Skip to comments.Who to Believe, Barry or Il Papa?
Posted on 03/28/2014 7:47:52 PM PDT by Kaslin
RUSH: So we have Il Papa hosting the president. Still not convinced that the president thought he was going on vacation. When they rolled up to the Vatican he said to the Secret Service (impersonation), "Where are we?" They said: "We're at the Vatican, sir."
"Oh, I thought it said 'vacation.' Oh. All right. Well, let's go in."
And there are two versions of what happened in the meeting between Il Papa and Obama. Of course now we're forced to have to make a choice as to who we believe. Obama says that he and the pope talked about -- it's just a coincidence -- things that Obama talks about: income inequality, contraception. The Vatican says that the pope kind of took Obama to school on the social issues and gave him some homework reading assignments. That's right.
There are two distinct, different versions of the meeting between the president and the pope. And as Dr. Krauthammer pointed out (paraphrasing), "Well, here we go, what do we have here? We've got a man who is the spiritual leader of a billion people who believes he is infallible versus a man who said, 'If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor, and if you like your plan, you can keep your plan.' Who we gonna believe?" It kind of comes down to the pope, when you put it that way. (interruption) Well, no. No, the bloom is off the Messiah rose. I don't think there's anybody, well somebody, but, I mean, the number of people that think Obama's still this Messianic figure, that's all by the wayside.
RUSH: Andrew Malcolm writing at Investors.com: "President Obama, whose poll approval numbers hover weakly around 40% among Americans, met Thursday with Pope Francis, whose approval numbers among the same people are 76%. Now, you know why the [Obama] sought the meeting." He wanted to bask in the glow of the Vicar of Christ. "The two elected leaders exchanged gifts. The Vicar of Christ gave the ex-state senator a copy of his book, 'Evangelii Gaudium,' or 'The Joy of the Gospel.'
"The 44th president," and 1st American Messiah, "gave the head of the world's Roman Catholic Church a box of fruit and veg[table] seeds from his wife's garden." Did you know that? Did you just hear me say that? The pope gave Obama copy of his book, The Joy of the Gospel. The president gave the pope "a box of fruit and veg[table] seeds from his wife's garden.
"The first meeting of the new pope and lame-duck president was closely-watched because of the Democrat's concerted efforts to bring religious institutions to heel in his country, primarily through requirements of his botched Obamacare legislation forcing some to violate their conscience. ... According to Obama's version of the Vatican meeting, their discussions focused on poverty and income inequality, two concerns which, if true, would fit well with Obama's professed political programs domestically. ...
"On his papal discussions, Obama was vague on healthcare details. 'We actually didnt talk a whole lot about social schisms in my conversations with His Holiness,' Obama claimed. 'In fact, that really was not a topic of conversation.' Obama stated that the pope 'did not touch in detail' on his Affordable Care Act. Note the fudge words 'in detail.'" Obama said the pope "did not touch in detail" on Obamacare.
"The Vatican's version of the Obama encounter was strikingly different. The two men had a 'cordial meeting,' a spokesman said. Importantly, their talks involved 'a discussion on questions of particular relevance for the church in that country, such as the exercise of the rights to religious freedom, life and conscientious objection.'
"Neither side mentioned the Obama administration's legal prosecution of the Little Sisters of the Poor for the nuns' opposition to birth control mandates. And the Vatican version said nothing about the alleged Obama-Pope Francis income inequality [discussion]." What do you bet that they didn't discuss income inequality? What do you bet? Look, we have two completely different versions of what happened here. We really do.
Obama came out and made it sound like the conversation was all about Obama's political agenda and how much the pope is in favor of it, indirectly.
RUSH: As I observed yesterday, isn't this interesting. Here's President Obama, he shows up at the Vatican yesterday, spends, well, a few minutes with the pope, the media's all over it. They want to know everything that was said. What did Obama say? What did the pope say? What did the president say when the pope said what he said and what did Obama say when the pope said what he said? What did the pope say when Obama said what he said? All this happened in less than two hours, and yet for 20 years Barack Obama was in Reverend Wright's church and not any interest whatsoever in what Obama heard in that church. I find it fascinating.
Let's go to the audio sound bites. This whole notion of income inequality and so forth, Obama comes out and says basically we talked about my political agenda. He didn't use those words, but income inequality and all these other things are Obama's agenda. You know what Obama knows? I'm gonna tell you what I think Obama and his handlers think. I'm a little out on a limb here. Actually, Friday, I do want to start with sound bites four and five, instead of skipping them. I am admittedly out on a limb here. I'm going to tell you what I think based on my intelligence guided by experience, coupled with how flawlessly I am able to perceive, understand, know, and predict liberals.
The pope's at 76% approval; Obama's sitting there at barely 40% and plunging. Twenty-six percent approval for his signature piece of government reform legislation. So in a major twist -- it used to be that world figures wanted to get near Obama and bask in his light and benefit by association. Yesterday it was the other way around. It was Obama attempting to bask in the light of the pope. But I don't think Obama has much love for Christianity, the Catholic Church. I say that based simply on his total disregard for their religious beliefs when it comes his health care plan, and particularly abortifacients and contraception. It seems like Obama is enjoying sticking them in the eye. And I think as is the case with a lot of leftists, the Catholic Church is reviled and hated because you can't move 'em.
They are not a political organization that responds to external pressure and either modifies, modernizes, changes, or what have you, according to the political and cultural mores of the day. The church is what it is. The left hasn't been able to move it at all on the things that they think are crucial to eliminating all judgment. They haven't been able to move 'em on female priests, priest marriage, gay marriage, abortion, you name it, the church doesn't move. Even this latest pope, when they thought they had a reformer 'cause the guy's out there spouting economic policy that is very much collectivism, "Oh, wow, maybe we got a guy we can work with here," and he's not working with 'em.
So I think there's some resentment. I don't think there's any doubt about that, but Obama's still gotta bow down and go in there because he's in deep trouble. But I also think that they really believe that they can come out after this meeting and characterize it however they want, and the Vatican's not really going to embarrass them by calling them liars or maybe even something softer. They figure that the Vatican will put out their version, but they don't think the Vatican will pick a fight with 'em. They don't think Pope Francis will pick a fight, so Obama can say, "Oh, yeah, we talked about income inequality and poverty and raising the minimum wage, and the Tea Party," whatever else he wants to say that they talked about. He knows that the Vatican is gonna put out their version, it may be totally different, but they're not gonna pick a fight.
Obama knows he's got the domestic media on his side so whatever he says happened in there they'll dutifully report and he'll carry the day. And it didn't work, and it didn't work because Obama and the Democrats and his political party today have nowhere near the moral stature of Pope Francis, nowhere near the moral stature of the Catholic Church. And they know it. And it frosts them, I think. I think it really, really bugs them.
Now, we've got a couple of telling sound bites from Obama. While Diane Sawyer was speaking with Chris Christie for seven minutes on a five-month-old story about Bridgegate, Scott Pelley, CBS Evening News, was interviewing Obama, and they aired it today on CBS This Morning. We got two bites. Scott Pelley said, "Can you give me a sense of what it's like to be in the presence of Pope Francis?" Now, do you think that question irritates Obama? Do you think Obama says to himself, "What are you talking about? Why aren't you asking the pope what it's like to be in my presence?" But of course you can't say that. So he takes the question, sees it as an opportunity to portray the pope as Obama wants the pope to be seen, i.e., a fellow Democrat. Here's how the first sound bite sounds.
Here’s Krauthammer’s analysis...pretty funny:
Obama is a serial liar and will do or say anything to further his agenda. The Pope’s account is correct.
I am not that fond of the current pope but I believe him over O any day of the week
obama: hiya bro
The Pope: BURN IN HELL MF
Well, as Rush suggests, the question of who’s lying is really a no brainer.
I know His Holiness is multi lingual, like most Popes of today, but is English, in particular Amercian English something he is fluent in? It’s not just about us anymore. Since Obama has chosen th lead from (way) behind, other countries are beginning to step into center stage of influence. The Pope may be studying his Mandarin, Farsi or Russian as well, for all I know.
It takes a certain kind of man to do this. The schedule of The Pontiff must be jam packed five or six days a week. We’re speaking of a man who is already in his seventies. His stamina and grace under pressure is impressive. We are fortunate. Oh, and it goes w/o saying that President Pinnochio has woven yet another lie in front of our faces.
Do you notice whenever the democrats get involved with the Church they always have to lie or complain?
I feel kinda sorry for all the folks who are only now seeing what a pitiful little nothing Obama really amounts to.
I saw it from day one.
How do you say that in Spanish? (Francis might not have bothered with translation ...)
I feel kinda sorry for all the folks who are only now seeing what a pitiful little nothing Obama really amounts to.
I saw it from day one
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I don’t feel ‘sorry’ for them but I do ‘regret’ the opportunity to say “I told you so” as when cases like this come up one usually has to endure a ‘disaster’ before you can point it out.
Worst part of it all when ‘we’ pointed it out or even brought up the suspicion of being in the grasp of (at the very least) a fool, ‘we’ got derided for it and called everything from Racist to ‘Anti-American’....
That we have to ‘pay’ these fools and ‘protect’ them for the rest of their lives is also disheartening BUT, maybe he will just move back ‘home’ to Kenya or Indonesia, hopefully removing them from our ‘obligations’...
Then again, that will be considered Racist now, wouldn’t it?
I don’t speak Spanish but in Latin it is BURN IN HELL MF (teehee) spit (and the spit is no disrespect to you NM)
Only a photo op for Obama.
I think the Pope gave him a good talking to, though.
I think the Pope spoke in Spanish to Obama.
When you actually see a bit of video, it becomes clear that the other clergyman there is an interpreter.
I am Jewish, however I will believe the Pope over a “wild donkey of man” always.
We know that whatever Obama says it’s a lie, so we should be taking the Pope’s word as truth.
Who to believe?
One a revered man of GOD,
the other a known LIAR.
If obammy says the sun comes up in the east this morning ya best check it out as the magic negro can’t open his mouth without lying.
Everything the mookabooker says about his life is a lie.
If obammy says the sun comes up in the east this morning ya best check it out as the magic negro cant open his mouth without lying.
Negro?... Obama is no more black than he is white..
besides being a son of a white bitch.. literally.. as well as a bastard..
No pejorative terms implied........... it’s just the truth..
isn’t my quote,
I’d call his sorry ass much much worse but some moderator will put me in time out, again.
You have to apreciate his sense of humor, don't you? He gave Obama a book to read.
If I was the Pope, I would not even meet with that Liar.
I choose neither.
Both are political ax grinders
It’s a good thing there wasn’t a Holy water incident.
Spontaneous Combustion is a terrible thing to witness.
No, don’t send him back to Kenya. After he is out hand pick his secret service agent to reflect liberal ideology: homosexuals, the whoremongers and drunks we’ve heard about and quota types that were rushed through to make for a good photo op. Then you have a top agent to direct all of them to keep him so safe he can’t go out for a haircut. Everything will be brought to him. Only good nutritious food like brussel sprouts and asparagus. Follow his wife dictate to us to the letter.
Anyone who pays him to give a speech needs to be investigated into bankruptcy by the new anorexic IRS. If Obama decides he no longer wants secret service protection make him announce it on national television, warn him against it and let him know that anyone that is within a hundred feet of him with a weapon will be taken out by Seal Team 6 because guns are bad.
OK enough of that I woke up, done dreaming.
His retirement will be just like Carter or Clinton, traveling all over the world giving speeches and sticking his nose everywhere not wanted.
Of course, on OUR dime....WE, as the bill players, should be able to rein these clowns in.
Especially when they are able to ‘cash in’ war chests or be able to set up a ‘dummy campaign’ like their wife running for ‘dog catcher’ and ALL ‘his’ surplus is pumped into her campaign.
I was kind of ‘hoping’ HE would voluntarily move back thereby (possibly) relieving us of the burden he and his brood will put on us for the next 50 or so years...
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