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To: Kaslin

I’m getting a bit tired of this “contraception = abortion” nonsense. It is precisely this kind of foolishness that pro-aborts use to dismiss the pro-life position.

If Hobby Lobby does not want to pay for contraception, that’s fine. There are plenty of valid arguments to be made for contraception being an individual responsibility. But the nonsense that an undifferentiated fertilized egg is somehow exactly the same in form and function as a newborn baby is not one of them. If it happens to be one of the fewer than 10% of fertilized ova that are even capable of growing into a baby, it will not be physically capable of awareness for another 3-5 weeks, when the brain (and all other organ systems) forms.


16 posted on 03/27/2014 4:02:01 AM PDT by exDemMom (Current visual of the hole the US continues to dig itself into: http://www.usdebtclock.org/)
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To: exDemMom
Nothing except growth and development happen post fertilization. Any line you set is arbitrary. Incidentally, SCOTUS said in Casey that the essence of freedom was government not telling individuals when human life began. (Idiotic, yes, but they said it.) That principle works both ways.
17 posted on 03/27/2014 5:07:25 AM PDT by Campion ("Social justice" begins in the womb)
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To: exDemMom

When egg and sperm combined to a full set of DNA that is there start of life. I refuse to grant any government of organization the power to define it as anything else. To do otherwise is to give someone the power to decide who lives and who dies. As soon as you accede them at power you open the door on all sorts of evil including euthanasia and genocide. To pick any point between fertilization and the babies first breath is arbitrary and subject to change by human whim or the latest fad of science. Heartbeat, brainwaves, pain sense... all are to difficult to pin down to a specific day/week/trimester. Rather than grant someone the power to draw that line I believe it can only be drawn at the point where a person is created. The moment when they have a full set of DNA and begin to grow. At that moment someone is scientifically defined as a separate organism from the mother.


18 posted on 03/27/2014 11:00:39 AM PDT by TalonDJ
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To: exDemMom

You are not pro-life, so I can see why you are more than willing to harvest the earliest stage of life for your utilitarian measures.


19 posted on 03/27/2014 11:03:42 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: exDemMom
And here we have yet another effort on another thread to deceive readers, by you: "But the nonsense that an undifferentiated fertilized egg is somehow exactly the same in form and function as a newborn baby is not one of them."

First, you make a self contradicting clause the basis for the rest of your lie: once fertilization happens, the 'thing' that is, is no longer an egg; people are not chickens.

Second, you want to float the popular leftist lie that even a mass of 150 or more cells of the new life in morulla stage descending the fallopian tube or inside the uterus but not implanted is 'undifferentiated. That lie is so smarmy I have addressed it twice for you on other threads, but still you try to use that lie here on this thread. You are a liar at heart is all I can discern about you from your continuing deceitful methodology.

Third, you want to blur the concept of form and function so that you can dismiss the earliest form and function of newly conceived living beings. You are a disgusting liar and it is likely we will witness on this thread the same sort of lying you've tried to push on other threads at FR.

You and your leftist ilk love to define the limits of forma nd function which you will allow to be acceptable for discussion. But it is a fact that you have to lie in order to try and float your leaky boats. You arbitrarily dismiss form and function occurring prior to the arbitrary point of magic personhood your evil ilk demand be the only perspective on gestational life. Freerepublic is a pro-life website. You are clearly not pro-life but you want to continue your charade. Why?

20 posted on 03/27/2014 11:15:56 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: exDemMom
But the nonsense that an undifferentiated fertilized egg is somehow exactly the same in form and function as a newborn baby is not one of them.

No one has ever claimed that a zygote or embryo are the same in form and function. It is however a living human being, an individual organism distinct from any other living organism.

25 posted on 03/29/2014 1:55:41 PM PDT by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: exDemMom

I’m getting a bit tired of this “contraception = abortion” nonsense
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35 years ago when IUDs were in vogue as the #1 form of “contraception” after the Pill, it was known then that women could still get pregnant and that the IUD caused abortion of the fertilized egg AKA a baby...

but maybe youre not old enough to have known that...

or maybe you were such a Democrat then that you denied the obvious...

but when my youngest child was born in 1979 I was offered an IUD and I declined..knowing what it could do..


45 posted on 04/05/2014 10:46:24 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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