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“Alright, Goodnight” – Does Malaysia Want To Know What Happened To Flight MH-370?
SOFREP ^ | March 22, 2014 | Sean Spoonts

Posted on 03/25/2014 6:24:29 AM PDT by yldstrk

On March 8, a Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777-200ER departed from Kuala Lumpur with 227 passengers and 12 crew members. It departed at 12:41am (1441 GMT), and was due in Beijing at 6:30am (2230 GMT) that same day. It hasn’t been seen since. This report attempts to debunk some of the theories about that disappearance and make a new assertion about what might have befallen the passengers and crew of that ill-fated flight. Flight MH 370.

Conspiracy theories don’t hold water because they ignore certain things that have to happen in conjunction with those events in order for them to be correct. What all the theories about the disappearance of this plane leave out are the important aircraft systems that would react (or try to) in any mishap involving the plane. Here are a few.

The Cabin Emergency Depressurization Oxygen System. The “Rubber Mask Jungle” drops if the cabin pressure drops below a certain level – typically at 14,000 feet. The pilots can deploy the system manually or leave it set on automatic. But the pilots cannot turn it off.

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KEYWORDS: china; flight370; malaysia; mh370; waronterror
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lies of the Malaysian government exposed
1 posted on 03/25/2014 6:24:29 AM PDT by yldstrk
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To: yldstrk

I don’t think people in the west, especially Americans, realize how backward other countries really are. The Malays lost me when they called in the witch doctors.


2 posted on 03/25/2014 6:26:45 AM PDT by Former Proud Canadian (Cruz/Palin 2016)
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To: yldstrk

Look for the PRC to take over the investagation.


3 posted on 03/25/2014 6:26:54 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: yldstrk

Spoonts theory is a good as most others.


4 posted on 03/25/2014 6:32:06 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: yldstrk

The people on that jet were murdered. If the real story were told the Malaysian government would probably fall. China is already pressuring them.There are many corrupt government officials who are getting rich siphoning oil money. They fear losing their access to their revenue sources and prison. The stonewalling will continue.


5 posted on 03/25/2014 6:32:08 AM PDT by allendale
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To: Former Proud Canadian
My one business deal with the friendly folks in Balicpappan convinced me it would be my last.
6 posted on 03/25/2014 6:33:55 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Rip it out by the roots.)
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To: yldstrk

Still scratching my head about the Inmarsat bit. Inmarsats are communications satellites. They have navigation systems and communications transponders. Transponders do not have Doppler sensors as far as I know, and to acheive direction finding you must have a DF processor, Are they implying they used data from multiple satellites that received the pings from the engines to guess which way the airplane headed? The path they drew implies that time difference from one geostationary satellite would give a path either north or south of the Equator proportionally. It makes no sense because there is no way they could plot or guess coordinates without at least 2 signal sources.


7 posted on 03/25/2014 6:34:51 AM PDT by gr8eman (But thermodynamics is just a social construct, created by the ruling white power structure)
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To: yldstrk

Probably in cahoots with Pakistan and Al Qaeda. A Muzzy conspiracy to launch a manned cruise missle at the west.


8 posted on 03/25/2014 6:35:55 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: allendale

Do not be surprised if China decides to threaten millitary pressure on Malaysia.


9 posted on 03/25/2014 6:35:59 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Biggirl

The PRC will try to find closure but not real closure, my guess is they will report day after day stalling tactics, seas too rough, cannot pinpoint up close, currents are unpredictable etc.

They want closure but assuming for a moment they already know where plane is and the sensitive location plus they are not noted at having any form of a SEAL team 6 or such they are helpless to form a Search and rescue in any way compared to how the US can.

passengers that may be in an Iranian holding facility may very well be SOL at getting rescued unless its a NATO rescue.

Obama will not authorize another Pakistan type of raid like Zero dark Thirty, Muslims will protect Muslims.

And this is the complete crux of the whole situation, keeping Muslim attention away, mute it, destroy it, hide it, divert it away from any Muslim cooperation across the board.

Now the more Muslim scrutiny, more pencil beam spotlights on key Muslim connections and then things will break open.


10 posted on 03/25/2014 6:39:04 AM PDT by Spartan302
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To: Spartan302

But you got to remember that Malay also has “oil resources” which would bring interest by China, plus PRC is NOT a neighbor you want to get let’s just say a bit “upset” .


11 posted on 03/25/2014 6:43:46 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Former Proud Canadian
The Malays lost me when they called in the witch doctors.

Hopefully they didn't have to use the resident White House witch doctors.

12 posted on 03/25/2014 6:44:39 AM PDT by Balding_Eagle (Over production, one of the top 5 worries for the American Farmer every year.)
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To: yldstrk

There are too many cultural things involved here to hold a rational, by Western standards, discussion. Take a quick look at the crash in SFO as an example.

Having said that, it is in the very best interest of Malaysia and every other Islamic based government to solve this, by Western standards, quickly. Otherwise the use of Islamic based airlines and tourist travel to/from tourist destinations in Islamic nations will drop off.

Who wants to go on business, much less vacation, if you have doubts that you will get there and return safely?

All it will take is another disappearance similar to this one to start the cancelations.

Will there be another one? Unfortunately my logic trail says yes; it is only a question of when.


13 posted on 03/25/2014 6:47:27 AM PDT by Nip (BOHEICA and TANSTAAFL - both seem very appropriate today.)
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To: yldstrk

Can someone tell me why pilots have the ability to turn off the transponder while in flight?


14 posted on 03/25/2014 7:06:43 AM PDT by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: gr8eman

The Malaysian govt just wants this to go away so they decided to decide the plane went into the indian Ocean. They probably have no clue. I am still waiting for the other shoe to drop.


15 posted on 03/25/2014 7:15:25 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: yldstrk
That is the best article I've read regarding MH370. Very well written and abundant in factoids. No way Malaysia would ever fess up to this, if true.

However, if there was gold in that cargo hold destined for China, that would explain China's increased hostility.

16 posted on 03/25/2014 7:16:54 AM PDT by CivilWarBrewing
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To: gr8eman

I don’t think the Inmarsat does much processing onboard. It simply receives signals over a broad spectrum and translates it to another frequency band and downlinks it to ground stations for processing. If there was a Doppler Effect in a received signal, its frequency offset would be detected by ground equipment. But I think Inmarsat relied more on the time difference between its ping to the aircraft and the response to determine distance from the satellite. The handshake is not a single pulse but a series of rapid exchanges of pulses with are either spaced shorter or longer depending upon whether or not the aircraft is moving closer or heading further away from the satellite. In this case it wasn’t the engines pinging or the ACARS messaging system because there were no messages scheduled to be exchanged after reaching cruise but before landing. The pinging was between the SATCOM system and the Inmarsat. Like your cable modem when your computer is turned off stays connected to your internet service provider. Or your cellphone that periodically reminds the nearest tower that it’s still around.


17 posted on 03/25/2014 7:20:14 AM PDT by Procyon (Decentralize, degovernmentalize, deregulate, demonopolize, decredentialize, disentitle.)
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To: yldstrk

A very interesting read. Plausible. Thanks for sharing it.


18 posted on 03/25/2014 7:26:09 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (FIGHT! FIGHT! SEVERE CONSERVATIVE AND THE WILD RIGHT!)
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To: yldstrk

mark


19 posted on 03/25/2014 7:45:55 AM PDT by Jaded (Really? Seriously?)
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To: FatherofFive

In my uneducated view, it would seem to be made possible to ward off hostile forces.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/airplane-transponders-off-switch-22951142

And this actually tells us little as far as I’m concerned.


20 posted on 03/25/2014 7:59:53 AM PDT by BeadCounter (morning glory evening grace)
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To: gr8eman

Inmarsat took the ping data it had and drilled down into further. They compared that with what they had from other known aircraft flying similarly southerly courses in that part of the world and the match was very close. They indicated the MH370 info did not match with known aircraft flying a northerly path away from the satellite in that part of world.

This is the last communication of any kind has with this aircraft and provides the best real indication of what it was doing before going into the water.


21 posted on 03/25/2014 8:12:25 AM PDT by FAA
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To: Procyon

I still don’t get how they could estimate a DF from those signals unless there were 2 different transponders pinging and they compared the 2. Pinging is only one dimensional, meaning omnidirectional. That would cover basically the practical lines of sight to an aircraft on the horizon. The ENTIRE horizon of the Earth!


22 posted on 03/25/2014 8:15:37 AM PDT by gr8eman (But thermodynamics is just a social construct, created by the ruling white power structure)
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To: FAA

So what you are saying is that they used other aircraft signals and known location data to formulate an error trajectory with the unexpected pings from the Malaysian 777. Makes sense and is pretty brilliant. I still think the Navy knows where the plane hit the water.


23 posted on 03/25/2014 8:21:58 AM PDT by gr8eman (But thermodynamics is just a social construct, created by the ruling white power structure)
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To: gr8eman

As I understand it. There was an article on here yesterday detailing what they did and how they came to this conclusion. This was the “new analysis” that the Malaysian PM referenced yesterday in his press conference. Apparently, INMARSAT had never broken down this data in this fashion but pulled out the stops to see if there was anything else there that could indicate what happened.


24 posted on 03/25/2014 8:26:50 AM PDT by FAA
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To: BeadCounter
In my uneducated view, it would seem to be made possible to ward off hostile forces.

Interesting, but I don't buy it. Our fighters chasing hostiles do not rely on their transponders to track them. A commercial plane would be an easy target to find without a transponder.

25 posted on 03/25/2014 8:43:03 AM PDT by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: yldstrk

Thank you for posting this.


26 posted on 03/25/2014 8:43:32 AM PDT by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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To: FatherofFive
Sometimes at very busy airports, transponders within a certain range can overpower the radar and you get "ring-around" from the squawk (transmission of the code dialed in).
First the controller will ask the aircraft to "Squawk Low" to resolved the problem and if that doesn't work, he'll ask the aircraft to "Squawk Standby" (Par. 5-2-12.
Other problems can be a malfunction with the transponder that the Code transmitted is NOT the code being transmitted (which might belong to another aircraft in that area) and that would cause identification problems.
So the controller would tell the aircraft that "BEACON INTERROGATOR INOPERATIVE/MALFUNCTIONING. STOP SQUAWK." (Par. 5-2-15 and Par. 5-2-22.

Then there's electrical problems that might develop a fire, so the pilot would need to shut down, and MUST shut down the power to the transponder.
27 posted on 03/25/2014 8:46:33 AM PDT by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: gr8eman

This was my problem with it too and renewed my interest in the flight’s mystery.

Apparently geo-synchronous satellites wobble a bit in their orbit and naturally skew their transmissions with the Doppler effect. The SatCom companies apparently ‘adjust’ for this Doppler effect.

Which led to my incredulity that they didn’t think of this sooner; it wouldn’t have taken days...a SatCom geek would have been all over this and guzzling Monsters until he had an answer...


28 posted on 03/25/2014 8:47:12 AM PDT by logi_cal869
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To: CivilWarBrewing
That article has several problems, and the one that bothers me the most, is the landing weight classifications of runways.
Does the author, Sean Spoonts, believe that there are NO RUNWAYS in Pakistan that can handle the weight of that Boeing 777-200 ? He'd better think again.
29 posted on 03/25/2014 8:51:39 AM PDT by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: yldstrk

Spoonts’ hypothesis is basically that which I asserted the other day.

I also don’t believe the US government is too keen to publicize another plane downed by a Muslim fanatic. (think?)

Probably the best analysis I’ve read yet, and stinging conclusion hypothesis, even if there are no facts to corroborate any of it. Speaking of which, there are no (public) facts to corroborate the Malay government’s conclusion that it crashed, either...let alone any other ‘theory’. /s

And insofar as the magnitude of the Inmarsat revelations: How frequently in the past have we been subject to ‘skewed data’ to support an agenda? I’m awaiting the ‘CIA Animation’ on how the plane went missing and crashed after flying ‘zombie’ for thousands of miles... (big /s)


30 posted on 03/25/2014 8:56:14 AM PDT by logi_cal869
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To: Yosemitest

Well, yes, but it’s ‘getting there’.

I don’t have time so I’m subject to what I read here: Is it possible to reprogram in-flight a plane’s transponder data to ‘spoof’ another flight? Anybody?

It’s the only way any overland route hypothesis is possible, save for another government’s conspiracy in this.


31 posted on 03/25/2014 9:00:57 AM PDT by logi_cal869
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To: KeyLargo

Yep


32 posted on 03/25/2014 9:01:13 AM PDT by Jaded (Really? Seriously?)
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To: yldstrk

China is demanding the raw Malaysian radar data in order to firm up the search area and they should get it because the US has been requesting it for weeks to no avail.

Malaysia does not want to find the wreckage in the southern Indian Ocean — they still want it in the South China Sea and are trying to find a way to get it there.


33 posted on 03/25/2014 9:03:23 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

make my mark


34 posted on 03/25/2014 9:11:52 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever!)
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To: logi_cal869
Yes, it is.
But it would call immediate attention to that aircraft when the change of "Squawk" is made.
That attention is something that the pilot would not want,
and in today's security concerns, scrambling fighter aircraft to escort that aircraft to another airport with fire department, SWAT, ambulance, and all sorts of other agencies standing by for its landing ~ is just the start.

No, it's NOT !
In today's world, and even back to the Korean Conflict, "shadowing another aircraft" was a skill taught and practiced in most large country's militaries by Ace fighter pilots.
Research some of the "Ace" pilots and their discussion and computer simulations about how they became a "Fighter Pilot Ace".
You'll see their use of the "Shadowing" tactic.
35 posted on 03/25/2014 9:12:11 AM PDT by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: Yosemitest

Correction: I misstated. One of a couple ways; not the only way.

I’ve had discussions with friends that didn’t know about ‘ghost’ returns and how to mimic them.

Preaching to the choir there. Right to correct my reply.


36 posted on 03/25/2014 9:20:13 AM PDT by logi_cal869
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To: Yosemitest
"shadowing another aircraft" was a skill taught and practiced in most large country's militaries

Yeh but fighter jets are more maneuverable than airliners the size of a 777.

Furthermore I listened to the General yesterday and he said that the 777 would have to fly within 200 feet of the plane it was shadowing -- and that is pretty tough to do as the General even reluctantly admitted

37 posted on 03/25/2014 9:26:53 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: yldstrk

I think Malaysia wants to know but there’s a matter of scale involved. The area the plane could have gone down in is many times the size of their country, and mostly not terribly close to the country. They aren’t terribly rich, they aren’t terribly powerful, they really just don’t have the material or manpower to be running a high tech search over a massive area of ocean. And while help is available you still need co-ordination, everybody expects that to come from the “host” country, but in this case it’s a country that doesn’t really know how to do this stuff. Everybody is complaining they aren’t doing this stuff like well (like America would) and forgetting the fact this a country smaller (in every way you could measure) than California. Our NTSB probably has a bigger budget than their entire government, you just can’t expect them to throw a couple thousand highly trained people at a problem, they don’t have them. It’s kind of screwed up how much everybody seems to be looking at them going “it’s your plane find it”, especially given how regularly we send in groups like the Red Cross to this part of the world. We tend to solve most of their problems, and now we’re shocked they don’t know how to solve this problem.


38 posted on 03/25/2014 9:26:57 AM PDT by discostu (Call it collect, call it direct, call it TODAY!)
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To: gr8eman

The Inmarsat bit is for the very low information sponges.

I’ve tried to explain it to a few of them but they’re on MSM lock.
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39 posted on 03/25/2014 9:27:35 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Yosemitest
Sometimes at very busy airports, transponders within a certain range can overpower the radar and you get "ring-around" from the squawk (transmission of the code dialed in).

That was my thought, could couse problems in airports. But why can they shut it down in flight?

40 posted on 03/25/2014 9:30:02 AM PDT by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: logi_cal869

>> “It’s the only way any overland route hypothesis is possible, save for another government’s conspiracy in this” <<

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Nonsense!

Everything about the location of that plane is of the very most sensitive nature. They do want to get the hostages back alive if possible.
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41 posted on 03/25/2014 9:34:29 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: gr8eman
because there is no way they could plot or guess coordinates without at least 2 signal sources.

I believe they used other planes that were in the air at the same time.

42 posted on 03/25/2014 9:36:07 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever!)
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To: editor-surveyor

Thank you for pushing my interest in this back in the can; no time anyway.


43 posted on 03/25/2014 9:44:16 AM PDT by logi_cal869
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To: logi_cal869

If the sats were to wobble, they couldn’t function.

They use inertial stabilization.

But that is not the issue anyway. They lack any way to measure range from the incoming signal. It would require that the aircraft be sending multiple repetitively coded signals to enable solving integer ambiguity, and that is way outside the capability of the sender and the receiver.
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44 posted on 03/25/2014 9:46:22 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Uncle Chip
Most military "shadowing" is done with 10,000 to 20,000 feet vertical separation, and is all about making a flight of 4 or 6 look like one aircraft.

"Shadowing" is manipulating the weaknesses of primary radar returns, and is not as difficult as you think.
Most radar displays today are computer screens and are NOT real radar scopes, and use computer data over primary returns.
If the controller isn't careful, he'll has his primary radar tuned down to get a very small target and really uses the secondary radar which is the "transponder data" to separate aircraft.
If he doesn't have any "grass" or "clutter" in his primary radar returns, he probably would NOT notice the "Shadowing aircraft".
And at night, with a "lights out", "Shadowing" aircraft, other aircraft in that area would NOT see the darkened aircraft, no matter how large he is.

For the "shadowing" to work, (think in two dimensions) he needs to be almost exactly above the aircraft he's "shadowing" or below him, and the distance between them isn't that critical, just so long as he can match the ground track of the "shadowed" aircraft.
He needs to be on the same radio frequency of the aircraft he's "shadowing", in order to match its speed, turns, climbs, or descents.
The vertical data an air traffic controller sees, comes from the transponder, and if it's turned off, or in standby, the controller won't see it.
45 posted on 03/25/2014 9:55:57 AM PDT by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: FatherofFive
Go back and read comment #27 again.
Read it ALL, because I covered three, not just one, reasons WHY.
46 posted on 03/25/2014 9:59:12 AM PDT by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: Yosemitest

Check out 4:30

200 feet behind

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkIscCG1yXc#t=41

and difficult to do.


47 posted on 03/25/2014 10:21:49 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip
I'm not debating that Lt. Gen. McInerney said that.
When's the last time Lt. Gen. McInerney was "pilot in command" and working the flight controls of an aircraft?
How much has technology changed since Lt. Gen. McInerney last controlled an aircraft?
I'm telling you with over 26 years of USAF air traffic controller experience, most of it as a watch supervisor working directly with "Supervisors Of Flying" (experienced fighter pilots) in the tower cab, that "Shadowing" isn't that difficult to do.
It's a skill that is critical to fighter pilots, as well as most bomber pilots.
48 posted on 03/25/2014 10:34:47 AM PDT by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: Yosemitest

I’m sure you will agree that radar technology has been refined over the last 26 years with the increasing ability to catch shadows. It might have been thousands of feet 5-10-20 years ago but it’s down to a couple hundred feet now.

And the General also said that our “best sensors” are in Afghanistan — which means that even if it went undetected by Indian radar and Pakistani radar, it would have been picked up by our “best sensors” in Afghanistan.


49 posted on 03/25/2014 10:51:53 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: editor-surveyor
Not going to get into satcomms/wobble/Doppler & signal locating; not my area (despite being a geek and curious) and I don't have the time. What they stated is plausible, but I remain skeptical until others can see/review the data.

I agree with your latter and it is the basis for (my) questioning all the conclusions based on the 'Inmarsat data'. That, coupled with the long delay.

Doppler Frequency Offset Compensation is way outside my sphere, but the claims made should be backed up with detailed reports, not spoon-fed as media releases.

I think the issue most agreed to here is the complete lack of credibility thus far.

(oh, and the fact that the flight crew were muslim...)

I, for one, at least, find it decidedly coincidental that MH370 disappeared under (continuing) mysterious circumstances nary a week following what's been described in media as 'China's 9/11' (my immediate reaction the day-of), the Captain's relation to Anwar Ibrahim, and the steady stream of inconsistent data on the missing plane.

I am skeptical that any of the governments involved truly want the 'facts' exposed.

Deja vu, anyone?

50 posted on 03/25/2014 11:28:09 AM PDT by logi_cal869
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