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Malaysia Airlines crash: Suicide mission theory of MH370 investigators
UK Telegram ^ | Jonathan Peralman

Posted on 03/24/2014 5:06:49 PM PDT by B212

By Jonathan Pearlman, in Kuala Lumpur 9:00PM GMT 24 Mar 2014 Flight MH370 crashed into the Indian Ocean in an apparent suicide mission, well-placed sources revealed have revealed, as Malaysia’s prime minister announced that everyone on the missing aircraft had died. The team investigating the Boeing 777’s disappearance believe no malfunction or fire was capable of causing the aircraft’s unusual flight or the disabling of its communications system before it veered wildly off course on a seven-hour silent flight into the sea. An analysis of the flight’s routing, signalling and communications shows that it was flown “in a rational way”. An official source told The Telegraph that investigators believe “this has been a deliberate act by someone on board who had to have had the detailed knowledge to do what was done ... Nothing is emerging that points to motive.”

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Australia/New Zealand; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: alreadyposted; china; flight370; fullofcrap; malaysia; mh370; noitdidnt; nosmokinggun
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1 posted on 03/24/2014 5:06:49 PM PDT by B212
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To: B212

Just an act of random pilotage?
I suppose it happens.


2 posted on 03/24/2014 5:08:47 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: B212

Where’s the debris pics?

They find the crash site but no floaties?


3 posted on 03/24/2014 5:09:13 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

Maybe the pilot did a D B Cooper to escape his country and marriage breakup!


4 posted on 03/24/2014 5:12:53 PM PDT by tired&retired
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To: dragnet2
They find the crash site but no floaties?

If the plan dove into the sea at Mach I+, they might only find a few little bitty pieces.

5 posted on 03/24/2014 5:14:21 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Obamacare: You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.)
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To: B212

Call me skeptical...no apologies. “1984” means “they say this they say that” but what is real?

Sure, they say satellite pings say it’s there...who the heck is believable any more other than God?

It isn’t right that we even have any doubts about trusting those with information, but, that is the age we are in...


6 posted on 03/24/2014 5:15:47 PM PDT by CincyRichieRich (Evil is evil; call it as it is.)
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To: B212

People have been asking how you could lose something the size of a 777. Click on the link to see an animation of all the world’s flights over a 24 hour period.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1L4GUA8arY


7 posted on 03/24/2014 5:17:41 PM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: B212

What’s this the 15th theory...probably, most likely, etc, etc.


8 posted on 03/24/2014 5:17:58 PM PDT by jacknhoo (Luke 12:51. Think ye, that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, no; but separation.)
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To: Jeff Chandler

More than a few “little bitty pieces”.

There are probably 5,000 items on that sized aircraft that float, and would float even through and after a typhoon...

The debris might move a bit, but it will be there.


9 posted on 03/24/2014 5:21:16 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

Yea me to. I ain’t seen nothing yet to convince me of anything. Positive ID on some junk and a body and I’ll believe it.


10 posted on 03/24/2014 5:22:22 PM PDT by gfbtbb (Ladies and Gentlemen, we are on our own.)
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To: Jeff Chandler

Just the bright colored floatation devises alone would number into the hundreds and be serialized...


11 posted on 03/24/2014 5:23:07 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

Yea me to. I ain’t seen nothing yet to convince me of anything. Positive ID on some junk and a body and I’ll believe it.


12 posted on 03/24/2014 5:23:29 PM PDT by gfbtbb (Ladies and Gentlemen, we are on our own.)
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To: B212

Tell me your yesterday’s dearly loved theory and I’ll tell you if you are a disbeliever of this news.


13 posted on 03/24/2014 5:24:48 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Badwhereas things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious! We reserve the right to serve refuse to anyone!)
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To: B212
Sounds like some sort of modified Payne Stewart scenario. We'll have to wait for the black boxes.

Turning off the transponder at a vulnerable point (between two ATCs) and then turning west certainly indicates foul play of some sort. If there had been some sort of legitimate emergency at that point, the rational thing to have done would have been to make a U-turn and head for the north coast of the Malay Peninsula, e.g., to Sultan Mahmud (TGG), which has an 11,417 foot asphalt runway perpendicular to the shore, a distance of only 111 miles.

So, maybe there was fight over the controls, somehow resulting in a zombie headed south.

14 posted on 03/24/2014 5:24:53 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: Gen.Blather

bttt


15 posted on 03/24/2014 5:27:10 PM PDT by advertising guy
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To: CincyRichieRich

If you look at the official explanation for locating the crash site, the conclusion is based entirely on an unproven mathematical model. The model may be correct, but it also leaves the door open for all kinds of conspiracy theories.


16 posted on 03/24/2014 5:27:40 PM PDT by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: gfbtbb
You bet...Aircraft that that are not made to touch anything but air....Hiting the ocean at any speed, it's breaking up bad...

Unless that is the pilot pulled off another US Airways Flight "Chesley B. "Sully" Sullenbergerand", who ditched in the Hudson River off midtown Manhattan with no loss of life.

But the Hudson is calm compared to the ocean...and if he had time to land it gently on the water, where were was the radio chatter?

17 posted on 03/24/2014 5:28:47 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

I don’t think they found a crash site yet either. I think they just decided the plane went down where they say it did based on a re-evaluation of prior satellite data.

So far, until they locate actual stuff from the plane, this answer is as useless as all the other bologna we have heard.

But...we will see after the storms hit, but then we will hear it is impossible now to find the debris.

That takes it back to a mystery which may or may not ever be solved. The conspiracy theories will never end.


18 posted on 03/24/2014 5:30:30 PM PDT by dforest
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To: gfbtbb

Even US Airways Flight “Chesley B. “Sully” Sullenberger had time to talk to the ATC before going in....


19 posted on 03/24/2014 5:30:36 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: cynwoody

“Sounds like some sort of modified Payne Stewart scenario.”

I’ve been thinking the same thing.

perhaps some chemical agent was released in the cockpit or a pressurization issue which left all occupants dead or incapacitated. From there a zombie flight to the most remote ocean area on the planet.


20 posted on 03/24/2014 5:31:15 PM PDT by Oliviaforever
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To: dforest
But...we will see after the storms hit, but then we will hear it is impossible now to find the debris.

Don't buy it...The floaties would move somewhat together along with the wind currents...Like the Japan tsunami.. Not saying it didn't hit the water, but I'd like to see pics of crash debris...

21 posted on 03/24/2014 5:36:16 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2
I don't know if this is true but I know I don't trust government, especially the one in Malaysia. Does suicide explain the actions of the pilot, co pilot and whoever disconnected that tracking device? Were both pilots involved in this suicide mission?
22 posted on 03/24/2014 5:37:43 PM PDT by peeps36 (I'm Not A Racist, I Hate Douchebags of All Colors)
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To: dragnet2

There was an incident last night with another Malaysian plane..going to South Korea there was some sort of electrical fire on board and guess what..the plane landed SAFELY and another thing..the pilots never turned off ACARS, never turned off the transponder either..they called it in and reported it and did what needed to be done to land the plane..no secrecy, no strange maneuvers


23 posted on 03/24/2014 5:41:02 PM PDT by Sarah Barracuda
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To: B212

The supposed facts have changed so many times on this story that I’m not saying anything till they have verified wreckage.


24 posted on 03/24/2014 5:41:36 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Do The Math)
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To: peeps36

Don’t know...There has been so much information/speculation etc, it’s pretty incredible..


25 posted on 03/24/2014 5:44:20 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: B212
Seems like flying for four hours all the while with the intent to commit suicide would be a little on the masochistic side.

And with a copilot and navigator who knew what was going on. They would have to.

26 posted on 03/24/2014 5:45:14 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: tet68

I believe such events of known random pilotage suicide have happened at least 3 times in history with moslem virgin seeking martys at the controls. There is historical precedent. Theory cannot be discounted, and should be at the top of the list—certainly a highly likely scenario.


27 posted on 03/24/2014 5:54:33 PM PDT by whistleduck
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To: peeps36

>>Were both pilots involved in this suicide mission?<<

I doubt we’ll ever know the truth for sure, but ever since the news came out of the pilot’s interest in the political opponent who was apparently railroaded at a trial just one day before the plane disappeared, I’ve suspected that the pilot commandeered the plane.

I think that if that’s the case he probably thought about doing a 9/11 on the Malaysian government which is why he swung around and turned south. If he came to his senses eventually, dumping the plane in the Indian Ocean would only make sense if he’d already dispatched the passengers and the rest of the crew.

If the plane is ever found and there’s evidence that the pilot was flying it, and the passengers were already dead, that would support what I’m saying, but unless he confessed to the black box or something, I doubt anyone will ever know even if we find the plane eventually.


28 posted on 03/24/2014 5:55:21 PM PDT by Norseman (Defund the Left-Completely!)
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To: B212

My map collection isn’t what it was but it seems that this aircraft flew the reciprocal of its route to Beijing. Both in its heading and air miles. If true I think it interesting.


29 posted on 03/24/2014 5:59:19 PM PDT by xkaydet65 (.You have never tasted freedom, else you would know it is purchased not with gold but with steel)
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To: B212
Flight MH370 crashed into the Indian Ocean in an apparent suicide mission, well-placed sources revealed

What, they had a source placed into the cockpit? The source must have parachuted out just in time.

30 posted on 03/24/2014 6:03:09 PM PDT by Meet the New Boss
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To: CincyRichieRich

Agreed. This makes no sense and is rather random. It’s almost like they decided......”OK, let’s wrap this up”. Something is just not right with this.....


31 posted on 03/24/2014 6:03:55 PM PDT by ALASKA (Disgusted.....)
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"Nor have any leads emerged from an intensive police investigation into the two prime suspects, Zaharie Ahmad Shah, the 53-year-old pilot, and Fariq. Neither has any known background of extremism....."

They were both Muslims. That alone is prima facie evidence of extremism.

32 posted on 03/24/2014 6:12:10 PM PDT by norwaypinesavage (for)
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To: B212

Is General McInerney standing by his theory from his inside sources?

I don’t watch “Fox” so just asking.


33 posted on 03/24/2014 6:12:14 PM PDT by americas.best.days... ( I think we can now say that they are behind us.)
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To: B212

I don’t believe I’ve read prior anywhere what I’m about to write. If it’s a dupe, so be it:

What if the Captain pulled an ‘Egypt-Air’ “Alla-hackbar”, and the Malay government & the US are keeping it from the public (for obvious reasons)? Without regard to how it supposedly got so far down south (a suicide wouldn’t have flown so far).

Again, just throwing it out there. Occurred to me a week ago, but I haven’t cared about this much until they started pulling more ‘geek’ to locate a crash zone and then leapt upon that to declare it crashed with no wreckage.


34 posted on 03/24/2014 6:14:35 PM PDT by logi_cal869
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To: Gen.Blather

Interesting video. I noticed that only 3 flights passed even remotely close to the current search area. I wonder what, if any, shipping traffic there is down there...


35 posted on 03/24/2014 6:23:45 PM PDT by Hatteras
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To: logi_cal869

“(a suicide wouldn’t have flown so far).”

He might have if he wanted the plane to just disappear and be a mystery. If this turns out to be the case, the only thing that apparently ruined it was the pinger on the engines.


36 posted on 03/24/2014 6:32:54 PM PDT by PLMerite
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To: tet68

What about insurance fraud? I wonder if the pilot or copilot had a large life insurance policy. I mean, it seems it was a deliberate attempt to evade radar, and the plane is ditched in a very remote part of the ocean. If not for the engine pings (which almost nobody including the pilot knew about), it seems that the chances of finding the wreckage, or any information would be impossible other than small parts.

I don’t know if it would be possible to jump out of a 777 plane at low level/speed with a parachute. Could he arranged to have a boat pick him up out there?


37 posted on 03/24/2014 6:36:19 PM PDT by parmamenian
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To: Hatteras
Interesting video. I noticed that only 3 flights passed even remotely close to the current search area. I wonder what, if any, shipping traffic there is down there...

It certainly is desolate out there, between Australia and Africa.
I've also wondered about ship traffic in that area. I of at lest 4 different web sites that track air traffic around the world.

It would be orders of magnitude easier to do the same for ship traffic, but have been unable to find a web site that offers that information. I assume commercial ships of all kinds are expected to report their position periodically for safety and security, if for no other reason.

Anyone know of a "shipping" version of "Flight Aware?"

38 posted on 03/24/2014 6:36:30 PM PDT by publius911 ( At least Nixon had the good g race to resign!)
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To: B212

I’ve been wondering, if the pilot control-glided the plane into the ocean, a la Sullenberg in the Hudson, there would be no debris, and the plane would have sank without an immediate debris field. However, after plunging into the watery depths, the fuselage would have caved and any and all buoyant material would have risen to the surface.

Of course, I don’t know if any of this happened, I am just postulating a scenario where there wasn’t an impact site to scatter airplane parts for 2 thousand yards.

I keep thinking of the movie Cast Away with Tim Hanks and thinking “How did they handle the obvious plot flaw...” that Hanks’ FEDEX plane’s transponder would have been telling the air control where they were as they veered off course, and that debris field and black boxes would have meant someone should have been able to locate Hanks’ island as it would have only been a 6 hour wind-driven drifting away from the crash site.

Just some food for thought.


39 posted on 03/24/2014 6:38:10 PM PDT by GreenAccord (Bacon Akbar)
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To: PLMerite

I read earlier that he loved to fly.

Maybe he decided he wanted to go out with a sunrise to his left.


40 posted on 03/24/2014 7:01:35 PM PDT by 2111USMC (Aim Small Miss Small)
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To: parmamenian

Do life insurance policies payoff for suicide? How do you prove suicide at depths of 20,000 feet? The Captain’s estranged wife still hasn’t been questioned because of “Malaysian” custom. Were there money problems? Did something in his life become so unbearable or shameful that he was forced to take his own life? Would he take a plane full of passengers with him? Unfortunately, because of the inept Malay investigation none of these questions have been asked, which a rookie cop would know is the first thing you do.


41 posted on 03/24/2014 7:02:35 PM PDT by W.Lee (After the first one, the rest are free.)
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To: B212

I’ve wondered for a while if one of the crew wanted to kill himself, yet have insurance go to his family, and to do that, make sure the plane was not found.


42 posted on 03/24/2014 7:02:42 PM PDT by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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To: dragnet2

It was different circumstances altogether, but when we shot down that Iranian plane, IIRC, there were dozens of bodies floating. It was very low in altitude, IIRC.


43 posted on 03/24/2014 7:04:59 PM PDT by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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To: Gen.Blather
My question hasn't been a matter of size. My question has been how the hell do you lose track of anything that costs 300 million dollars. You allow the only true tracking mechanism to have an off switch?

If that were my 300 million bucks, I think I'd spend a grand on a GPS tracker that was located in a way it couldn't be shut off. I'd know down to the meter where that thing hit the water. It seems foolish to not have this ability on every aircraft. We keep having these problems and every time, we have trouble tracking the dang airplanes...

44 posted on 03/24/2014 7:25:18 PM PDT by FunkyZero (... I've got a Grand Piano to prop up my mortal remains)
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To: norwaypinesavage

I’m with you. My money is on rag heads did it. I’m just thinking it didn’t go as planned somehow... like, maybe Oracle had another salesman on board or something and it ended up smacking into the water somewhere. The jihadis have a track record of screwing up most things they try. We’ll never know if they don’t find that voice recorder and the odds of that are pretty iffy.


45 posted on 03/24/2014 7:32:55 PM PDT by FunkyZero (... I've got a Grand Piano to prop up my mortal remains)
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To: Hatteras

” I noticed that only 3 flights passed even remotely close to the current search area.”

Noticed that too. May be the reason whoever was at the controls ostensibly put it there. Remote.

“How do you prove suicide at depths of 20,000 feet?”

Well, I think that’s one of the things that has some thinking suicide. Hard to prove in this case.


46 posted on 03/24/2014 7:35:13 PM PDT by FAA
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To: FunkyZero

Brilliant. Been saying that all along. The NSA tracks my calls but not my potential flights?


47 posted on 03/24/2014 7:38:10 PM PDT by Mpatl
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To: Norseman
I doubt we’ll ever know the truth for sure, but ever since the news came out of the pilot’s interest in the political opponent who was apparently railroaded at a trial just one day before the plane disappeared, I’ve suspected that the pilot commandeered the plane.

What makes me doubt that it was the captain was the fact that the co-pilot relayed, "All right, good night". AFTER they had assumed the altered course. It's possible that the co-pilot was coerced into making that statement, but it seems more likely that the disappearance was engineered by the co-pilot, or at the least that the captain and co-pilot were working together ( not as likely because they did not know each other all that well).

48 posted on 03/24/2014 7:38:24 PM PDT by randita
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To: Mpatl

well I’m talking more in a private sense... just like about any contractor in the US puts a lo-jack on an air compressor... but an airline doesn’t on a 300 million dollar aircraft. Those are expensive assets and to allow them to just be lost and be stuck shrugging your shoulders seems to me pretty dang foolish and irresponsible.


49 posted on 03/24/2014 7:50:28 PM PDT by FunkyZero (... I've got a Grand Piano to prop up my mortal remains)
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To: CincyRichieRich

I agree with you - the story may be true and accurate - but there is also great reason to doubt, and all public information is manipulated.

One thing I noticed about this claim is that the location in the deep southern ocean is truly inaccessible. No ordinary person can go out there and look, unlike say in the Mollaca Straits.


50 posted on 03/24/2014 7:52:50 PM PDT by BlackVeil ('The past is never dead. It's not even past.' William Faulkner)
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