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The U.S. Economy's Big Baby Problem
The Atlantic ^ | MAR 5 2014 | DEREK THOMPSON

Posted on 03/24/2014 8:35:06 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican

Last September, the U.S. government announced that our birthrate fell to "another record low" in 2012, following a long, steady slide since the Baby Boom after World War II.

It goes without saying that, morally speaking, there's nothing wrong with this. It's natural, in a way. All over the world, birthrates tend to fall along with economic development, for numerous reasons including (a) the move away from a labor-intensive small-farm economy and (b) women's ascendance in the workforce, which uses time that used to be devoted to child-rearing. Families in richer countries tend to have fewer kids. In places like Japan and Western Europe, national populations are actually peaking.

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1 posted on 03/24/2014 8:35:06 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: MinorityRepublican

Golly. I wonder if abortion is a contributing factor ...


2 posted on 03/24/2014 8:38:16 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: MinorityRepublican

Gee I wonder how that could happen, with schools and the government trolling for women to not get married and throw away babies, along with pushing homosexual marriage which can never produce normal offspring.


3 posted on 03/24/2014 8:39:07 PM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: ClearCase_guy

The problem is the Birth Control Pill.

As soon as the Pill was introduced, birth rates plummet.


4 posted on 03/24/2014 8:44:37 PM PDT by Oliviaforever
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To: MinorityRepublican

The group that better pull it’s collective head out and read the tea leaves, is the Caucasian. Unless it relishes the role of being a minority in the United States in short order, it better start raising a herd per family.

I am jesting to a certain extent, but this 1 to 2 kids per family idea, has really gotten us in trouble. Everyone else is pumping them out at the rate of five to ten per family.

Doesn’t take long to see where that puts us.

In short order, there won’t be one self determining nation on the planet for Caucasians.

Folks, that’s a very serious issue.

If you think things are upside down now, you just wait.


5 posted on 03/24/2014 8:46:49 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Immigration Reform is job NONE. It isn't even the leading issue with Hipanics. Enforce our laws.)
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To: Oliviaforever

Yes. I am a Protestant and I was not brought up to believe that contraception was bad. Abortion was bad, yes, but only Catholics thought contraception was bad. Well, I do not believe in contraception. It is bad. I no longer see any difference between abortion and contraception such as the pill. These things have done great moral and demographic evil.


6 posted on 03/24/2014 8:48:20 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: MinorityRepublican
Of course, there's one group in which the birth rate is soaring - the Moslems. Their imams are clucking their tongues as they out-breed the infidel population.

Europe, as noted by many observers, is transmogrifying into Eurabia.

But the unrepentant hedonists in our benighted society continue to abort, euthanize and sodomize themselves into oblivion.



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7 posted on 03/24/2014 8:50:53 PM PDT by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines RVN 1<center> <table back969 - St. Mlichael the Archangel defend us in Battle!)
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To: MinorityRepublican

From the Atlantic article. Two gay fathers!!!! It is like they are just trying to make us angry!!

8 posted on 03/24/2014 8:52:53 PM PDT by Oliviaforever
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To: Mastador1
... homosexual marriage which can never produce normal offspring ...

I shudder to think ...

9 posted on 03/24/2014 8:53:56 PM PDT by dr_lew
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To: DoughtyOne

“Everyone else is pumping them out at the rate of five to ten per family.”


I did my part,I had five. My kids aren’t following in my footsteps.

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10 posted on 03/24/2014 8:57:06 PM PDT by Mears
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To: MinorityRepublican
Well Jesus H you-know-what...

First, you have about 90% of the births come through at least CA through welfare because the government pays for the births and the care.

The very wealthy can afford it, have 2-3 and care well for them.

The middle like me have one child or so because of limited means. My wife says she knows she will regret it but that we really can't afford another child. To raise another child. To pay triple Obamacare medical rates and so on.

Then we look at others on welfare and they are birthing them like breathing mints and it is all paid for by taxpayers. But IMO the breath mint parents are not all that responsible and don't live by the same common sense as we might.

Something is very wrong when the most responsible are not the ones growing the population IMO.

11 posted on 03/24/2014 8:57:17 PM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: MinorityRepublican

If we’re going to scrape all our bills off onto the kids, I guess we’re going to need some kids....


12 posted on 03/24/2014 8:58:26 PM PDT by Tzimisce
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To: MinorityRepublican
Birth control is beside the point. Intelligent Americans have basically decided that they can only afford to properly raise 2 children, +/- 1, in the economy they live in. It's a conscious decision based solely on economics, period.

It is what they believe, not what is realistically possible from historical examples. I've been dealing with this reality from my own daughters over the last decade and no matter how much I advocate for them to have as many children as possible, the financial bottom line is their primary consideration.

13 posted on 03/24/2014 9:03:25 PM PDT by Pox (Good Night. I expect more respect tomorrow.)
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To: DoughtyOne
don't you know that men don't want to be tied down in marriage?....don't you know that many young men consider their sex lives to be sitting infront of their computers doing God only know what?.....that video games pass for competition?.....

instead of fixing cars, or fishing, or hunting, or chasing girls, our young men sleep with their computers and their playstations....

its so pathetic....

women to blame too.....too much silly shallow kardashians in their lives...

the world belongs to those that populate.....

14 posted on 03/24/2014 9:05:35 PM PDT by cherry
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To: DoughtyOne

Five per family? What family?

Maybe 5 to 8 per baby momma or whatever she is called. More to become unproductive dependents of workers.

If it becomes a competition for procreation they win, we lose. The difference is responsibility.

The End


15 posted on 03/24/2014 9:10:05 PM PDT by Sequoyah101
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To: MinorityRepublican
This is the big issue for the next generation. The developed world's birth rate is falling, and there is nothing right now that indicates it will get up above replacement level. Having a falling population will cause an cascading economic collapse, where people will not want to have children, which will continue the collapse, all at a time when we are least prepared to deal with it.

The same thing happened to Rome.

16 posted on 03/24/2014 9:17:48 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: MinorityRepublican
If a capitalist economy needs an ever-increasing population in order to remain solvent, then it must be a form of Ponzi scheme.

But capitalism isn't a Ponzi scheme, so we don't need an ever-increasing population.

What's with all the Marxism? Marx was the one that claimed that capitalists depended on ever-expanding markets in order to exploit and succeed. The only other people that talk about the need for population to grow are the current set of companies trying to sell as much stuff as they can. If they can somehow convince governments to spend taxpayer money to create more consumers for them free of charge then they're all for that.

Those who demand that we grow our population will be more likely to start siding with the open borders crowd, i.e. better to have brown babies than no babies at all.

Let people be people and make their own free decisions. My understanding is that religiously minded folks tend to have more kids than liberal agnostics and atheists. So over time there will be more religious folks than agnostics or atheists. Hopefully there will be a fair share of Christians and Jews in the religious mix. My understanding is that Amish communities are growing like gangbusters so there will at least be that group of Christians for the Muslims to have to deal with.

17 posted on 03/24/2014 9:18:15 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: MinorityRepublican
Big-Baby is a problem...


18 posted on 03/24/2014 9:18:24 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: Sequoyah101

I produced four great kids and they have made eleven grandkids and ole grandpa here is looking at my first two great grandkids pretty soon.


19 posted on 03/24/2014 9:19:19 PM PDT by umgud (2A can't survive dem majorities)
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To: MinorityRepublican

“...It’s natural, in a way. All over the world, birthrates tend to fall along with economic...”

Well...yeah. And then there’s contraception and birth control, abortion, and you know, burning babies for fuel and all.


20 posted on 03/24/2014 9:46:35 PM PDT by stanne
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To: MinorityRepublican
... the U.S. government announced that our birthrate fell to "another record low"

55 million missing over the last 30 years is an immense contributing factor here. Might even have put us in the black with our population, if they had been allowed to live.

21 posted on 03/24/2014 9:48:03 PM PDT by RobinOfKingston (Democrats--the party of Evil. Republicans--the party of Stupid.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

You might want to read “Humanae Vitae”

The misunderstanding is that Catholics want no birth control for strange reasons. It’s not true.

Pope John Paul II stated logically that abortion is the fruit of contraception. Fruit, as in bad fruit, and ‘you will know them by their fruit.”

Very difficult, if not impossible, to dispute.


22 posted on 03/24/2014 9:50:08 PM PDT by stanne
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To: MinorityRepublican
Even as slowing of population growth accompanies achievement of economic prosperity and security, it is also a sign of decline in the vitality of the society-- the waning of the aggressiveness that enabled the culture to overcome the threats and scarcities of nature.

From this standpoint, the worst thing that happened to the West was the end of the Cold War. Without a clarifying opposition and an overriding goal of survival and triumph, the culture has languished. It has happened in Europe during the postwar era, when western Europe has basked in the warmth of the American security umbrella. Unencumbered by a defense budget, the welfare states flourished even as the birth rates declined. The same is happening here, and research shows that even men's testosterone levels have declined.

When the future seems assured, one pays little attention to it. We have seen all this for many years already in Japan and western Europe, perhaps the most attenuated cultures on the planet. They don't bother even to replace themselves. The US is following in their footsteps and for the same reason--the desire to achieve security has surpassed the desire to achieve success.

23 posted on 03/24/2014 9:50:53 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: A CA Guy

Have more children. You will figure it out. You find out real quick that you buy a whole lot of worthless crap.

Besides the more you have the cheaper they get to be. They kind of have their own volume discount. You get smarter at raising them as well. And they have built in friends.


24 posted on 03/24/2014 9:58:00 PM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: Pox

It has a great deal more to do with selfishness than economic need.

How many 1 and 2 child families live in 4,000 SQ’ homes with two new cars and a pricy suburban address? Perhaps a used car and a third child might be better in the long run?


25 posted on 03/24/2014 10:02:14 PM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: Jim from C-Town

they are little monsters. except for other people’s, who by definition are always cute.


26 posted on 03/24/2014 10:03:13 PM PDT by RitchieAprile
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To: Jim from C-Town

Selfishness is a point of view, economic reality is difficult to reconcile in this point of time relative to the society we have developed.

You can rationalize your point of view all you want, but what makes your point of view superior to that of those you wish to impose your beliefs upon?


27 posted on 03/24/2014 10:07:03 PM PDT by Pox (Good Night. I expect more respect tomorrow.)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Ok, so looking at the graphs in the article, we can see that the NUMBER of births in the US is just under 4,000,000, which is near the record number of births in the post-WW2 Baby Boom total of ~4.4 million. The RATE of births (children per 1,000 women) is lower than the “Roaring 20’s” rate, but has been pretty stable since 1970 or so. If we have not adapted to a lower rate in 40+ years, then shame on us. Another poster stated it well, we have social programs built on the Ponzi-like assumption of an ever-increasing number of new suckers to pay off past investors. I don’t think we can breed our way out of 40+ years of low birth rates....


28 posted on 03/24/2014 10:21:03 PM PDT by Panzerfaust
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To: Pox

Bologna! They want the toys and the vacations and they don’t care to be bothered with the trouble of having kids.

Kids are work. Most people don’t care for the work, they care for the fun. Vacations, new cars and big houses are fun.

I am not imposing my beliefs. I am simply pointing out the facts that are obvious to anyone that can see. If anyone is rationalizing it is you.

Besides, you don’t know anything about me. Most people have no idea of what real economic reality is. I have more than my share of knowledge about the economic realities of life and a new car and a big house are luxury items. Children should be looked at as a blessing and a reward, not an economic problem.


29 posted on 03/24/2014 10:24:56 PM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: Jim from C-Town

Well said, and God Bless! My parents both came from families of 9 and 10 respectively. Yes, it was harder vs. having no kids at all, but PEOPLE are a blessing.


31 posted on 03/24/2014 10:35:24 PM PDT by Amberdawn
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To: Pox
It's a conscious decision based solely on economics, period.
It's why I don't have them. The wife and I can't afford kids and I'm not going into debt or accepting charity to do so.
32 posted on 03/24/2014 10:38:16 PM PDT by GAFreedom (Freedom rings in GA!)
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To: hinckley buzzard

I think the desire for a free ride is the problem. Our youth get degrees to secure a job and income, not to work and really apply the knowledge.


33 posted on 03/24/2014 10:52:12 PM PDT by CorporateStepsister (I am NOT going to force a man to make my dreams come true)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Maybe its because we are the ones carrying the burden of paying for everybody elses crumb stachers.


34 posted on 03/24/2014 11:09:21 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life's tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: Pox

I am not dictating anything to your kids. You are simply making excuses as to what choices they make. It doesn’t take personal convictions to know that most people choose to have few children because they desire more toys.

Where did I even attempt to impose anything on anyone. Nowhere!

I did not attack you or your kids. You only Assume that I was talking about YOU and YOUR daughter. Read what I wrote, not what you think I wrote.

I never mentioned YOU or your daughter. However, since you brought her up: If your daughter doesn’t want more children, she will never be able to afford them. If she wanted more children, she would certainly find the added resources to ‘afford’ them. She simply doesn’t want anymore children for whatever reason, economic or otherwise.


35 posted on 03/24/2014 11:28:46 PM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: RitchieAprile

Tell me about it! My youngest is crying on my shoulder now. Teething again. 2:30 am and we are enjoying some ‘alone time’. He moans and cries, I type and read. Good times.


36 posted on 03/24/2014 11:31:46 PM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: Oliviaforever

Why Russia no longer allows Americans to adopt Russian children.


37 posted on 03/25/2014 12:33:15 AM PDT by kaehurowing
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To: Jim from C-Town

In the economy of ten or fifteen years ago yes. At any time we could both lose our jobs and we would not make it. We could make it now.
We are already frugal.


38 posted on 03/25/2014 12:46:23 AM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: DoughtyOne

“I am jesting to a certain extent, but this 1 to 2 kids per family idea, has really gotten us in trouble. Everyone else is pumping them out at the rate of five to ten per family.”

You’re using figures from a few years back; at this point whites are barely breeding at all (and families are becoming a rarity). The change is happening much more quickly than anyone is letting on; check out any playground or maternity ward, and you can see for yourself. I believe Obama’s re-election was a display of where this demographic nightmare is leading us; the initial election against a weak candidate in a horrible economy was unfortunate but understandable, but the re-election of a weak president in a horrible economy has no other explanation.


39 posted on 03/25/2014 2:52:47 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: Panzerfaust

“I don’t think we can breed our way out of 40+ years of low birth rates...”

We’re not even trying; we’re importing the replacement “bottom blocks” of the Ponzi schemes (and they’re breeding more).


40 posted on 03/25/2014 2:55:15 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: Pox

“Intelligent Americans have basically decided that they can only afford to properly raise 2 children, +/- 1, in the economy they live in.”

I think you’re being overly optimistic; I see many whites foregoing children altogether, marrying when the women is safely past the point of conceiving (without considerable risk). At the same time, it seems 1 out of every 4 Hispanic women of child-bearing age are pregnant; while they think they are getting the last laugh with these anchor babies/welfare bastards, in fact those very children (legal citizens by nature of being born here) will be squeezed to pay for the retirements of aging whites as they fade away.

The only whites I see still breeding are those safely employed by the government (either tenured teachers or others with seniority); I don’t know overall whether that is good or bad (as successive generations learn to attach themselves to the taxpayers’ teats early on).


41 posted on 03/25/2014 3:48:52 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: dr_lew
... homosexual marriage which can never produce normal offspring ...

homosexual marriage which can never produce ANY offspring.

42 posted on 03/25/2014 3:52:25 AM PDT by PistolPaknMama
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To: Jim from C-Town

“They want the toys and the vacations and they don’t care to be bothered with the trouble of having kids. Kids are work. Most people don’t care for the work, they care for the fun. Vacations, new cars and big houses are fun.”

That may be the case for some, but I see an increasing number of childless young people having a hard time making ends meet in this horrible economy (due to job losses, wage cuts, McJobs, etc.). With so much economic insecurity, it is harder to expect people to “take the plunge” (and it is a plunge); they want to retain their freedom to follow jobs, move to better environments, etc.. My wife and I had children (the last ten years ago), and I’d hope I could resist the temptations today to avoid doing it; I thought things were tough then (and they were), but this is brutal.

In the end, I just saw no point in being here (or getting married) if we weren’t going to breed. Maybe it’s an Irish thing, and I don’t expect others to feel the same way (as long as they understand and accept the widespread ramifications of their choice), but when all else is a mess I never lack a sense of purpose since the little monsters started coming...


43 posted on 03/25/2014 4:03:04 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Don’t worry, the illegals from across the border are bringing in 8 to 12 kids apiece.


44 posted on 03/25/2014 4:21:10 AM PDT by Old Yeller (In Latin, the word sinister means left. Which is appropriate for left-wingers.)
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To: DoughtyOne

Where I live the welfare crowd spits out babies like wet watermelon seeds!

They consider them an “investment” and with each one they spit out, the more income and benefits they get from the socialist government.

It’s like the splitting of the atom....1 =2, 2=4, 4=16 and on and on. The next generation of welfare cheats will be today’s population of human scum squared and it will square every cycle of 15 years...(the average age of welfare female vermin’s first baby delivery).

There is no turning back for the gates of responsibility were breached in 1964 by the introduction of the most important spear stuck in America’s side....THE GREAT SOCIETY!


45 posted on 03/25/2014 4:32:28 AM PDT by DH (Once the tainted finger of government touches anything the rot begins)
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To: ClearCase_guy
Well, I do not believe in contraception. It is bad.

So, are you saying that no one has the right to go through life without children if that is their preference? Furthermore, everyone should have as many children as sex permits, whether they can afford them or not?

And all this time I thought we had personal freedom in this country. But to people like you, no, one must conform to your set of beliefs. Is that correct?

46 posted on 03/25/2014 4:58:03 AM PDT by OldPossum ("It's" is the contraction of "it" and "is"; think about ITS implications.)
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To: GAFreedom; ClearCase_guy
It's why I don't have them. The wife and I can't afford kids and I'm not going into debt or accepting charity to do so.

Ahh, but ClearCaseGuy seems to be saying that you must have them! You must! To hell with your preferences to not be stone-cold broke all the time or to have children that your genetic background tells you will be genetically deformed. He's not content to praising those who wish to have children--and no one is saying that that is not a good thing. It just should not be a mandatory obligation...if one believes in freedom, that is. I have severe doubts about Mr. Guy's commitment to personal freedom.

47 posted on 03/25/2014 5:07:10 AM PDT by OldPossum ("It's" is the contraction of "it" and "is"; think about ITS implications.)
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To: DoughtyOne

“... the Caucasian. ...it better start raising a herd per family.”

One of missionary families our church supports visited the church this week. They have 14 children between 6 mo. and 21 years old. Since they live in the bush, they’re home schooled. Beautifully “put together”, incredibly smart, polite as can be, talented, and those who are old enough to make decisions plan to go into some area of God’s work. I would be hopeful for our country if all Christians in America raised this kind of children.

I never wanted children, and I didn’t. I don’t regret it since I know I’d have been a terrible parent. (Better no kids than dysfunctional ones.) I sure am glad that good people have taken up the responsibility in my place.


48 posted on 03/25/2014 5:09:25 AM PDT by MayflowerMadam
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To: Jim from C-Town; OldPossum
@Jim from C-Town:
Bologna! They want the toys and the vacations and they don’t care to be bothered with the trouble of having kids. Kids are work. Most people don’t care for the work, they care for the fun. Vacations, new cars and big houses are fun.
No, that ain't it at all for me. It has nothing to do with fun. I can have all the fun I want on the cheap. Fun is mostly free for me. But I can't make rent and save for my retirement and have kids at the same time. And I'm sorry, I won't work until I drop at 90. Please don't give me the guff about how the kids'll take care of me. It rarely, if ever, works out that way - and even if the kids do, it usually leads to fighting and resentment. My parents refuse to even let me or my sibs cut the grass for them. They think it's insulting if we offer.

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@OldPossum:
Ahh, but ClearCaseGuy seems to be saying that you must have them! You must!
If he really wants that, he pay for the reversal of my snip. ;)
49 posted on 03/25/2014 6:37:10 AM PDT by GAFreedom (Freedom rings in GA!)
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To: kearnyirish2; DoughtyOne
"You're using figures from a few years back"

Fertility rates all over the world have been falling but they are uneven.

Right now there are 7 billion on the earth and you can broadly break that number out to 1 billion in the Americas(N&S). 1 billion in Europe and Russia. 1 billion in Africa. 4 billion in Asia.

By 2050, Africa will add a second billion and Asia will add a 5th billion for a 9 billion total.

By 2100, Africa will add a 3rd and 4th billion for a total of 11 billion.

The CIA factbook publishes a list of the national fertility rates, in descending order. Also the Wikipedia page on fertility rates publishes the CIA list plus those published by the World Bank and the UN.

50 posted on 03/25/2014 6:40:22 AM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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