 8:16:36 PM PDT by Psalm 144 (My citizenship is not here.)
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To: ilovesarah2012

I recall in Navy Boot Camp (San Diego) in 1987, recruits were encouraged to say a prayer after we were in our racks. One of us would start the Lord’s Prayer, and others would join in. Those were better times for sure. In the name of Jesus Christ, our Lord and Savior, I rest my case. The Great OZ has spoken.


33 posted on 03/16/2014 8:18:53 PM PDT by WyCoKsRepublican
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To: ilovesarah2012

...is this the same military that let the Fort Hood shooter make all those speeches?


34 posted on 03/16/2014 8:23:27 PM PDT by Tzimisce
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To: jsanders2001

You are foolish sir, they destroyed America...it is gone, dead while you gloated foolishly about some phone election in the future..


35 posted on 03/16/2014 8:26:28 PM PDT by Wpin ("I Have Sworn Upon the Altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny...")
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To: Wpin

Once the homo agenda was accepted throwing out Christians was inevitable


36 posted on 03/16/2014 8:27:39 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: ilovesarah2012

The homosexual religion is ok, though.


37 posted on 03/16/2014 8:30:18 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: Telepathic Intruder

But Obama said he’s a Christian...

He also said you could keep your doctor.


38 posted on 03/16/2014 8:30:53 PM PDT by Jane Long (While Marxists continue the fundamental transformation of the USA, progressive RINOs assist!)
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To: a fool in paradise
don't we all love these military elitist wimps?...

..drag a pension thru a trailor park and this is what you get..

..worthless, characterless,shallow wannabees with not an original thought in their entire beings...

39 posted on 03/16/2014 8:31:33 PM PDT by cherry
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To: Wpin

> You are foolish sir, they destroyed America...it is gone, dead while you gloated foolishly about some phone election in the future..

your opinion; not mine. There are things happenin in the background that are going to make a difference. Changes are a’comin’’.


40 posted on 03/16/2014 8:32:09 PM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: ilovesarah2012
military lawyers claim that legal protections for religion only pertain to matters such as clothing and growing beards but do not extend to any religious expression such as talking about one's faith or posting a Bible verse.

And our troops are going to put up with this? I think not.

41 posted on 03/16/2014 8:33:17 PM PDT by Jane Long (While Marxists continue the fundamental transformation of the USA, progressive RINOs assist!)
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To: jsanders2001

Tolerance was a way to grab power, they will never be tolerant themselves


42 posted on 03/16/2014 8:33:53 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: Da Coyote

“Who do you like in the Preakness?”


43 posted on 03/16/2014 8:46:55 PM PDT by Argus
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To: GeronL

> Tolerance was a way to grab power, they will never be tolerant themselves

^ Truth


44 posted on 03/16/2014 8:50:22 PM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: ilovesarah2012

This administration are made up only of tyrants!


45 posted on 03/16/2014 8:53:23 PM PDT by JSDude1 (Defeat Hagan, elect a Constutional Conservative: Dr. Greg Brannon!)
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To: ilovesarah2012

I wish I had the time to ping my lists.


46 posted on 03/16/2014 9:04:11 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: ilovesarah2012

Now the US Air Force is the SCOTUS? Who knew?


47 posted on 03/16/2014 9:11:01 PM PDT by Graewoulf (Democrats' Obamacare Socialist Health Insur. Tax violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: Telepathic Intruder
But Obama said he’s a Christian...

Yes he did sir. I have two questions. Do you believe him, and when was the last time he told the truth about anything?

48 posted on 03/16/2014 9:30:24 PM PDT by Mark17 (Chicago Blackhawks: Stanley Cup champions 2010, 2013. Vietnam Vet 70-71 Msgt US Air Force, retired)
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To: ilovesarah2012; chris37; LowTaxesEqualsProsperity; ronnie raygun; savagesusie; Psalm 144; Wpin; ...

There is no solution.

The fed government is not for the people. The fed government is for itself. It is an entity unto its own and feeds upon the people for its existence. Its only purpose is to exist. It will do anything and everything to exist. In order to exist, it needs to grow. It needs to grow, because to be stagnet means that something else may be growing in its place. Therefore, it grows, as a creature unto itself, without any purpose except to grow. The fed is a creature that is no longer recognizable. It is hideous and ugly, snapping, snarling, mean, and nasty.

In order to grow, it needs to feed upon the people. It eats out the livelihood of the people to grow. It will eat out the people until the people are no more.

This is the fed.

The state is something else. Some states care about its people, some don’t. Some states are pair bonding at the hip to the feds and will suck off the people with the feds. And will try to grow like the feds. Some states realize what is happening and do what they can to protect its people and remove the ravenous fed creature from feeding off its people.

There is no hope for the fed to be reformed. It is rabid. States need to protect its people from this hideous deformity. Good Luck!

Democrats and Republicans in the fed can not reform it. No one can.

Yep, America is finished! Been finished for a long time. We still call it America, but it isn’t. Do you call a butterfly a caterpillar after the caterpillar has changed to a butterfly? I don’t. But in this case, we still call America - America. But it is not America, it is now some weird and hideous metamorphisis.


49 posted on 03/16/2014 9:49:30 PM PDT by ForYourChildren (Christian Education [ RomanRoadsMedia.com - a classical Christian approach to homeschool])
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To: Jane Long
we have a poor economy for red blooded American boys.....the service has been an option in the past and it will continue to be an option, sadly....

even now, I'll bet most of us know someone from supposedly conservative patriotic families joining the military...they do it for the money, for the benefits, for the chance to get away from home, and because there is no steel plant to work in nor farm or ranch to work on.....

economics trumps everything in the final analysis....the new military will most assuredly fire on American citizens just like in other dictatorships...

50 posted on 03/16/2014 10:14:01 PM PDT by cherry
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