Posted on 03/27/2014 12:12:50 PM PDT by Star Traveler
So ...you’ve got the cause of Autism down to a single vaccine or maybe “two”! If so, you need to go on national television with this, provide that evidence to everyone - and you’ll go down in the history books as leading the way to finding the cause of Autism ... :-) ...
I haven’t mentioned autism and vaccines.
I contradicted your ‘the child hasn’t been vaccinated’ statement.
Unless someone was in the room with the child 24hrs a day just after birth you can assume the child was vaccinated against HepB. At least the first dose. Hospitals get bennies for 100% compliance with that one. I know 2 kids who got it in spite of the parents written refusal. One of the parents was an admitting doctor at that particular hospital. Let’s just say things got ‘...testy...’ after he found out his kid had gotten it in SPITE of his written refusal.
Ummm ... this is an Autism thread, in case you haven’t noticed ... :-) ...
If vaccinations don’t have anything to do with this thread of Autism, and you’re just passing the time of day talking about vaccinations, in general and when kids normally have them ... well, have fun. I won’t get in the way of your fun.
BUT, if you’re saying that vaccinations have something to do with Autism and you’ve got it down to one or two early vaccinations, then you definitely should go on national television with your evidence.
You were the one who brought it up.
You mentioned the kid in question with the autism diagnosis was ‘unvaccinated’.
I find that highly unlikely unless the child was born at home or someone was in the room with the child 24hrs a day in the hospital.
If vaccinations are not connected with Autism, it’s irrelevant.
So long as you don’t think the kid wasn’t vaccinated.
I can assure you, the kid was.
You say that you’re not connecting vaccinations with Autism, since you haven’t mentioned that (i.e., your Post #122), therefore the issue of vaccinations in this discussion with you - in the context of Autism - is irrelevant.
Riddle me this. I’m assuming your kid was adopted, correct? Since you stated the mother wasn’t up to date on vaccines. I’m just wondering how that happened.
Locally, it’s VERY difficult to avoid the vaccination schedule. Particularly if you get WIC.
The hospital won’t release the kid at all after birth unless there’s a pediatric followup visit at 2w scheduled.
Cancelling a pediatric visit w/o scheduling a followup or requesting records be sent to another doctor will trigger a child services call. Seriously.
Moreover, full vaccination is part of the WIC game. If they want WIC money they have to have those pediatric followup visits and vaccines according to the state schedule.
I’m just wondering how vaccines were skipped in this day and age when it’s particularly difficult, especially for neonates and infants, to avoid them. Especially if the mom is on any benefits at all...
locally most anti-vaxers are further up the food chain, such as MD’s, etc.
It was a relative, and we have legal custody, now.
And all I’m saying about vaccinations ... is that if there is no connection between vaccinations and Autism, then we’re on the wrong thread ... because this is about Autism.
But, if there is a connection, someone is going to have to show that to be so, and not just because “they say so” ... :-) ... (and a bunch of Internet links “saying so”, isn’t going to do it, either). That might work for a lot of other people, but it’s not going to work for me.
You’re the only one who has linked autism and vaccines in our discussion.
I find that interesting.
I was just curious as to your assertion that the child was completely unvaccinated. It’s exceedingly difficult nowadays to have a child that’s totally unvaccinated. Unless you stay in the room 24hrs a day with the child and have a pediatrician set up who’s ‘on board’ with this. Most pediatric practices will throw patients out if they don’t follow the state directed schedule. And failure to follow up with those appointments will generate an automatic call to child services.
The only people I know with kids who can be totally sure they’re not vaccinated, locally, are MD’s. And even then only if they homeschool. There are no religious or philosophical exemptions in my particular state. And the SBOH only issued 10 or fewer medical exemptions the last year I checked and stated on record that more than 1 such exemption was too many. So those are really very difficult to get.
No, I never linked vacicinations to Autism (someone else did earlier).
SO ... since you’re not linking it and I’m not linking it - then - any of our talking about vaccinations on this thread is TRULY IRRELEVANT ... :-) ...
At this point, I see no good reason for us to talk about something that neither one of us has linked to Autism.
Sure thing.
So long as you don’t maintain your kid is totally unvaxed. You have no proof of that either way.
We have the information that has been given to us ... but again ... that’s totally irrelevant for me, since I don’t maintain it’s connected.
As a side note ... we did do the full compliment of vaccinations ... and do intend to keep up on them as outlined by the Oklahoma Health Department. In our case, these vaccinations that we did, were all done after we had already begun evaluating our child for autism and treating him on that basis.
So we maintain, with our child, it’s totally irrelevant, it’s not connected and doesn’t have a thing to do with Autism.
Inevitably - without me saying a thing about vaccinations - I’ll guarantee you at least two or three or more people will come online insisting that it is connected ... LOL ...
I don’t have to say a thing about that, and others will be telling me that it is connected ... :-) ...
As a parent of autistic 7-year-old twins, that's news to me.
Do you know if the bio mom got any prenatal care that might have included a flu/DTaP shot at some point? Just curious.
With two kids on the spectrum - and with a diagnosis marked "severe", not mild, I must be rolling in the dough then! I wonder why this is all news to me...
We have a Health Department printout that has a record of what is done. It doesn’t show anything prior to our involvement. It’s this record that has to be shown to the school, in order for you to enroll your own child. We submitted it with the enrollment and no one had any questions about it. So I assume everyone was okay. They certainly would have told us if it wasn’t.
In regards to the mom getting a flu/DTap shot — I can only comment that I believe I heard that the mom has never gotten a flu shot.
For that matter ... I have never gotten a flu shot either, and I’m just past 65 ... :-) ...
I’m just curious how she did all this unless she squeezed the kid out in a car somewhere and you subsequently adopted it prior to the child having any doctor visits of any kind whatsoever.
Since you’ve adopted the child I’m going to assume there wasn’t a father in the picture of any relevance. And I’m going to assume the mother was on assistance of some sort. Thus I’m amazed the child (and mom) weren’t vaccinated at any point along the way. Medicaid insists on the prenatal vaccines in this state. In fact, a friend of mine, who is on medicaid (and subsequently WIC) was threatened with having the child removed at birth if she didn’t get the DTaP shot prior to birth. She hates needles and had just gotten the flu shot and wasn’t in the mood for any more ‘hurty’ right then. The OB nurse didn’t play around with it either. ‘Get the shot or I call child services and start the removal process subsequent to your giving birth’...
Friend was only one of those who tell me that IF you get ANY services for that child at all you HAVE to follow the state’s mandated vax schedule. She wanted to skip the chickenpox vax and let them get it on their own. Nope. No can do. Again was threatened with child services, removal of the children and loss of assistance.
Just sayin’.
The ONLY people I know who have totally unvaxed kids are MD’s who didn’t need any state services and were able to get around the birth HepB dose because they were MD’s. And knew a ‘colleague’ willing to take the child and not throw them out of the practice for not vaccinating. Pediatric practices have to maintain a 95% totally vaxed rate (totally following the schedule, missing one vax constitutes ‘unvaxed’) or insurance companies give them crap.
Without going into a lot of specifics, the custody we have is intended to be temporary, as long as the mother can get to a point where it’s seen she can take care of things okay. She’s a relative, and hopefully that day will come. If it doesn’t come, we’re going to be doing this for a long time.
Of course there is a father, because there’s only one virgin birth in history ... :-) ... but he’s not on the birth certificate and that was done that way intentionally. We want him totally out of the picture.
Now ... my daughter (who is not this person we’re talking about here), has three kids who range from about 12 to 21 is adamant against vaccinations and she has taken the “exception route” to not getting vaccinations for her kids. I’m not that way, but she is. She tells me that most states have an exception built into the law that you can opt out of vaccinations if you’re really opposed. And in her case, she has. She didn’t even go to the hospital, either. That wouldn’t be my way of doing things with my wife ... :-) ...
Another little story here about vaccinations. The MMR was missed but ended up “on the record” anyway. How that happened is that we basically walked out of an appointment when they kept us waiting in the examination room for 45 minutes. They ended up putting it down on the record that he had it. The nurse who administers it swore she did it, because she would never put it down on paper, if she didn’t give the shot. We knew it wasn’t done because we walked out. We had to threaten them with a lawsuit to get them to give the vaccination ... :-) ...
So ... anyway ... people can opt out of vaccinations, if they really want to and are willing to fight for it.
Well, it’s easier to ‘opt out’ in some states than others. and with a hospital birth you’re guaranteed that HepB birth dose among other things. Unless you’re ‘somebody’ like an MD.
And if you’re on any type of assistance in pretty much any state it’s exCEEEEEDINGLY difficult to opt out of ANY of the schedule at all. Particularly kids who have had any contact with state care at all.
And in two states, unless you homeschool, you can’t opt out for any reason except medical exemption. And my state in particular gives them out in numbers I can count on my fingers each year.
I just remembered one family that’s opted out and the dad/mom weren’t MD types. The mom had the kid in a birthing pool at home. They aren’t on any state assistance and they homeschool. Although she did have to explain to the child services surprise visit (reported by her neighbor who found out she’d home birthed the child) why she had ‘avoided necessary medical care’ for her infant by not showing up at L&D. Fortunately they know a good lawyer. I’d forgotten they didn’t vax. They’re in our homeschool group.
I’m more ambivalent about home birth. Both my parents were home birthed. I wouldn’t choose it, particularly for a first birth. My grandmothers couldn’t afford hospital births for their kids though.
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