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Ukrainian Catholics experiencing 'total persecution' in Crimea
cna ^ | March 19, 2014 | Sonya Bilocerkowycz and Sofia Kochmar

Posted on 03/19/2014 3:22:43 PM PDT by NYer

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To: sergeantdave; Nifster; mosesdapoet
>> Ukraine is a diversion <<

Catholics being kidnapped, imprisoned, and murdered in the Ukraine is a "diversion" in the same way that Ambassador Christopher Stevens and three other Americans being tortured and killed in Benghazi was a "phony scandal"

21 posted on 03/19/2014 4:38:28 PM PDT by BillyBoy (Looking at the weather lately, I could really use some 'global warming' right now!)
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To: ansel12

“We can post the proof of the Putin and Russia adulation, and they seem to be that he is returning Christ to civilization, and that he is going to restore the Russian Orthodox and Catholic denominations into being in power and ending religious freedom for the people who fall under his control.”

Well, goodie for you. What does that mean for the overall goal of removing Obuma and his fascist bureaucracy in the US? Not a thing.

I don’t mind you fighting Russians in Ukraine. Be my guest. I’m concentrating my efforts against the Kenyan usurper and what he’s doing to the US. There’s a small number of people here on FR who are agitating for deploying US troops in Ukraine. Not only will the Russians attack them from the front, the Kenyan usurper will be stabbing them in the back with ridiculous ROEs.

That’s the perfect Alinsky maneuver to destroy our military. I’m not drinking any of that kool-aid.

Cheers, FRiend.


22 posted on 03/19/2014 4:51:33 PM PDT by sergeantdave
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To: NYer

Eastern Orthodox, AKA the “Mother Church of Russia” and the official Church of the USSR.


23 posted on 03/19/2014 4:55:06 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: sergeantdave

So your argument for Russian expansion and the KGB man reestablishing as much of the Soviet Empire and power that he can, is that it steals away from freepers posting that we don’t like Obama over and over?

Gee, too bad you didn’t have the internet during the Carter years, you could have berated us then as well.


24 posted on 03/19/2014 4:57:18 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: Nifster

“How about you come to understand what communism really is”

How about you understand that commies are right here in the US, in your schools, in your neighborhoods and in your town council. President Obuma is shoving communism down your throat everyday.

I’d prefer that you join our fight to defeat the Kenyan usurper right here in the US rather than worry about Ukraine.

Cheers FRiend


25 posted on 03/19/2014 4:57:33 PM PDT by sergeantdave
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To: sergeantdave
I’d prefer that you join our fight to defeat the Kenyan usurper right here in the US rather than worry about Ukraine.

We've all seen some stupid posting, but yours are a whole new ballgame, as you fight for the KGB and Mother Russia and a future empire for them.

26 posted on 03/19/2014 5:03:31 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: ansel12

“So your argument for Russian expansion and the KGB man reestablishing as much of the Soviet Empire and power that he can, is that it steals away from freepers posting that we don’t like Obama over and over?”

Don’t put words in my mouth. I said that if you want to be a knight in shining armor to fight Putin, be my guest.


27 posted on 03/19/2014 5:04:25 PM PDT by sergeantdave
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To: sergeantdave

Yet here you are, on this thread telling us to lay off Putin and let him carry on.

Our foreign policy interests have not ended, history is not over yet.


28 posted on 03/19/2014 5:10:27 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: ansel12

“We’ve all seen some stupid posting, but yours are a whole new ballgame, as you fight for the KGB and Mother Russia and a future empire for them.”

Really? Besides your psychotic delusions, can you you point to anything I’ve said that I support the KGB and Mother Russia?

Your post is typical of delusional leftists who project onto others of what they are.

You’re a troll.


29 posted on 03/19/2014 5:20:35 PM PDT by sergeantdave
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To: BillyBoy

In the News/Activism forum, on a thread titled Ukrainian Catholics experiencing ‘total persecution’ in Crimea, BillyBoy wrote:
>> Ukraine is a diversion <<
Catholics being kidnapped, imprisoned, and murdered in the Ukraine

Yea I saw that. There was a reporter interviewed by John Batchelor on his show from of all places The (UK)Telegraph reporting from Kiev. He was claiming that the Catholics are causing all the trouble. If I knew anybody in their government I’d let them know and kick his ass out let him report from the Kremlin .Then you’d know where he’s comming from.

Did you work this election ? Rutherford fell apart. I didn’t like Dillard because of his IEA and ex gov wuss support. All that means is more taxes and no school reform. Folks went with the money men. Alas the red head is still with us.


30 posted on 03/19/2014 5:21:20 PM PDT by mosesdapoet (Serious contribution pause.Please continue onto meaningless venting no one reads.)
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To: ansel12
Our foreign policy interests have not ended, history is not over yet.

Ain't that the truth. It's like everyone has forgotten history over the past century.

Concentrate on Obama. LOL! Unfortunately watching the Ukraine *is* concentrating on that idiot.

31 posted on 03/19/2014 5:23:50 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Play the 'Knockout Game' with someone owning a 9mm and you get what you deserve)
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To: VeniVidiVici
Concentrate on Obama. LOL! Unfortunately watching the Ukraine *is* concentrating on that idiot.

True. Good point.

32 posted on 03/19/2014 5:27:14 PM PDT by Karl Spooner
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To: mosesdapoet; Impy
>> Did you work this election ? Rutherford fell apart. I didn’t like Dillard because of his IEA and ex gov wuss support. All that means is more taxes and no school reform. Folks went with the money men. Alas the red head is still with us. <<

Yeah, I was an election judge and voted for Brady. Several Dems showed up and pulled a GOP ballot to vote for Dillard. The election was extremely quiet -- maybe 2 voters every 10-15 minutes, and the only campaign signs near the polling place were the ones I put out (for Brady, Truax, and Grogan). None of the usual annoying poll watchers this time, either. Considering the horrible weather we've had lately and Rauner's money machine, I did almost zero door-to-door electioneering this primary. Surprisingly, the results in my pct. were great (Truax 58%, Grogan 56%). Unfortunately for the rest of Illinois, they were terrible. I'm dreading having to vote in the November election with our pathetic slate of candidates. Interestingly enough, Rauner's fans are upset that Rauner's running mate Evelyn Sanguinetti gave some badly received victory speech and sounded like a "hispanic Sarah Palin". Oh well, I've been saying for weeks that Rauner's running mate was a poor 11th hour choice that nobody ever heard of and who never campaigned in public. You broke it, you bought it!

33 posted on 03/19/2014 5:37:28 PM PDT by BillyBoy (Looking at the weather lately, I could really use some 'global warming' right now!)
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To: sergeantdave
I’d prefer that you join our fight to defeat the Kenyan usurper right here in the US rather than worry about Ukraine.

You are a big time liar.

Anyone who is reading you this thread as you aggressively claim to be uninterested in promoting Russia's expansion, and just want to talk about Obama, should take a look at your recent posting history, you are rabid on this.

Your rabid rantings and ravings are in your posting history, supporting Russia and Putin since his big push.

34 posted on 03/19/2014 5:45:01 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: ansel12

Well, you have come out of the closet..... an obama man


35 posted on 03/19/2014 5:46:49 PM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... History is a process, not an event)
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To: bert

LOL, me and JR have come out of the closet as Obama men because we oppose Russia and the KGB getting the empire back together?

Sounds pretty deep man.


36 posted on 03/19/2014 5:49:52 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: NYer

“Upon seeing portraits of Roman Shukhevych [...] Fr. Kvych’s captors accused him of being in the “SS Army,” a reference to Nazi Germany.”

It is very interesting that a Catholic Priest would have a poster of this man on their wall.

In 1934, he was arrested for trying to assassinate the Polish cultural minister.

Bandera led the more extreme totalitarian faction of OUN(OUN-B) that was primarily responsible for the massacre of 70,000 Poles in Volhynia & Galicia during WWII.

(Historical background: In 1937, the Polish government in Volhynia pushed Polonization and tried to forcibly convert the Orthodox population to Roman Catholicism. Over 190 Orthodox churches were destroyed and 150 converted to Roman Catholic cathedrals.)

Here is a sample order from the Bandera’s faction regional leader:
“We should make a large action of the liquidation of the Polish element. As the German armies withdraw, we should take advantage of this convenient moment for liquidating the entire male population in the age from 16 up to 60 years. We cannot lose this fight, and it is necessary at all costs to weaken Polish forces. Villages and settlements lying next to the massive forests, should disappear from the face of the earth”.

Here’s a sample letter from a commandant reporting directly to OUN-B: “On September 29, 1943, I carried out the action in the villages of Wola Ostrowiecka, and Ostrivky. I have liquidated all Poles, starting from the youngest ones. Afterwards, all buildings were burned and all goods were confiscated”.

Bandera wasn’t in charge during the massacres, but he was in charge when they made policy decisions like this:

“Moskali, Poles, Jews are hostile to us must be exterminated in this struggle, especially those who would resist our regime: deport them to their own lands, importantly: destroy their intelligentsia that may be in the positions of power ... Jews must be isolated, removed from governmental positions in order to prevent sabotage, those who are deemed necessary may only work with an overseer... Jewish assimilation is not possible.”

Leaflets from his faction while he was in charge in 1941 called for the “destruction” of “Moscow”, Poles, Hungarians and Jewry.

The OUN-B (Bandera’s faction) was directly condemned by the leader of the Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church for its violence.


37 posted on 03/19/2014 5:52:14 PM PDT by Mount Athos (A Giant luxury mega-mansion for Gore, a Government Green EcoShack made of poo for you)
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To: sergeantdave

I don’t think there are many people around who want to see Russians invading any country. The issue is, what can we do about it? Militarily, my guess is we can’t do anything. It is a precarious situation for sure, but I do not think there is a military option. With the Communist Obungler in office, not much will be done.


38 posted on 03/19/2014 5:54:54 PM PDT by Mark17 (Chicago Blackhawks: Stanley Cup champions 2010, 2013. Vietnam Vet 70-71 Msgt US Air Force, retired)
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To: Mark17

This is the Carter years again, and some support it, it makes most of us conservatives sick because we know what is being built, what is being overcome and defeated.


39 posted on 03/19/2014 6:01:53 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: NYer
How much of this is persecution of Catholics (eastern) because they are Catholics vs. persecution of people who are suspected of aiding the "enemy" -- Pro-Ukranian nationalist forces -- who happen to be Catholic (eastern)? I know some of each is occurring but don't have a handle on the proportions.

Concerning western Catholicism, I noticed on reading Wikipedia that Russia itself has four dioceses for Catholics of the Latin Rite, including 1 archdiocese.

40 posted on 03/19/2014 6:04:18 PM PDT by steve86 (to the nearest on-shore cell tower or repeater).)
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