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How much weight should our opposition to abortion carry in our voting decisions?
ligonier.org ^ | 3/22/14 | RC Sproul, Jr

Posted on 03/22/2014 2:46:47 PM PDT by SoFloFreeper

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To: theBuckwheat

That never happens.


61 posted on 03/22/2014 6:59:07 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: ansel12

Agreed


62 posted on 03/22/2014 7:48:12 PM PDT by SatinDoll (A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN IS BORN IN THE USA OF USA CITIZEN PARENTS)
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To: Linda Frances

Not a problem.


63 posted on 03/22/2014 8:33:15 PM PDT by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: ansel12

That was just a response to someone saying Pro-Life Politicians don’t do well, obviously, Rand won Ky. That’s all, I’m not really talking about the same-sex marriage issue. Hopefully, debates would clear things up and seeing his voting record on other issues. Yes, I have heard what he has been saying lately.


64 posted on 03/22/2014 8:43:09 PM PDT by BeadCounter (morning glory evening grace)
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To: BeadCounter

Rand Paul has taken a position against social conservatism and for gay marriage, and for changing the party platform.

Question:
Right. But it seems what they’re saying is that the Republican Party should stay out of issues like gay marriage.

Rand Paul:
I think that the Republican Party, in order to get bigger, will have to agree to disagree on social issues. The Republican Party is not going to give up on having quite a few people who do believe in traditional marriage. But the Republican Party also has to find a place for young people and others who don’t want to be festooned by those issues.


65 posted on 03/22/2014 8:59:10 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: ansel12

This thread is about abortion and the issue was whether pro-life politicians could win.


66 posted on 03/22/2014 9:03:45 PM PDT by BeadCounter (morning glory evening grace)
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To: ansel12

Respectfully, Rand Paul may well be saying let the States or other local government, local voters decide on Same Sex Marriage, in fact, he could be saying that about Social Issues in general. That’s the only reason I said this thread is not about that in particular because it’s a bit of an argument that one would have to go in depth about.


67 posted on 03/22/2014 9:12:32 PM PDT by BeadCounter (morning glory evening grace)
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To: BeadCounter

Look, you posted to me about Rand Paul, and I responded to you, after your second Rand Paul post.

To: BeadCounter
Rand has come out against social conservatism though, and taking a gay marriage stance.

I question his sincerity. When a politician claims to believe something deeply, but pursues an agenda that makes his claimed goal impossible, then something doesn’t add up.

50 posted on 3/22/2014 6:19:00 PM by ansel12


68 posted on 03/22/2014 9:15:44 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: BeadCounter

I’m not saying Rand Paul is my choice for President, all I am saying is he has sponsored pro-life legislation and was elected Senator of Kentucky. Nothing about other issues because that is a much more in-depth question. I’d vote for Cruz, Walker, Perry and perhaps other personal choices first.


69 posted on 03/22/2014 9:17:52 PM PDT by BeadCounter (morning glory evening grace)
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To: SoFloFreeper
I volunteered as a counselor for a crisis pregnancy center for years. I believe we can turn the whole issue around and have it backfire on the pro abortionist. Many women out there feel such guilt and would love to put some of the blame on others. First understand the girls/women who get abortions

There were three kinds of women who get abortions.

The selfish militant
These women come in with almost a hate for their baby. For them it's all about “me, me, me. My life, my future....These women tend to have multiple abortions. These are hardcore liberals who only care about themselves. The militant knows we hope to change their mind, but almost take pleasure in letting us know they only want the free test. These women are evil and will gladly lead others to evil. It will take an act of God to change them.

The gullible follower
These girls actually believe that abortion is ok otherwise the government would not allow it. They tend to be young and easily lead by the militant, and are convinced pro-lifers are lying to them. Most are uneducated and have no common sense. They very much want to be accepted by people who they think are intelligent. It's as if they can't stand back and see what they are about to do. Their minds have been blinded by the evil one.

The trapped girl
Many girls/women felt they were forced or pushed into the abortion by parents, boyfriends or husbands. These girls don't want to get an abortion, but even more, don't want to lose their boyfriend, husband or be thrown out of their home. Some are abused physically, emotionally, mentally. Many of these girls are very insecure and fear they will be rejected by those who love them or scared they will be thrown into the street. Think about what kind of parent would want to kill their own grandchild, then you'll understand these girls fear. We always try to get the baby's father or parent into the office. Most times they won't come in but cases where the parent or baby's father came in, the baby was not aborted. We have wonderful men who come in to talk with the boyfriend or husband. When big life changing events happen many people overreact and make decisions they later regret.

The last two normally, in time normally regret their decision. These women have higher rates of drug and alcohol abuse and suicide. Many never get the true help they need; forgiveness from God. They suffer silently.

The trapped and gullible follower who do get help normally become our biggest pro-life advocates for the cause. 75% of women who volunteer at the CPCs aborted a baby. (I did not) it's almost a form of repentance to them. Most who come to PATH post abortion therapy healing, become a Christian.

I say this because just like the article said, one day, maybe soon, people are going to look back and ask who is to blame. I think good commercials with the facts would make people to stop and realize what this country has done. Something to think about.

70 posted on 03/22/2014 9:18:31 PM PDT by Linda Frances (Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness.)
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To: BeadCounter

Respectfully nothing, we aren’t here to play fools and deceive ourselves about politicians out to defeat our politics.

Rand isn’t running for Governor, Rand is a Senator voting on federal law, and is running for president, gays in the military, abortion on federal lands, gay marriage in the military and in federal employment and in immigration are not “state” issues, they are issues of bigger and more costly federal government.


71 posted on 03/22/2014 9:19:21 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: sagar

Except for the fact that doctors are already licensed. There is a reason we regulate the medical profession. Straw man much?


72 posted on 03/22/2014 9:20:45 PM PDT by antidisestablishment (Islam delenda est)
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To: BeadCounter
I’d vote for Cruz, Walker, Perry and perhaps other personal choices first.

In that same interview where Paul came out for moving the party left, he also came out against Cruz.

73 posted on 03/22/2014 9:22:04 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: ansel12

Paul is probably Isolationist for lack of a better term compared to Cruz. So yes, they will have differences.


74 posted on 03/22/2014 9:25:01 PM PDT by BeadCounter (morning glory evening grace)
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To: sagar

That is childish rambling, just total nonsense.


75 posted on 03/22/2014 9:26:25 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: BeadCounter

LOL, you really work at this.

Their big differences so far are on conservatism, social issues, that was what that interview was about.


76 posted on 03/22/2014 9:29:06 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: SoFloFreeper

I am generally not a “one issue” voter, but on abortion I have to draw the line. I would never, knowingly, vote for a pro choice, pro abortion candidate.

I am a hardliner, in that the ONLY exception I believe in, is for the LIFE of the mother. Not “health”, not “injury”, only LIFE.

I will still vote for the right candidate who is pro life with the standard exceptions.


77 posted on 03/22/2014 10:44:20 PM PDT by faucetman ( Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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To: SatinDoll; SoFloFreeper
Indeed, we’ll be remembered as those “Christians” who elected men to office who believed that the state ought to protect the rights of some mothers to murder their babies.

Pretty clever of you Satin to grab a quote that seems to support your pro-abortion statement, when you know well this article had noting to do with individual state rights, because the article is affirming the US Constitution's protection of the right of all humans, to Life, Liberty and Pursuit of Happiness.

78 posted on 03/22/2014 10:48:02 PM PDT by itsahoot (Voting for a RINO is the same as voting for any other Tyrant.)
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To: Ouderkirk
you can’t do anything if you don’t have a majority.

We don't do anything when we have the majority either, at least not on the issues that count. Reagan promised he would abolish the Department of Education, he was opposed to abortion and had all three branches to help but it didn't happen, didn't even come up. How about the money to the National Endowment for the Arts, that every Republican promises to defund it, yet they never bring it up when the have control.

Voting for RINOs is the same as voting for any other Tyrant.

79 posted on 03/22/2014 10:53:11 PM PDT by itsahoot (Voting for RINOs is the same as voting for any other Tyrant.)
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To: bicyclerepair

We have laws against murder. When would you have those apply? At what age is a human being considered old enough to fall within the protection of our law?


80 posted on 03/22/2014 10:53:27 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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