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To: MUDDOG; gwjack; dfwgator
Well, starting off remember that ethnically Ukrainians are "between" Russians and Poles -- the Russians are "closer" as they are also East slavs.

But ukrainians and Poles differentiated in language (as per what I've seen Ukrainians has a basis in the old Ruthenian language and has a lot of Polish loanwords)

Ok, I deviated -- the thing about Poland's Kresy is that it was the last of the great multi-national areas with Poles, non-Polonized Jews, Ruthenians (Belarussians, Ukrainians, Boyks, Łemkos, Hutsuls), Armenians, Germans and with Catholics, Orthodox, Mennonites and also Jewish secularists, orthodox, Hassids, Karaites, Litvaks and also Muslim Tartars

So, while it was "Poland", it was really part of the grand Piłsudski idea to re-create the Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth (a multi-national state)

If the Ukrainians and BElarussians and Lithuanians had agreed to this and the Polish Dmowski party not beeen so "Poland for the poles", then this united entity would have been able to stand up to Germany and Russia far better

instead the Lithuanians were pretty anti-polish, as were, even more so, the Ukrainians

These two seemed to see Polishness as a soft threat to their cultures (which it was) instead of seeing that there were the Nazis and Soviets who would slaughter their bodies...

36 posted on 03/18/2014 9:03:09 PM PDT by Cronos (ObamaÂ’s dislike of Assad is not based on AssadÂ’s brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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To: Cronos
If the Ukrainians and BElarussians and Lithuanians had agreed to this and the Polish Dmowski party not beeen so "Poland for the poles", then this united entity would have been able to stand up to Germany and Russia far better

On this I agree totally, if only Pilsudski survived to 1939. One of the curious things I noticed.....Hitler actually attended Pilsudski's funeral...and one of the first things he did when he invaded in 1939, was to post an honor guard at Pilsudski's grave. Perhaps he saw in Pilsudski a like-minded hater of Russians and Bolshevism, but I hardly could imagine Pilsudski liking Hitler all that much.

37 posted on 03/18/2014 9:07:41 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Cronos

Wow. Big similarity between the ethnic disunity you describe in pre-WW2 Poland, and Ukraine today.


39 posted on 03/18/2014 9:13:29 PM PDT by MUDDOG
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