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Search and rescue volunteers charged with sexually abusing teen
KATU.com ^ | 3/21/14

Posted on 03/21/2014 11:54:29 AM PDT by madprof98

KEIZER, Ore. – Keizer police arrested a husband and wife on sex abuse charges after investigators learned the couple had a sexual relationship with a 17-year-old.

The three were Marion County Search and Rescue volunteers, according to the sheriff’s office.

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Read the comments that follow the article. Almost everyone supports the couple who decided to bring a 17-year-old into their sexual relationship. After all, this is the 21st century! I'm telling you, the country we knew is DEAD.
1 posted on 03/21/2014 11:54:29 AM PDT by madprof98
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To: madprof98

holy crap. You’re right. The comments are disgraceful. They act as if the victim and victim’s family are the ones being ridiculous.

They scoff that this 17 yr old girl is called a “child” and that she should darn well be having sex by now, like it or not!


2 posted on 03/21/2014 11:57:21 AM PDT by Tigercap
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To: madprof98

the country we knew is DEAD.

Oh quit being a fossil, go find your’re own threesome.
/D


3 posted on 03/21/2014 11:57:42 AM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: madprof98

Prison for many years I would hope


4 posted on 03/21/2014 11:57:49 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: Tigercap

Keep this up and that age will drop like a stone, the age of consent in pervert land japan is 12, and kiddie porn is legal

The slope has a big drop off


5 posted on 03/21/2014 11:59:31 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: tet68

Oops, /S. sorry.
Dang my eyesight is getting worse and worse.
Maybe I just need to find two 18 year old girls
to sit on my lap and read the screen for me.


6 posted on 03/21/2014 12:00:26 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Tigercap

I couldn’t find in that article whether it is a girl or a boy.


7 posted on 03/21/2014 12:01:15 PM PDT by Valpal1 (If the police can t solve a problem with violence, they ll find a way to fix it with brute force)
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To: Valpal1

Me, either. I am thinking it was a boy? Because the woman pervert seemed to have more severe charges. ??


8 posted on 03/21/2014 12:04:59 PM PDT by NEMDF
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To: madprof98

looks like most of those comments are from the same four low lifes posting again and again.


9 posted on 03/21/2014 12:07:34 PM PDT by MNDude
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To: NEMDF

I found other articles, it was a girl. The additional charges stem from child porn, so my guess is they were making videos and more of them were girl on girl action than otherwise.


10 posted on 03/21/2014 12:09:28 PM PDT by Valpal1 (If the police can t solve a problem with violence, they ll find a way to fix it with brute force)
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To: Tigercap

in NY the age of consent is 17 in many states 16. most states are 16 or 17. sounds like these 2 were in the wrong state.

isn’t Oregon the state where beastiality is allowed???


11 posted on 03/21/2014 12:11:25 PM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: madprof98

There are plenty of people right here on FR, who if this were an attractive teacher and a 17 year old boy, would be commenting “not guilty”.


12 posted on 03/21/2014 12:12:19 PM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: madprof98
The offenses are terrible.

BUT, what did their volunteer activities as "rescuers" have to do with anything? Was the teen someone they had "rescued"?

Of late, I see "journalists" trying to "hang a label on" offenders -- especially if they can identify them with some group they want to smear by association.

13 posted on 03/21/2014 12:15:51 PM PDT by TXnMA (Remember the Alamo! Remember Goliad! REPEAT San Jacinto!!!)
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To: Tigercap
They scoff that this 17 yr old girl is called a “child”

I sure scoffed, as did virtually all my fellow Freepers, when 17-year-old Trayvon Martin was called a "child" by the media, his racist enablers and the prosecutors in the courtroom.

17 years old is NOT a child. And personally, I don't consider a 17-year-old girl too young to have consensual sex, although I understand that the law generally doesn't recognize a right to consent until someone is 18.

14 posted on 03/21/2014 12:29:56 PM PDT by Maceman
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To: madprof98

Well, unfortunately the Pacific Northwest is noted for endemic levels of perversion. Sadly it doesn’t surprise me much to find a whole bunch of locals passionately defending a ménage à trois involving a high-schooler.

I’ve been over most of this nation, and I have never seen the level of WEIRD that I have through Oregon and Washington. The wet-sides of those two states are, well, odd.

I’ve never personally been there, but I’ve heard some stories, so here’s a yelp review of a restaurant that closed down over in Lincoln City - a full service tourist trap gift shop, vegan restaurant, bar, head shop, and adult toy store. http://www.yelp.com/biz/aunt-marys-toaster-bistro-lincoln-city

There’s something in the water over on the wet-side, I can tell ya that.


15 posted on 03/21/2014 12:31:39 PM PDT by jameslalor
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To: jameslalor

You paint with a rather broad brush - there are oddballs everywhere, and you sound like one.


16 posted on 03/21/2014 12:36:39 PM PDT by dainbramaged (Don't tell me, I'll tell you.)
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To: GeronL

Interesting historical factoid.

Prior to the late 19th century in USA, age of consent in most states was 10, with a few at 12 and I believe at least one at 8.


17 posted on 03/21/2014 12:36:43 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan

And your point?

I am sure in cave man days any age was okay

Does not make it okay


18 posted on 03/21/2014 12:38:46 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: GeronL

Just that before we go around denouncing other societies we might want to have some historical perspective on our own.

Were our ancestors of the 18th and 19th century all perverts and pedophiles?

I also think it is ludicrous to classify a 17 year old as a child in this context.

I am fine with the law and the charges, but we should recognize that the age is a legalism and doesn’t reflect any greater harm likely to the “victim” than if she were six months older.

Though you’d think the morons charged would know that and find someone a tad older to get perverted with.


19 posted on 03/21/2014 12:42:54 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: GeronL

It should be noted that Japan is very weird.

Here we dress up six year old little girls like they’re 20 and have them strut around on stage like strippers.

In Japan they have 40 year old women dressing up like junior high school girls to get male attention.

Very odd.


20 posted on 03/21/2014 12:46:11 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: madprof98

17 year olds can certainly consent to sex. That does not mean they can not also be coerced, forced, intimidated, and/or manipulated into having sex.


21 posted on 03/21/2014 12:47:54 PM PDT by lastchance ("Nisi credideritis, non intelligetis" St. Augustine)
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To: lastchance

Define “manipulated”?

According to feminists, all Male-Female sex is “manipulated.”


22 posted on 03/21/2014 12:49:24 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Sherman Logan

In japan kiddie porn is legal and near-smut mags and DVDs are a thriving industry called U-15 (under 15)


23 posted on 03/21/2014 12:49:54 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: dainbramaged

“You paint with a rather broad brush - there are oddballs everywhere, and you sound like one.”

Trust me, the Pacific Northwest has a higher per-capita rate of oddballness than anywhere in the nation outside of San Francisco or Venice Beach.

Oregon consistently has the highest or second highest per-capita rate of sex offenders in the nation year after year, easily five times the rates in the lowest reporting states. For a couple of years Washington had higher rape rates than any other state in the union, though thankfully that has dropped over the last decade.

Calling me an oddball by being shocked about these states is akin to calling someone an oddball for being shocked after moving to San Francisco.


24 posted on 03/21/2014 12:50:26 PM PDT by jameslalor
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To: GeronL

They also have some very odd restrictions on what can be shown in their porn, making most American porn illegal.


25 posted on 03/21/2014 12:50:54 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: lastchance

Coercion, force and (possibly) intimidation to get sex are illegal regardless of age.


26 posted on 03/21/2014 12:52:31 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan

And sex outside of marriage was adultry, and sodomy was prosecuted.
As long as it’s a return to All oof the relevant statutes that served to protect society in general and teens in particular thats good.

That is what you meant right?


27 posted on 03/21/2014 12:53:21 PM PDT by MrEdd (vHeck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: Sherman Logan

can we kick a 17 year old out of the house since they are so mature?

if they are old enough for sex they are old enough to get their own place and raise their own family


28 posted on 03/21/2014 12:54:31 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: MrEdd

Works for me.

BTW, sex outside of marriage by a married person is still adultery. It’s just (outside the military) not a crime anymore.


29 posted on 03/21/2014 12:56:13 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: madprof98

In many states, anyone 16 and older can have sex with anyone else who is age 16 and over.

The crime is committed when an individual is photographed or videotaped having sex when that individual are under 18.

It makes very little sense that a dirty old man can shag a teenager legally, but he has crossed the line if he takes a nude picture of the teen. Don’t get me wrong... they’re both horrible acts. But one is criminal and the other is just fine and dandy.

Messed up.


30 posted on 03/21/2014 12:58:18 PM PDT by mn-bush-man
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To: Sherman Logan

“Were our ancestors of the 18th and 19th century all perverts and pedophiles?”

Well since you mentioned historical perspective, it would be worthwhile to point out that western societies HISTORICALLY frowned upon marriage to teenagers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hajnal_line

In the areas of Europe that fostered modern civilization, the average age of marriage for women was 23, and the average age of marriage was 26 for men. Likewise, relations outside of marriage were strongly discouraged. This phenomenon has been called the ‘Western European marriage pattern’, and it’s a hallmark of advanced civilization.

Moral behavior tends to support and further human advancement, if you have trouble identifying with the former it would be advisable to at least aim for the latter. Adults engaging in sexual relationship with high-schoolers is both obviously morally repugnant and functionally disadvantageous.


31 posted on 03/21/2014 1:06:16 PM PDT by jameslalor
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To: madprof98
"After all, this is the 21st century!"

After all, it's also OREGON!

32 posted on 03/21/2014 1:09:40 PM PDT by Baynative (Got bulbs? Check my profile page.)
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To: GeronL

“can we kick a 17 year old out of the house since they are so mature?”

The kid can move out on their own at 16 in most states, but they have to petition the court to do so.

You can joint the military at 17.


33 posted on 03/21/2014 1:11:21 PM PDT by Beagle8U (Unions are an Affirmative Action program for Slackers! .)
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To: Sherman Logan

I know that.


34 posted on 03/21/2014 1:20:06 PM PDT by lastchance ("Nisi credideritis, non intelligetis" St. Augustine)
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To: Sherman Logan
Interesting historical factoid.

Do you have an "interesting historical documentation-oid" for this?

Marriages were legal at 16 and younger in times past. However, your extraordinarily young ages seem a bit extreme.

35 posted on 03/21/2014 1:22:24 PM PDT by BwanaNdege
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To: TXnMA

That’s exactly what I was thinking. What purpose does “volunteer search and rescue rapists” have to do with anything. They may have well said “Elemetary School Graduates.” Of course we all know if they were republicans it would have been “Republican voters, supporters, who donated money to Mitt Romney and shop at Walmart rape 17 year old child.”


36 posted on 03/21/2014 1:47:44 PM PDT by Organic Panic
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To: Tigercap

[ holy crap. You’re right. The comments are disgraceful. They act as if the victim and victim’s family are the ones being ridiculous.

They scoff that this 17 yr old girl is called a “child” and that she should darn well be having sex by now, like it or not! ]

We are so screwed up as a society that we consider a 17 year a precious little child and our culture infantalizes the young adults up to the their 30’s and we baby them even then...

Back in the 1800’s a 17 year old was already married and was working on starting a family and building a homestead.

We keep pushing back adulthood further and further until you won’t be considered an adult until you are 50 years old....

I blame the education system and media, in terms of toughness and grit I would put a 16 year old man on the 1800’s against a 24 year old college child from our era any day of the week.

The reality is mentally the 17 year old girl is still a child because too many people have listened to Dr. Spock’s horrible advise and we don’t expect our children to grow up in this day and age.


37 posted on 03/21/2014 2:00:49 PM PDT by GraceG
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To: BwanaNdege

Who said anything about marriage? I was talking about the age of consent for sexual relations.

Here’s a table for you from various countries and states over time:

https://chnm.gmu.edu/cyh/primary-sources/24


38 posted on 03/21/2014 2:38:41 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: jameslalor

In Southern Oregon and outside the big cities, it’s pretty much normal. Farmers, ranchers, loggers, retired folk, etc.

It’s just the metro areas that are weird.

Oregon also has very liberal gun laws: must-issue CCW, Class III allowed and easy to get, open carry, private sale of guns.

Ed


39 posted on 03/21/2014 3:42:56 PM PDT by Sir_Ed
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