Boeing Source: Missing Plane in Pakistan

Lignet ^ | March 17, 2014, 5:30 p.m. |

[EEGator]

I’m out.

[Uncle Chip]

Which Boeing source would that be???

Other Boeing sources put the plane around the satellite arc.

Perhaps the Boeing sources should be talking with each other.

[mad_as_he$$]

D10 and an open spot. They will never notice the smell in Pokestan.

[editor-surveyor]

And that was a plane with a standard passenger load.

That’s as bad as taking off from John Wayne!

[elcid1970]

You become a Lord by choosing your ancestors very, very wisely.

[Greysard]

Flying to the remotest part of the region possible before going in is called preventing closure.

That is understood. However none of this is a typical terrorist's modus operandi. Let's presume that the pilot got mad and wanted to kill every Chinese person he can reach (since most of his passengers were Chinese.) He is expected to fly over China and he has permission. He will be flying over thousands of soft targets - residential areas of high density, chemical plants, hospitals... wouldn't it be reasonable for a terrorist to drop his plane onto one of those targets? He can't possibly not know about 9/11, being a pilot and all.

The problem with the "Drop it in the South" scenario is that it does not fit into any logical scheme. Resort to "he was mad" is just a deus ex machina. There was a mad Egyptian pilot once that brought the aircraft down. (Whether he was mad or just a good son of Allah is hard to tell, if even there is a difference.) That pilot wasted no time in fighting for the controls. In this case the pilot carefully and professionally flew his aircraft for hours after he severed the communications. It's not what fanatics do. One has to have nerves of steel to fly for that long and then to kill himself. A special operations soldier can do it to save his country; but a common suicider cannot. I'd buy it if there was anything in the South to destroy. But there is nothing all the way to the South Pole; you won't even count 1 man per 1,000 square miles.

The only "realistic" scenario that requires dumping the plane in the deep ocean is if the cargo contained some alien or magical artifact that must never fall into hands of humans. I don't think this is very likely - not on a commercial flight, at least :-)

[ilovesarah2012]

But how do “we” know? You think “they” are telling everything they do know?

[TigersEye]

Given the tensions between China and India it is very hard to believe.

[John W]

Well, what’s their track record on that?

[ought-six]

“I am strongly in the camp that believes that I don’t know what happened with the plane.”

Move over, and make room on that bench for me.

[EEGator]

Can blue collar Irish guys be Lords?

[Yosemitest]

Think again!

Someone sent me another piece of information you should read.

" Someone on another thread posted a link to a theory that the missing 777 used SIA68 (Singapore Airlines flight 68) to cloak their own airplane until they could get across the Indian Ocean, away from primary radar.

http://keithledgerwood.tumblr.com/post/79838944823/did-malaysian-airlines-370-disappear-using-sia68-sq68 "

That's a really good theory.

Did Malaysian Airlines 370 disappear using SIA68/SQ68 (another 777)?Monday, March 17, 2014 - 12:01 AM EST
UPDATED: Monday, March 17, 2014 - 9:00 AM EST

But there's problems when you try to match it with the
the arc graph (click on it for more detailed info) that shows the estimated range of the aircraft with it's remaining fuel IF it was flying at its MAXIMUM SPEED or 7 hours 30 minutes of fuel.

Now, from the article:

this statement towards the end of his article.
" A satellite was able to pick up a ‘ping’ from the plane until 08:11 local time,
more than seven hours after it lost radar contact,
although it was unable to give a precise location.
Mr Razak went on to say that based on this new data, investigators ‘have determined the plane’s last communication with a satellite was in one of two possible corridors –
north from the border of Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan through to northern Thailand,
and south from Indonesia to the southern Indian Ocean. "

My problem is ~ I don't know how accurate that Red Arc map is,
and I don't know whether to trust it or not.

I've been trying to match up the numbers on a "guess-ta-mated" flight path.

You can narrows down the search area if you take all the Satellite "Handshakes" into consideration for the search of runways/landing strips that Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 could have landed on.

A look at Malaysia Airlines jet's mysterious course 04:03

The Way Point on the northwet side of her screen is "IGREX" on Jet Route "P628" where the heading changes to a more northerly direction 320 degrees to PORT BLAIR Navaid.

" ...roughly four hours after the jet dropped from civilian radar screens, these people said, the link operated in a kind of standby mode and sought to establish contact with a satellite or satellites.

That's a total airborne time of about 4 hours 40 minutes from takeoff.

The arc graph shows the estimated range of the aircraft with it's remaining fuel IF it was flying at its MAXIMUM SPEED or 7 hours 30 minutes of fuel.

Now, from the article:

this statement towards the end of his article.
" A satellite was able to pick up a ‘ping’ from the plane until 08:11 local time,
more than seven hours after it lost radar contact,
although it was unable to give a precise location.
Mr Razak went on to say that based on this new data, investigators ‘have determined the plane’s last communication with a satellite was in one of two possible corridors –
north from the border of Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan through to northern Thailand,
and south from Indonesia to the southern Indian Ocean. "

That's 7 hours and 31 minutes after takeoff.

"... The plane departed for an overnight flight from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing at 12:40 a.m. on March 8.
Its communications with civilian air controllers were severed at about 1:20 a.m., and the jet went missing ... "

That leaves 2 Hours 50 minutes to travel from "IGREX" on Jet Route "P628 to an undefined point on that arc of 7 hours 30 minutes from takeoff.

Let's say that the pilot leans the engines out to get the most out of his fuel for distance with the remaining time for "IGREX" and gets 3 hours if time,
before he hits his 20 minutes safety margin on fuel and then starts to burn his 1 hour emergency fuel.
At maximum speed of Mach 0.89 (590 mph, 950 km/h, 512 knots) at a cruise altitude of 35,000 ft , that would allow him 1770 miles of distance (to the red arc), before hitting his reserves.

Let's assume that since he stayed on the Jet Routes, he continued to stay on the Jet Routes.

Now take that information and the arc ping map (important to view this map at this link for more details) along with the jet route map, and you can find possible links.

Now I run the numbers on the Jet Routes starting from "IGREX" on Jet Route "P628" and starting subtotaling for a target of 1770 Nautical Miles.
Take a look from SkyVector.com.

Jet Route P628 NW
IGREX 151 NM to Port Blair
Port Blair 272 NM to VATLA
VALTA 173 NM to URKOK
URKOK 172 NM to KAGUL
KAGUL 51 NM to DORIL
DORIL 99 NM to OPASA
OPASA 75 NM to IKINA
IKINA 28 NM to OPONI
OPONI 121 NM to ASOPO or JABALPUR
-----------
1,142 NM subtotal
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Change route to W66 North to KHAJURAHO
ASOPO 97 NM to KKJ

Change route to W40 NNE via KANPUR to LUCKNOW
KJJ 72 NM to IGONA
IGONA 28 NM to LUCKNOW

Change route to M890 Northwest to SARSAWA
LUCKNOW 87 NM to JALABAD
JALABAD 65 NM to PUMOT
PUMOT 116 NM to SARAWA
--------------
1,607 NM Subtotal

SARAWA 27 NM to ONOGI
ONOGI 26 NM to CHANDIGARH (CHG)
CHG 73 NM to LAKET
LAKET 49 NM to SAMAR

Change Direction North to J220 to SIALKOT (SLT) Airport
SAMAR aprx 75 NM to SIALKOT Airport
------------------
1,857 NM

Now A different Route

From M890 at SARSAWA
--------------
1,607 NM Subtotal

Change route to W39 North to LEH
SARAWA 143 NM to LELAX
LELAX 101 NM to LEH
------------
1,851 NM Subtotal

Change route, direct to HOTAN approximately 030 heading
LEH approx 145 NM to HOTAN

Change Route, via SHACHE via KASHI
HOTAN apx 150 NM to SHACHE approx 310 heading
SHACHE 68 NM via A364 to KASHI

Change Route NNW via TADOT to BISHKEK MANAS
KASHI 100 NM to TADOT approximately 350 heading
TADOT 100 NM to BISHKEK MANAS Airport, Kyrgyzstan
--------------
2,414 NM Total (might be out of range)

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My Airport of Interest are:
UDHAMPUR (VIUX)
Runway [18 36] 9028.8 x 148 ft, Asphalt

Sialkot International Airport (IATA: SKT, ICAO: OPST)
Runway 22/04 11811 x 148 ASP

GILGIT (OPGT) Gilgit, Gilgit-Baltistan, Pakistan
Runway [07 25] 5385.6 x 98 ft, Asphalt
Runway 09 / 27 1003.2 x 49 ft / 306 x 15 m

Skardu Airport Pakistan (OPSD), IATA: KDU
Runway: 14/32 11944 Ft x 100 Ft ASP
Runway: 15/33 6501 Ft x 101 Ft ASP

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[Yardstick]

That’s been photoshopped. I can tell by the pixels.

[mulder1]

Looks like we will be hearing of more drone strikes in Pakistan.

[XRdsRev]

Land it on the shortest runway possible.....hide it (the aircraft) and begin extending the runway, camouflaging the work as you go until you are ready to launch.

[Georgia Girl 2]

Didn’t Pakistan tell us they didn’t know where Osama was?

[kickme]

We do - AWACS - cloak a plane, make radar blip ‘ghost’ at a false location, etc.

[sassy steel magnolia]

the pakis will deny this, just like they denied that OBL was living right around the corner from their military HQ.

denial runs like a river thru their veins...

[Rightwing Conspiratr1]

Clearly the Langoliers ate it.

[Cyman]

I heard it was in a used 777 lot in Pacoima.