Posted on 03/27/2014 12:02:35 PM PDT by shepardspie33
It is quite hard to take the claims by Hobby Lobby seriously. The main drugs in question in the case brought before the Supreme Court are the emergency contraceptives Plan-B and Ella. One huge problem with this situation is that up until 2012, Hobby Lobby provided them as part of their insurance plan. Only when they realized that Obamacare was going to mandate this coverage did they suddenly become interested in not providing these drugs.
In their initial complaint to the United States District Court for the Western District of Oklahoma, Hobby Lobby stated, “After learning about the current HHS mandate controversy...Hobby Lobby discovered that the formulary for its prescription drug policy included two drugs - Plan B and Ella - that could cause an abortion” (pg. 15, pt. #55). This is a huge indictment upon the Green family and Hobby Lobby.
How can they be expected to be taken seriously when the precise drugs they want relief from providing, they provided in the past? What does it say about their commitment to the “unborn” that they had no clue that they have been for years providing the drugs which they assert “can cause abortions”?
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Frankly, a lot of companies don’t examine these things very closely (and rely upon their corporate legal advisors for everything) until push comes to shove. Now that this has been made a issue by Obama, however, Hobby Lobby is quite right to respond.
Thanks for that. I’m a legal translator, and it always annoys me when people - including many translators - misunderstand “stipulation.” Not to mention that it misleads the client...
I’m not aware of any such stipulation. If it exists, then you’re right about how things SHOULD work. But, since there is no court above the Supreme Court, there really is nothing stopping the justices from basing their decisions on improper/factual grounds.
Again, this shouldn’t matter. But, with a wishy-washy guy like Kennedy as the swing vote, any little thing may be enough to cause him to switch sides.
A company Health plan is a BENEFIT, not a right. They offer plans to their likings as a benefit to employees in order to stay competitive and to reward employee loyalty and workplace contributions.
They are under no obligation to pay for any medical care. It is something they do by choice. Because they are contributing their own cash, they are entitled to their religious objections to a paltry couple of coverage items.
Plan B isn't all that expensive. It's not like they're choosing to not cover heart surgery.
As to the absurd idea that companies are going to stop providing blood transfusion coverage on religious grounds, I think you'll find it difficult to find entrepreneurs from those religions.
Right now it is a “paltry couple of coverage items” but it won't stay that way if Hobby Lobby wins.
“As to the absurd idea that companies are going to stop providing blood transfusion coverage on religious grounds, I think you'll find it difficult to find entrepreneurs from those religions.”
No it isn't difficult, there is a prominent religion that doesn't allow blood transfusions. If the owner believes it is a sin for men to have vasectomies, he can take that out, too.
I said it is a slippery slope and it is when the owner of a company can dictate what medical care you can have. That owner is a death panel just like the government will have a death panel to decide what you can have. That federal panel is provided by law in Obamacare.
Their abjection is to mandated funding for abortion and infanticide. Not potential side effects of some medications.
Exactly!
In East Africa, many girls would try a high dose of chloroquine (malaria prophylaxis & treatment) as an abortifactant).
What is the BIG deal about this? A person or a corporation can change their mind about anything. To be unable to think and evaluate situations and change policies would be tantamount to being dead.
You're right. They should be forced to cover sex change operations, medical marijuana, travel expenses for overseas treatment, penile enlargements, liposuction, tattoo removal, tongue splitting, artificial insemination, rhinoplasty, Sexual surrogacy, and everything else. Why should they get to pick and choose?
1.) Arbitrary abortion isn't medical care
2.) A benefit is not a right
3.) The employer is NOT DICTATING WHAT MEDICAL CARE YOU CAN HAVE. They are dictating what medical care they are willing to give you. NOTHING is stopping you from getting medical care or coverage for those other things.
I was about to post "Welcome to Free Republic, Newbie" but to my amazement you have been a Freeper since 2000.
If you don't like your employer's policy, then go out and purchase one you like. Be thankful if they provide any coverage at all.
Yes, I have been a member of FR for a long time and those who know me, even JimRob, would say I am a conservative.
Or change your employer.
When the Government is making the decisions, there is no alternative place to go.
In a free country YOU decide that. If you don't like the plan your employer gives to you, then you can change employers or you can buy your own damn policy. Or you can thank God and your employer that he or she was good enough to give you a policy at all.
Sometimes even the most conservative person falls for the temptation to yell out the liberal battle cry "BUT, IT'S NOT FAIR."
I hear that cry in your posts.
Avoid that temptation. Your employer owes you nothing but a paycheck in exchange for your hard work. If he throws in some lousy insurance that you don't like, then tough. Nobody is forcing you to work there. But Obama is trying to force him to pay for your birth control. Buy your own birth control if you want it or go work for someone who thinks that babies are a curse.
If they show me a formulary with those drugs on it from that time period I would be inclined to believe it...
But that knowlege does not do anything for me. But a lawyer could make hay with it.
“BUT, IT’S NOT FAIR.” “I hear that cry in your posts.”
Then your hearing is inaccurate.
That is exactly what you are saying. You don’t think it’s fair that your employer can pick and chose the coverage they want to give you.
Calling Hobby Lobby’s position a slippery slope on the road to employer death panels is not exactly a conservative attitude.
I guess it’s choose your poison-a slippery slope for either option. Right now I’d rather have the employer decide than the Obama goons.
When choosing whether to work for a company health insurance was just one of many variables to look at in making a choice of employers.I can remember when birth control pills and maternity benefits weren’t provided by most company plans.
I paid for my own pills, and for the birth of my daughter. Health insurance is not health care. As long as a person has a job and it pays enough, medical care can be obtained as long as you are willing to pay for your own care.
Obama care is going to ruin our system so that we’ll have insurance but fewer doctors and hospitals to go to. That’s the real truth, Obama care is going to decrease access - not help people to get care.
We have a lot of businesses in our town that don’t even offer employee health plans, and probably never will since they are less than 50 employees.
I am just opposed to forcing any one regardless of religion to pay for another person’s abortion whether it is a pill or procedure. That’s just me.
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