Skip to comments.“Alright, Goodnight” – Does Malaysia Want To Know What Happened To Flight MH-370?
Posted on 03/25/2014 6:24:29 AM PDT by yldstrk
On March 8, a Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777-200ER departed from Kuala Lumpur with 227 passengers and 12 crew members. It departed at 12:41am (1441 GMT), and was due in Beijing at 6:30am (2230 GMT) that same day. It hasnt been seen since. This report attempts to debunk some of the theories about that disappearance and make a new assertion about what might have befallen the passengers and crew of that ill-fated flight. Flight MH 370.
Conspiracy theories dont hold water because they ignore certain things that have to happen in conjunction with those events in order for them to be correct. What all the theories about the disappearance of this plane leave out are the important aircraft systems that would react (or try to) in any mishap involving the plane. Here are a few.
The Cabin Emergency Depressurization Oxygen System. The Rubber Mask Jungle drops if the cabin pressure drops below a certain level typically at 14,000 feet. The pilots can deploy the system manually or leave it set on automatic. But the pilots cannot turn it off.
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I don’t think people in the west, especially Americans, realize how backward other countries really are. The Malays lost me when they called in the witch doctors.
Look for the PRC to take over the investagation.
Spoonts theory is a good as most others.
The people on that jet were murdered. If the real story were told the Malaysian government would probably fall. China is already pressuring them.There are many corrupt government officials who are getting rich siphoning oil money. They fear losing their access to their revenue sources and prison. The stonewalling will continue.
Still scratching my head about the Inmarsat bit. Inmarsats are communications satellites. They have navigation systems and communications transponders. Transponders do not have Doppler sensors as far as I know, and to acheive direction finding you must have a DF processor, Are they implying they used data from multiple satellites that received the pings from the engines to guess which way the airplane headed? The path they drew implies that time difference from one geostationary satellite would give a path either north or south of the Equator proportionally. It makes no sense because there is no way they could plot or guess coordinates without at least 2 signal sources.
Probably in cahoots with Pakistan and Al Qaeda. A Muzzy conspiracy to launch a manned cruise missle at the west.
Do not be surprised if China decides to threaten millitary pressure on Malaysia.
The PRC will try to find closure but not real closure, my guess is they will report day after day stalling tactics, seas too rough, cannot pinpoint up close, currents are unpredictable etc.
They want closure but assuming for a moment they already know where plane is and the sensitive location plus they are not noted at having any form of a SEAL team 6 or such they are helpless to form a Search and rescue in any way compared to how the US can.
passengers that may be in an Iranian holding facility may very well be SOL at getting rescued unless its a NATO rescue.
Obama will not authorize another Pakistan type of raid like Zero dark Thirty, Muslims will protect Muslims.
And this is the complete crux of the whole situation, keeping Muslim attention away, mute it, destroy it, hide it, divert it away from any Muslim cooperation across the board.
Now the more Muslim scrutiny, more pencil beam spotlights on key Muslim connections and then things will break open.
But you got to remember that Malay also has “oil resources” which would bring interest by China, plus PRC is NOT a neighbor you want to get let’s just say a bit “upset” .
Hopefully they didn't have to use the resident White House witch doctors.
There are too many cultural things involved here to hold a rational, by Western standards, discussion. Take a quick look at the crash in SFO as an example.
Having said that, it is in the very best interest of Malaysia and every other Islamic based government to solve this, by Western standards, quickly. Otherwise the use of Islamic based airlines and tourist travel to/from tourist destinations in Islamic nations will drop off.
Who wants to go on business, much less vacation, if you have doubts that you will get there and return safely?
All it will take is another disappearance similar to this one to start the cancelations.
Will there be another one? Unfortunately my logic trail says yes; it is only a question of when.
Can someone tell me why pilots have the ability to turn off the transponder while in flight?
The Malaysian govt just wants this to go away so they decided to decide the plane went into the indian Ocean. They probably have no clue. I am still waiting for the other shoe to drop.
However, if there was gold in that cargo hold destined for China, that would explain China's increased hostility.
I don’t think the Inmarsat does much processing onboard. It simply receives signals over a broad spectrum and translates it to another frequency band and downlinks it to ground stations for processing. If there was a Doppler Effect in a received signal, its frequency offset would be detected by ground equipment. But I think Inmarsat relied more on the time difference between its ping to the aircraft and the response to determine distance from the satellite. The handshake is not a single pulse but a series of rapid exchanges of pulses with are either spaced shorter or longer depending upon whether or not the aircraft is moving closer or heading further away from the satellite. In this case it wasn’t the engines pinging or the ACARS messaging system because there were no messages scheduled to be exchanged after reaching cruise but before landing. The pinging was between the SATCOM system and the Inmarsat. Like your cable modem when your computer is turned off stays connected to your internet service provider. Or your cellphone that periodically reminds the nearest tower that it’s still around.
A very interesting read. Plausible. Thanks for sharing it.
In my uneducated view, it would seem to be made possible to ward off hostile forces.
And this actually tells us little as far as I’m concerned.
Inmarsat took the ping data it had and drilled down into further. They compared that with what they had from other known aircraft flying similarly southerly courses in that part of the world and the match was very close. They indicated the MH370 info did not match with known aircraft flying a northerly path away from the satellite in that part of world.
This is the last communication of any kind has with this aircraft and provides the best real indication of what it was doing before going into the water.
I still don’t get how they could estimate a DF from those signals unless there were 2 different transponders pinging and they compared the 2. Pinging is only one dimensional, meaning omnidirectional. That would cover basically the practical lines of sight to an aircraft on the horizon. The ENTIRE horizon of the Earth!
So what you are saying is that they used other aircraft signals and known location data to formulate an error trajectory with the unexpected pings from the Malaysian 777. Makes sense and is pretty brilliant. I still think the Navy knows where the plane hit the water.
As I understand it. There was an article on here yesterday detailing what they did and how they came to this conclusion. This was the “new analysis” that the Malaysian PM referenced yesterday in his press conference. Apparently, INMARSAT had never broken down this data in this fashion but pulled out the stops to see if there was anything else there that could indicate what happened.
Interesting, but I don't buy it. Our fighters chasing hostiles do not rely on their transponders to track them. A commercial plane would be an easy target to find without a transponder.
Thank you for posting this.
This was my problem with it too and renewed my interest in the flight’s mystery.
Apparently geo-synchronous satellites wobble a bit in their orbit and naturally skew their transmissions with the Doppler effect. The SatCom companies apparently ‘adjust’ for this Doppler effect.
Which led to my incredulity that they didn’t think of this sooner; it wouldn’t have taken days...a SatCom geek would have been all over this and guzzling Monsters until he had an answer...
Spoonts’ hypothesis is basically that which I asserted the other day.
I also don’t believe the US government is too keen to publicize another plane downed by a Muslim fanatic. (think?)
Probably the best analysis I’ve read yet, and stinging conclusion hypothesis, even if there are no facts to corroborate any of it. Speaking of which, there are no (public) facts to corroborate the Malay government’s conclusion that it crashed, either...let alone any other ‘theory’. /s
And insofar as the magnitude of the Inmarsat revelations: How frequently in the past have we been subject to ‘skewed data’ to support an agenda? I’m awaiting the ‘CIA Animation’ on how the plane went missing and crashed after flying ‘zombie’ for thousands of miles... (big /s)
Well, yes, but it’s ‘getting there’.
I don’t have time so I’m subject to what I read here: Is it possible to reprogram in-flight a plane’s transponder data to ‘spoof’ another flight? Anybody?
It’s the only way any overland route hypothesis is possible, save for another government’s conspiracy in this.
China is demanding the raw Malaysian radar data in order to firm up the search area and they should get it because the US has been requesting it for weeks to no avail.
Malaysia does not want to find the wreckage in the southern Indian Ocean — they still want it in the South China Sea and are trying to find a way to get it there.
make my mark
Correction: I misstated. One of a couple ways; not the only way.
I’ve had discussions with friends that didn’t know about ‘ghost’ returns and how to mimic them.
Preaching to the choir there. Right to correct my reply.
Yeh but fighter jets are more maneuverable than airliners the size of a 777.
Furthermore I listened to the General yesterday and he said that the 777 would have to fly within 200 feet of the plane it was shadowing -- and that is pretty tough to do as the General even reluctantly admitted
I think Malaysia wants to know but there’s a matter of scale involved. The area the plane could have gone down in is many times the size of their country, and mostly not terribly close to the country. They aren’t terribly rich, they aren’t terribly powerful, they really just don’t have the material or manpower to be running a high tech search over a massive area of ocean. And while help is available you still need co-ordination, everybody expects that to come from the “host” country, but in this case it’s a country that doesn’t really know how to do this stuff. Everybody is complaining they aren’t doing this stuff like well (like America would) and forgetting the fact this a country smaller (in every way you could measure) than California. Our NTSB probably has a bigger budget than their entire government, you just can’t expect them to throw a couple thousand highly trained people at a problem, they don’t have them. It’s kind of screwed up how much everybody seems to be looking at them going “it’s your plane find it”, especially given how regularly we send in groups like the Red Cross to this part of the world. We tend to solve most of their problems, and now we’re shocked they don’t know how to solve this problem.
The Inmarsat bit is for the very low information sponges.
I’ve tried to explain it to a few of them but they’re on MSM lock.
That was my thought, could couse problems in airports. But why can they shut it down in flight?
>> “Its the only way any overland route hypothesis is possible, save for another governments conspiracy in this” <<
Everything about the location of that plane is of the very most sensitive nature. They do want to get the hostages back alive if possible.
I believe they used other planes that were in the air at the same time.
Thank you for pushing my interest in this back in the can; no time anyway.
If the sats were to wobble, they couldn’t function.
They use inertial stabilization.
But that is not the issue anyway. They lack any way to measure range from the incoming signal. It would require that the aircraft be sending multiple repetitively coded signals to enable solving integer ambiguity, and that is way outside the capability of the sender and the receiver.
Check out 4:30
200 feet behind
and difficult to do.
I’m sure you will agree that radar technology has been refined over the last 26 years with the increasing ability to catch shadows. It might have been thousands of feet 5-10-20 years ago but it’s down to a couple hundred feet now.
And the General also said that our “best sensors” are in Afghanistan — which means that even if it went undetected by Indian radar and Pakistani radar, it would have been picked up by our “best sensors” in Afghanistan.
I agree with your latter and it is the basis for (my) questioning all the conclusions based on the 'Inmarsat data'. That, coupled with the long delay.
Doppler Frequency Offset Compensation is way outside my sphere, but the claims made should be backed up with detailed reports, not spoon-fed as media releases.
I think the issue most agreed to here is the complete lack of credibility thus far.
(oh, and the fact that the flight crew were muslim...)
I, for one, at least, find it decidedly coincidental that MH370 disappeared under (continuing) mysterious circumstances nary a week following what's been described in media as 'China's 9/11' (my immediate reaction the day-of), the Captain's relation to Anwar Ibrahim, and the steady stream of inconsistent data on the missing plane.
I am skeptical that any of the governments involved truly want the 'facts' exposed.