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Ukraine announces troop withdrawals from Crimea in bow to Russian annexation
Vancouver Sun ^ | 3-19-2014 | John-Thor Dahlburg And Peter Leonard

Posted on 03/19/2014 7:01:33 PM PDT by tcrlaf

Surrendering to Russia's inexorable seizure of Crimea, Ukraine announced plans Wednesday for mass troop withdrawals from the strategic peninsula as Moscow-loyal forces seized control of Kyiv's naval headquarters here and detained its commander.

Attempting to face down the unblinking incursion, Ukraine said it would hold joint military exercises with the United States and Britain.

Hours after masked Russian-speaking troops forced their way onto Ukraine's main naval base here, forlorn Ukrainian soldiers streamed out carrying clothing and other belongings in bags. A group of local militia and Cossacks, later joined by officers from Russia's Black Sea Fleet, looked on.

Just how many retreating troops Ukraine will have to absorb in what amounts to a military surrender of Crimea was unclear. Many servicemen have already switched sides to Russia, but authorities said they were prepared to relocate as many as 25,000 soldiers and their families to the Ukrainian mainland.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: crimea; russia; ukraine
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Obama's pronouncement this morning on a local TV station that we would never commit troops to defend Ukraine has had its effect, it seems.

Ukraine finally realized that the promises Clinton made to protect Ukraine if they gave up their weapons wasn't worth the paper it was printed on.

What a great day for America, doncha think?

1 posted on 03/19/2014 7:01:33 PM PDT by tcrlaf
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To: tcrlaf

The US is officially not a superpower


2 posted on 03/19/2014 7:03:58 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: GeronL

Fundamental Change.


3 posted on 03/19/2014 7:04:44 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: 1rudeboy

Ping


4 posted on 03/19/2014 7:05:11 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: tcrlaf

Pooty Tooty likes these press clippings :-)


5 posted on 03/19/2014 7:05:14 PM PDT by No One Special
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To: GeronL

That ship sailed a long time ago.


6 posted on 03/19/2014 7:05:35 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: tcrlaf

Another headline for the same story.

Ukraine Surrenders to Russia, Plans to Pull Troops Out of Crimea
http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/571436-ukraine-surrenders-to-russia-plans-to-pull-troops-out-of-crimea/


7 posted on 03/19/2014 7:05:36 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: GeronL

It is a military superpower (for now). And fiscally and morally bankrupt. The latter will undermine the former.


8 posted on 03/19/2014 7:06:31 PM PDT by LowTaxesEqualsProsperity
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To: GeronL

How can it remain a superpower when >40% of children are born out of wedlock, homosexuality is now revered and taught as normal, a large percentage want to smoke weed or are on pain pills and psychotropics?


9 posted on 03/19/2014 7:08:43 PM PDT by LowTaxesEqualsProsperity
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To: tcrlaf

Those Ukrainian soldiers earned the respect of everyone including the Russians.


10 posted on 03/19/2014 7:09:01 PM PDT by allendale
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To: tcrlaf
Estonia is next.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/19/us-russia-estonia-idUSBREA2I1J620140319

11 posted on 03/19/2014 7:09:16 PM PDT by Repeal 16-17 (Let me know when the Shooting starts.)
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To: LowTaxesEqualsProsperity

Very true


12 posted on 03/19/2014 7:10:34 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: GeronL

Russia got tired of paying rent.


13 posted on 03/19/2014 7:10:35 PM PDT by Mashood
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To: Mashood

It’s going to be a lot more expensive e now- if they actually the promises they made for the fake referendum


14 posted on 03/19/2014 7:11:43 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: GeronL

Yes we are ,we lack a superpresident.


15 posted on 03/19/2014 7:11:49 PM PDT by fatima (Free Hugs Today :))
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To: allendale
Those Ukrainian soldiers earned the respect of everyone including the Russians.

I can go along with that.

16 posted on 03/19/2014 7:17:10 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: tcrlaf
" . . . as Ukraine announced it planned to hold joint military exercises with the United States and great Britain" . .

That'll be the day . . .

17 posted on 03/19/2014 7:18:15 PM PDT by atc23 (The Confederacy was the single greatest conservative resistance to federal authority ever)
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To: LowTaxesEqualsProsperity

I wonder if the transvestite US soldiers performing on that base in Japan made Putin scared?


18 posted on 03/19/2014 7:18:22 PM PDT by icwhatudo (Low taxes and less spending in Sodom and Gomorrah is not my idea of a conservative victory)
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To: tcrlaf
Ukraine finally realized that the promises Clinton made to protect Ukraine if they gave up their weapons wasn't worth the paper it was printed on

Too bad they were missing their copy of the US Constitution.

The President cannot commit the States or the people to anything without 2/3 of the Senate to ratify a treaty. The Budapest "memorandum" was never presented to the Senate for ratification, so its bottom-line meaning is - nothing.

19 posted on 03/19/2014 7:19:12 PM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise. H)
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To: Girlene

Ping.


20 posted on 03/19/2014 7:22:40 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: tcrlaf

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/who-and-what-is-vladimir-putin/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=who-and-what-is-vladimir-putin


21 posted on 03/19/2014 8:22:51 PM PDT by josef.roe2
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To: tcrlaf

One thing is clear - the Ukrainians are not Chechens.


22 posted on 03/19/2014 8:25:43 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: josef.roe2
Wow, Pat Buchanan wrote that pile of doo-doo feces?

From Pat's article: He saw a Mother Russia that had been looted by oligarchs abetted by Western crony capitalists, including Americans.

Right. What is Putin's net worth estimated to be? $70 billion? Putin is the king of the looting oligarchs.
23 posted on 03/19/2014 8:38:12 PM PDT by Girlene (Hey, NSA!)
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To: Army Air Corps

Thanks for the ping. Wonder how many will stay in Crimea. Tough situation for them.


24 posted on 03/19/2014 8:48:55 PM PDT by Girlene (Hey, NSA!)
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To: tcrlaf

Looks like Putin has marched into his Rhineland, next into his Austria, then his Czechoslovakia, and God help him if he thinks he’s going to go into Poland again. Clinton already gave us “peace in our time”, like Chamberlain did. That funny guy with the uniform and mustache said later; “He was such a nice fellow, that when he asked for my autograph, I gave it to him.” So many parallels here. Anyone who is elderly in the Ukraine is probably thinking, “these are not the same Americans that helped us in the early 30’s.” They would be 110% correct too.


25 posted on 03/19/2014 8:53:39 PM PDT by Bringbackthedraft (2016 an election or a coronation of a Queen?)
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To: tcrlaf

If Putin plans to rebuild the Russian Empire and make himself the new Czar, and tries to rebuild the Russian Empire with Orthodox Christian values and displace the Muslim invaders from the south, and godless atheist from the west, I wish him the best of luck, but if he wants to rebuild the atheist paradise, the Soviet Union, we’ll have to stop him.

So yeah, I’m a white Russian conservative, who doesn’t like Bolsheviks.


26 posted on 03/19/2014 8:54:15 PM PDT by josef.roe2
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To: Girlene; All
Wow, Pat Buchanan wrote that pile of doo-doo feces? From Pat's article: "He saw a Mother Russia that had been looted by oligarchs abetted by Western crony capitalists, including Americans."

In the first years following Glasnost, there was chaos - and an abundance of 'Western crony capitalists, including Americans..." with Al Gore at the head of the list.

Ole Al had/s many less than stella Russians and communist connections, inherited from his father - one of whom was often in the Gore home when he as a boy - Armand Hammer.

These 'crony capitalitsts' oozed into Russia to establish businesses, syphoning/pocketing the profits while paying their Russian employees a pittance.

It took time, but most of these scumbags slowly got pushed out...

Buchanan, if he were in Russia during those first years, could hardly have missed seeing JUST what he said he did...a mad influx of foreigners in a grab for the gold.

27 posted on 03/19/2014 8:59:54 PM PDT by maine-iac7 (Christian is as Christian does - by their fruits)
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To: tcrlaf

It’s just history repeating itself, as it does so often.

I can’t get upset about the Crimea. (Charge of the Light Brigade. Been going on since 1853.) Some regions of the world are just perennial hotspots.

No, we should not commit troops here. Or anywhere.

Good old George Washington: “Avoid foreign entanglements.”

No more Wounded Warriors. No more armless legless vets. No more young dads who can’t recognize their own children.

I am sick and tired of foreign wars.


28 posted on 03/19/2014 9:12:06 PM PDT by miserare (2014--The Year We Fight Back!)
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To: Bringbackthedraft

Who said “I looked into Putin’s eyes and saw his soul”?


29 posted on 03/19/2014 9:12:10 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: VerySadAmerican

GWB did.

However George didn’t report if he saw flames too.


30 posted on 03/19/2014 9:15:07 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Girlene
Thanks for the ping. Wonder how many will stay in Crimea. Tough situation for them.

Why?

the Crimeans have had 'tough situation' under the Ukraine.

THe Crimeans history is as Russians, They speak Russian, consider themselves Russian.

Ukraine was moving to put Ukraine AND Crimea under NATO and the EU.

The Crimeans petitioned Russia to protect them and let them again be made part of Russia.

Did Putin 'invade' or 'occupy' Crimea, or, at Crimea's request, enter the country and align the troops along the Ukraine border to protect the Crimeans, giving them time to have their LEGAL Referendum?

Question: If Putin had 'invaded' Crimea as an enemy, why was there not one shot fired? Why did he position his troops up along the Ukraine border?

Why does everyone still dutifully swallow whatever the politicians and their lap dog media spout? Is there no independent thinking or research - or knowledge of history anymore?

And why is our dear leader so adamant against this and so protective of Ukraine? Could it be connected with Turkey's call to all muslims to come to the aid of their Brothers (the Muslim Brotherhood) in the Ukraine?

Putin fights AGAINST these jihardists. Our dear leader fights for them.

Our media covers for dear leader.

Our Sheeple swallow the hogwash.

31 posted on 03/19/2014 9:19:54 PM PDT by maine-iac7 (Christian is as Christian does - by their fruits)
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To: maine-iac7
Buchanan, if he were in Russia during those first years, could hardly have missed seeing JUST what he said he did...a mad influx of foreigners in a grab for the gold.

That may be, but the point of Pat's article was to justify Putin's actions now....to say that Putin sees himself as a "Protector of Russia" who was influenced by those who took advantage of Russia - "the looting oligarchs abetted by Western crony capitalists" among other things. Putin IS a looting oligarch.
32 posted on 03/19/2014 9:22:59 PM PDT by Girlene (Hey, NSA!)
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To: tcrlaf

We were never going to get involved in a war with Russia.

And Crimea is simply not a vital interest for us. The Ukrainians are in the same position Finland found itself in after it lost two wars to Russia. Like Finland, it will have to live without some of its territory.

But that beats being carved up by Russia.


33 posted on 03/19/2014 9:27:50 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: GeronL

We are a superpower; Crimea just is not worth sacrificing American lives over. And unless we want to take over the naval base at Sevastopol in perpetuity, there is no way we could defend it. We’d be occupying a primarily Russian population that would hate our guts. After Iraq and Afghanistan, Americans are in no mood for another draining foreign occupation.


34 posted on 03/19/2014 9:31:23 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: GeronL

What is worse is that Russia ain’t much to write home about either.


35 posted on 03/19/2014 9:39:58 PM PDT by Dead Dog
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To: Dead Dog

That’s a part of the world we would do well to stay out of. There is a time for war but that time hasn’t arrived. What the Russians did is well what countries do when they have a score to settle and while we don’t appreciate their brute force falling upon a weaker country, we really couldn’t do anything about it. And I’m reminded here of the old, true and trite saying to the effect, “God helps those who help themselves.” No one ever said the world was fair.


36 posted on 03/19/2014 9:45:28 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop

Pretty much the same as the Balkans...”Not worth the bones of a single Pomeranian Grenadier.”


37 posted on 03/19/2014 9:46:33 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: maine-iac7

The Crimean is Russian only because the Soviets moved the Tartars out and Russians in, mostly in the 1950.

Crimea is Russian like Burbank is Mexican


38 posted on 03/19/2014 9:49:39 PM PDT by Dead Dog
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To: Dead Dog

Stalin did that in the 1940s by deporting all the Tartars and resettling the peninsula with ethnic Russians. Its kind of a Little Russian Island. Its demography, history, language and culture are vastly different from mainland Ukraine. Kiev held it with great difficulty in good times but the Maidan upheaval in February gave Crimean Russian separatists their long-sought after opening. Khruschev could not undo Stalin’s handiwork.


39 posted on 03/19/2014 9:56:22 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: tcrlaf

There have been reports of mass defections of Ukrainian troops in the East as well (especially Russian speakers and those who are Russian, as well as Communists). However, it appears that the Maidans are raising a National Guard and militia units to replace those who defected to Russia.


40 posted on 03/19/2014 10:01:53 PM PDT by Thunder90 (All posts soley represent my own opinion.)
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To: maine-iac7
Putin invaded a sovereign nation. Their "referendum" passed under a military occupation from an invading country.

The Crimeans petitioned Russia to protect them and let them again be made part of Russia.

Here's some more propaganda.


41 posted on 03/19/2014 10:05:13 PM PDT by Girlene (Hey, NSA!)
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To: goldstategop

The solution to this is simple, as long as people focus on the fundamentals.

The former Warsaw Pact needs to embrace their own second amendment/federalist 46. And we need to jam the global market with btu: oil, goal, gas, nuke. I find it ironic Putin called us out as leaches...let us see mother Russia produce something greater than its cost that they didn’t pump out of the ground.


42 posted on 03/19/2014 10:06:16 PM PDT by Dead Dog
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To: Girlene

A lot of them bought it - and Kiev’s crackdown on Russian separatism simply fueled fears the Maidan was anti-Russian and the way Kiev handled it drove almost every one on the island into Russian arms.

It could have been averted had a national unity government been set up. And separatism continues to be a threat in eastern and southern Ukraine.


43 posted on 03/19/2014 10:11:05 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: fatima

No the president is busy getting ready for the March Madness, can’t interfere with his basket ball poll. He is a joke and the world knows it. Putin sees right thru him.


44 posted on 03/19/2014 10:28:48 PM PDT by Busko (The only thing that is certain is that nothing is certain.)
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To: GeronL

Obama’s plan, another vacation to Martha’s Vineyard.


45 posted on 03/19/2014 10:38:02 PM PDT by Impy (RED=COMMUNIST, NOT REPUBLICAN)
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To: LowTaxesEqualsProsperity

yes..we are a sick nation..in need of...fhu.com


46 posted on 03/19/2014 10:40:55 PM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo in laughter")
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To: Repeal 16-17

Or Latvia.


47 posted on 03/20/2014 4:25:28 AM PDT by Pecos (The Chicago Way: Kill the Constitution, one step at a time.)
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To: Dead Dog
The Crimean is Russian only because the Soviets moved the Tartars out and Russians in, mostly in the 1950. Crimea is Russian like Burbank is Mexican

REally?

(The Crimea only became absorbed by The Ukraine when it was transferred in 1954.)

The Crimea has a long history, of course. The Greeks had it in BC and then the Romans and the Tartars etc etc - on up until the late 1700's when it was ANNEXED TO THE RUSSIAN EMPIRE. p>So that' puts their history with Russia a bit further back than 1950, perhaps?

Then, in the mid- 1800's, Russia went to war with the Ottoman Empire to protect the Orthodox Christians - a scenario now repeating itself. (This is a whole other story going on now - With Putin intent on the restoration of the Cathedrals and churches in Russia and the protection of the Orthodox Christians against the muzzies once again. You are aware that the muzzies, our dear leaders 'brothers' are slaughtering Christians again, right? You do know that Putin is the lone world leader calling for the other countries to step in and stop this, aren't you? Not one peep to protect The Christians from OUR leader...only massive intervention, gun running, etc to help his 'brothers' and turn as much of the world as he can over to them - or did you miss the Libya and Egypt illegal actions? (At least the Egyptians rose up and sent the 'brotherhood' packing).

Did you also miss that Turkey, since Putin went into The Crimea, has called for muzzies everywhere to come to the aid of the muzzie Brotherhood in The Crimea/Ukraine, right?

Hmmm - Putin is busy restoring and protecting Christians while OUR leader is intent on rebuilding the Caliphate.

Interesting.

48 posted on 03/20/2014 6:46:17 AM PDT by maine-iac7 (Christian is as Christian does - by their fruits)
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To: Dead Dog
The Crimean is Russian only because the Soviets moved the Tartars out and Russians in, mostly in the 1950.

If you want to play that game...Western Ukraine is Ukrainian only because the Poles were kicked out in 1939 by the Soviets.

49 posted on 03/20/2014 6:48:26 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Girlene

Actually, if we’re going by the “law” (I know, silly concept) the President of Ukraine asked Russia to help as there was a coup taken place. The leaders in Kiev, in my estimation, have absolutely zero credibility as leaders. They are not the true representatives of the country and as a result they don’t have the authority to tell Russia not to come into the country. Yanokovich is the leader of the country until he is voted out, dies or is impeached. Not sure why everyone is acting like some how that aggressive overthrow of the central government was legal. I think what has really happened here is that what happened in Lybia was the straw that broke the Camel’s back. It was a gross over reach by the western powers and it will cost us all relative stability in the world.


50 posted on 03/20/2014 6:50:50 AM PDT by wiseprince
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