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To: Pox; Logical me
Put up or STFU is what I say.

Reminds me of a Dilbert cartoon I saw once. Dilbert's boss is sitting at his desk and is telling Dilbert "change is good. You go first."

I see that here. Two forms of despair. "logical me" and others just throwing in the towel, because, I don't know, maybe it's just in their personalities. They've given up hope and they want everyone else to give up so they can, I don't know, feel better about being the wisest among us? I can't reach where that's coming from.

Don't misunderstand. I've made mistakes and believed in people I shouldn't have. But my optimism is incurable. I see God working out His plan no matter how powerful the forces of darkness think they are. He will laugh at them all in the end.

But there is another form of despair. I see it in your response. Do I understand you to be saying you want an armed revolution now, and that you will declare the situation hopeless if that doesn't happen? That's my understanding, and if I'm wrong, I apologize in advance.

But if I'm right, if that's what you mean, then I'd call that an ill-begotten despair, of no use in restoring the country I am sure we both love. Despair ends up cutting the nerve of action. Given a false choice between all out war or all out surrender, people will choose surrender, because they are not ready for war.

That is not how we should be managing this conflict. It's a sure way to lose it. We need people engaged all the way to the flashpoint, so that the transition, if there must be one (and I do think it might be avoided), has the full momentum of the people behind it. We do that by getting people who are standing still to crawl, those who are crawling to walk, and those who are walking to run, etc.

What if the Founders' plan is actually still workable? What if we can muster a long succession of electoral victories and begin to roll back, by virtue of overwhelming numbers, the advances of our opponents?

Conversely, what if we had a Tea Party equivalent to Ruby Ridge or Waco? What came of those events? I am willing to die for my country. I am not willing to throw my life away, or the lives of my family, or the lives of my friends here, for actions that not only will not be effective in our cause, but actions that may well harm the cause of freedom.

No, like Solomon has said, there is a time for war, and a time for peace. When we come to that transition, we cannot act like a thousand individual Randy Weavers. It will serve no purpose. We must come together as a unit, by tens and hundreds of thousands, under qualified leadership, with as much support from within the system as it is possible to retain. There is no possibility of victory without maximizing momentum. Only then will our would-be oppressors come to understand that "consent of the governed" is not a mere suggestion, but a physical reality that cannot long be denied.

So if some are having trouble now with boating accidents, then perhaps it is as Solomon said elsewhere: Cast your guns upon the water, and after many days they will come back to you, when you really need them. OK, very loose paraphrase there, but you see the principle.

57 posted on 03/16/2014 10:48:14 PM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: Springfield Reformer
Thank you so much for an excellent response. I often remember the events at Ruby Ridge and Waco and I often wondered if Janet (@#$%^&?>&@*$) is sleeping well at night after washing all that blood of her hands. Can you just imagine being a fly on the walls during Krystallnacht. The horror had to be intense. Too many have forsaken that event or have no knowledge of it. For those of you that don't,,,,I hope that you take time to read about it. Simply "search engine" it with your engine of choice and you might change your minds regarding "trust my government"{.

Yes,,,, we MUST talk first while our backs are not against the wall though CT residents may be there already. This is NOT a loosing battle.

62 posted on 03/16/2014 11:19:25 PM PDT by progunner (no compromise)
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To: Springfield Reformer

Spot on. Thank you.


77 posted on 03/17/2014 5:41:41 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: Springfield Reformer
It would be “insane” to crave violence and to solely subscribe to it as a means to an end.

I'm simply resigned to the fact, as I see it, that the time is coming for revolution in this country and it's time to prepare for it.

The flashpoint the first time around was the attempted disarming of citizens, wasn't it?

I'm of the opinion that the flashpoint this time around will be the same, but who can tell how many are prepared to sacrifice all for their principles and their freedom.

I'm also of the opinion that now is the time to make our stand against tyranny. I keep reading that ‘someday you'll need those guns, so hide them for that day’. As far as I'm concerned, when they start attempting to confiscate our arms that day has arrived.

86 posted on 03/17/2014 8:31:15 AM PDT by Pox (Good Night. I expect more respect tomorrow.)
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To: Springfield Reformer
What if we can muster a long succession of electoral victories and begin to roll back, by virtue of overwhelming numbers, the advances of our opponents?

The last 80 years of US history show that there will be no sweeping changes. There will be no righting of the System by the System.

This WILL end in violence. Either by the FedGov exterminating large portions of our population in suppression. Or by us taking up arms and mashing the Reset button.

There is no "third way" here.

This isn't despair, but quite the opposite. Even if we only match the Founder's 3%, we win. Period.

91 posted on 03/17/2014 9:46:42 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Tre Norner eg ber, binde til rota...)
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