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No meat at ‘Noah’ party
The New York Post's Page Six ^ | March 28, 2014 | Richard Johnson

Posted on 03/29/2014 3:58:30 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

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KEYWORDS: bible; environmentalism; hollywood; noah; noahthemovie; vegans; vegetarianism; vegetarians; weareomnivores
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Noah's God is Gaia and she's a vegetarian.
1 posted on 03/29/2014 3:58:30 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I haven’t seen the movie, but get a bad feeling from some reviews.

Is this really a politically correct version of the Noah’s ark story, with Noah being mainly concerned with global warming? Say it ain’t so....................


2 posted on 03/29/2014 4:00:28 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego (as)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
IBTwendy's beef photo: where's the beef wendy_s-where_s-the-beef-7.jpg
3 posted on 03/29/2014 4:00:44 PM PDT by golux
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

What a bunch of idiots. The movie sounds dreadful.


4 posted on 03/29/2014 4:02:26 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

It’s a movie.. entertainment. I want reality I’ll read history. I’ll watch it for the special effects to see how they did.. when it comes out of DVD or On Demand from Direct TV.

Never again will I see a movie at the theaters. To many idiots.


5 posted on 03/29/2014 4:03:45 PM PDT by maddog55 (I'd be Pro-Choice if we could abort liberals.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Gaia drinks the blood of millions of babies murdered in the womb.


6 posted on 03/29/2014 4:13:19 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: maddog55
It’s a movie.. entertainment.

I had the same feeling for the 2001 movie Pearl Harbor. If you watch it to see a good shoot-'em up and exciting special effects and are not put off by the blatant historical anomalies and anachronisms, you'll enjoy it

7 posted on 03/29/2014 4:13:43 PM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: trisham

Rock people, unicorns, and rocks that Noah click to create fire, etc...that’s all I need to hear. That and the fact its a biblical movie directed by an athiest.


8 posted on 03/29/2014 4:15:52 PM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: jsanders2001

It’s unbelievable.


9 posted on 03/29/2014 4:21:16 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Noah, The Film: All Washed Up
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/3138756/posts

Box Office: ‘Noah’ Winning Over Faith-Based and Mainstream Moviegoers
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3138788/posts


10 posted on 03/29/2014 4:23:35 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
She'd described very well:
11 posted on 03/29/2014 4:23:59 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
She'd described very well:
12 posted on 03/29/2014 4:24:19 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: Fiji Hill

Yeah, especially the scene where the captain yells “Full steam ahead” and the camera pans back and the anchor chain is still in the water, also they didn’t have slanted decks on carriers in WW2. A room full of people in WW2 not smoking???? The movie was just awful.


13 posted on 03/29/2014 4:24:32 PM PDT by SkyDancer (I Believe In The Law Until It Intereferes With Justice. And Pay Your Liberty Tax Citizen.)
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To: Dilbert San Diego
There is a flood, there is a boat and there is a guy called Noah.

Other then that there is no similarity between the Bible story and this dreck.

14 posted on 03/29/2014 4:24:49 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Proud Infidel, Gun Nut, Religious Fanatic and Freedom Fiend)
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To: maddog55

I like entertainment, but if the director wanted rock people, ents, and the rest, I would have preferred a different title. Calling it “Noah” implies something untrue. To me, “Noah” required God, and it requires sins listed in the Bible (not just failure to recycle) as the reason for the flood.


15 posted on 03/29/2014 4:25:12 PM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I’m gonna try to see this movie for y’all and give my review.

I’m not expecting 10 Commandments but, it deserves a look on a screen bigger than my 80”.

There should be at least one hottie to make this movie complete.

It’ll be complete if the holy babes are Anne Baxter/Yvonne De Carlo hot/beautiful.

Otherwise, I’ll consider it a bomb.


16 posted on 03/29/2014 4:25:33 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: Vendome
It’ll be complete if the holy babes are Anne Baxter/Yvonne De Carlo hot/beautiful.

Or Monica Bellucci beautiful.

17 posted on 03/29/2014 4:26:51 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Fiji Hill

Pearl Harbor sucked.

Not trying to be contrarian. It just did.

Completely forgettable


18 posted on 03/29/2014 4:27:12 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: Vendome
Pearl Harbor sucked.

And I miss you.

19 posted on 03/29/2014 4:28:38 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The Adamic Covenenet “Genesis 3:14-19
And Jehovah God said unto the serpent, Because you have done this, cursed are you above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon your belly shall you go, and dust shall you eat all the days of your life: and I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your seed and her seed: he shall bruise your head, and you shall bruise his heel. Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply your pain and your conception; in pain you shall bring forth children; and your desire shall be to your husband, and he shall rule over you. And unto Adam he said, Because you have hearkened unto the voice of your wife, and have eaten of the tree, of which I commanded you, saying, You shall not eat of it: cursed is the ground for your sake; in toil shall you eat of it all the days of your life; thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to you; and you shall eat the herb of the field; in the sweat of your face shall you eat bread, till you return unto the ground; for out of it were you taken: for dust you are, and unto dust shall you return. “

Did not allow eating meat.

The Noahic Covenant allowed eating meat after the flood “Genesis 9:1-17
And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth. And the fear of you and the dread of you shall be upon every beast of the earth, and upon every bird of the heavens; with all wherewith the ground teems, and all the fishes of the sea, into your hand are they delivered. Every moving thing that lives shall be food for you; as the green herb have I given you all. But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat. And surely your blood, the blood of your lives, will I require; at the hand of every beast will I require it: and at the hand of man, even at the hand of every man’s brother, will I require the life of man. Whoso sheds man’s blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man. And you, be ye fruitful, and multiply; bring forth abundantly in the earth, and multiply therein. And God spoke unto Noah, and to his sons with him, saying, And I, behold, I establish my covenant with you, and with your seed after you; and with every living creature that is with you, the birds, the cattle, and every beast of the earth with you; of all that go out of the ark, even every beast of the earth. And I will establish my covenant with you; neither shall all flesh be cut off any more by the waters of the flood; neither shall there any more be a flood to destroy the earth. And God said, This is the token of the covenant which I make between me and you and every living creature that is with you, for perpetual generations: I do set my bow in the cloud, and it shall be for a token of a covenant between me and the earth. And it shall come to pass, when I bring a cloud over the earth, that the bow shall be seen in the cloud, and I will remember my covenant, which is between me and you and every living creature of all flesh; and the waters shall no more become a flood to destroy all flesh. And the bow shall be in the cloud; and I will look upon it, that I may remember the everlasting covenant between God and every living creature of all flesh that is upon the earth. And God said unto Noah, This is the token of the covenant which I have established between me and all flesh that is upon the earth.


20 posted on 03/29/2014 4:32:00 PM PDT by the_daug
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Not to push any support toward airheads like Gaia, but the fact is that the whole world was vegetarian prior to the biblical universal flood. It was only after Noah departed from the ark that God told them to begin to eat the flesh of animals . . .

Gen_1:29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat. Gen_1:30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so. - vegetarian

Gen_9:3 Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things.


21 posted on 03/29/2014 4:34:11 PM PDT by Pilgrim's Progress (http://www.baptistbiblebelievers.com/BYTOPICS/tabid/335/Default.aspx)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I here the new Noah movie is Gaia awful!


22 posted on 03/29/2014 4:35:22 PM PDT by tophat9000 (Are we headed to a Cracker Slacker War?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Well ... Noah’s God (who is our Creator God of the universe and of the Bible) gave Noah ALL THE MEAT IN THE WORLD to eat, after the Flood was over!


23 posted on 03/29/2014 4:36:10 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: the_daug

Maybe Noah and his immediate family had a hard time adjusting to the meats.


24 posted on 03/29/2014 4:39:13 PM PDT by the_daug
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To: maddog55
History, you say?



In my opinion, “Jewish atheist” Dr Irving Finkel created this "FAKE" tablet to make fun of the religion he despises.

From the article The tablet that altered the story of Noah's Ark:
Check out Noah's Ark" has been found in Turkey, April 27, 2010.
Click on the photos below. Also, this one:You might be interested in the Hagopian-Lee to Simmons-Arslan 1989 Photo Near Mt. Ararat Strato-Volcano Summit or the old Armenian, George Hagopian's story on pages 73 through 92 of Secrets of the Lost Races: New Discoveries of Advanced Technology in Ancient Civilizations . This one is worth your time.

25 posted on 03/29/2014 4:40:02 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

From what I’ve read about it, it sounds like a comedy. I’m sure I would be laughing at much of it.


26 posted on 03/29/2014 4:40:54 PM PDT by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: dfwgator

Purrrfect

LOL!


27 posted on 03/29/2014 4:48:20 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Are there any zombies (other than the suckers who paid 20 bucks to get in)?


28 posted on 03/29/2014 4:48:46 PM PDT by clintonh8r (Don't give up! The liberals are buggering and aborting themselves into extinction.)
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To: Vendome

You teed that one up nicely.


29 posted on 03/29/2014 4:49:08 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

I would kiss that, massage it and hit it couple times a day for a month....


30 posted on 03/29/2014 4:50:27 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Modern Hollywood has a Covenant With Gaia!

Much of Modern Hollywood appears to be POSESSED BY Satan as well.


31 posted on 03/29/2014 4:53:26 PM PDT by MeshugeMikey ( "Never, never, never give up". Winston Churchill)
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To: Yosemitest

I heard this malarky in the 70’s.

Some chump came to our church and praised gawd the bible had been proven.

Never did learn, from thus charlatan, where the ark was and his pics looked fake.

I think he was on the team that faked the moon landing..../s


32 posted on 03/29/2014 4:54:28 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: maddog55

Yep, way too many panties getting in a twist when there’s such a simple solution: don’t go watch the silly movie if you can’t differentiate between your faith and entertainment.


33 posted on 03/29/2014 4:57:34 PM PDT by bigbob (The best way to get a bad law repealed is to enforce it strictly. Abraham Lincoln)
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To: Vendome
Pearl Harbor sucked.

Torable, Torable, Torable, as the New York Times called it, wasn't much better. And Pearl, a TV miniseries that aired in the 1970's was essentially a dumb soap opera that had me rooting for the Japanese.

The best movie I ever saw about the Pearl Harbor attack was December 7 (1942).

34 posted on 03/29/2014 4:58:22 PM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: Yosemitest

Yep, and there’s quite a bit packed in that verse.


35 posted on 03/29/2014 4:59:44 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: jsanders2001
Rocks that Noah clicks to create fire?

It's a Flintstones movie?

36 posted on 03/29/2014 5:02:11 PM PDT by N. Theknow (Kennedys-Can't drive, can't ski, can't fly, can't skipper a boat-But they know what's best for you.)
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To: Pilgrim's Progress

~~~And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth ... I have given every green herb for meat~~~

Technically, that shows non-humans as vegetarians.

But I agree you don’t see the other command until 9:3, if memory serves.


37 posted on 03/29/2014 5:04:27 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The Noah Movie: Our Detailed Review [Christian Review]
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/3138815/posts

Noah director and writer Darren Aronofsky told The New Yorker magazine that his movie is “the least biblical film ever made.”

“Darren Aronofsky Gets Biblical,” The New Yorker, March 10, 2014, http://www.newyorker.com/services/presscenter/2014/03/17/140317pr_press_release.


38 posted on 03/29/2014 5:07:37 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Pilgrim's Progress
"whole world was vegetarian prior to the biblical universal flood."

I would rephrase that as "whole world was suppose to be vegetarian prior to the biblical universal flood."

Man is doing what ever it wants inside and outside the church like in the time of Noah.

39 posted on 03/29/2014 5:08:47 PM PDT by the_daug
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Noah's God is Gaia and she's a vegetarian.

I don't know if Christians read Genesis the same way, but the traditional Jewish interpretation is that God forbade meat-eating until after the Flood. Cf. Genesis 1:29 with Genesis 9:3. So yes, Noah was a vegetarian until after he came off the ark.

40 posted on 03/29/2014 5:09:47 PM PDT by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: the_daug

I do stand corrected. When we recall that “GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually”, it seems that some were eating meat as well as all the others evil deeds.


41 posted on 03/29/2014 5:14:40 PM PDT by Pilgrim's Progress (http://www.baptistbiblebelievers.com/BYTOPICS/tabid/335/Default.aspx)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Bet their was plenty of pot, booze, and cocaine though. To ease the pain of eating the calking-compound-like food of course.


42 posted on 03/29/2014 5:18:22 PM PDT by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It’s not too far of a stretch that amidst an ark full of animals being saved from the great flood that a movie director would think it to ironic for Noah to be serving meat.


43 posted on 03/29/2014 5:28:08 PM PDT by Usagi_yo (Islamunism = Facism + Islam : Islamunist = someone that adheres to Islamunism.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

A collection of FREEPER threads on the movie - Noah ...

Religious tide turns against ‘Noah’
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3138393/posts

Noah: a classic blunder
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/3138403/posts

Nine problems with the movie “Noah”
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3138569/posts

Don’t Get Punked by Paramount’s Pagan Noah Film
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/3138604/posts

Noah – The Emperor’s New Movie (The Utter Embarrassing Mess of ‘Noah’)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/3138663/posts

‘Noah’ Review: Brilliantly Sinister Anti-Christian Filmmaking
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3138716/posts

Noah, The Film: All Washed Up
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/3138756/posts

Box Office: ‘Noah’ Winning Over Faith-Based and Mainstream Moviegoers
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3138788/posts

No meat at ‘Noah’ party
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3138805/posts

The Noah Movie: Our Detailed Review [Christian Review]
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/3138815/posts

The Noah Movie: Deconstructing Noah’s Ark; Godawful Storytelling
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/3138821/posts


44 posted on 03/29/2014 5:41:36 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Lurking Libertarian
Huh, I never knew that about Noah being vegetarian.

Doesn't make sense, though. Historically, you see cave paintings that show humans hunting. Long before the Genesis story came out.

Not to mention that according to anthropologists, it made sense that pre-historic people ate meat. High density food that sits in your stomach for a long time.

If all we ate were plants, we'd be hungry all the time, and also be LOOKING for plants all the time.

That's not efficient.

Any survivalist will tell you that if you expend all your energy trying to find food, once it becomes a greater effort to obtain food, than the benefit of eating it, your body says "no more" and you give up.

Not saying Genesis is "wrong" about this. It just doesn't add up with what we know historically.

45 posted on 03/29/2014 6:32:18 PM PDT by boop (I just wanted a President. But I got a rock.)
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To: boop
Not saying Genesis is "wrong" about this. It just doesn't add up with what we know historically.

That's true of a lot of Genesis, actually, unless it is viewed allegorically. But the vegetarian part is consistent with a literal reading.

46 posted on 03/29/2014 6:49:35 PM PDT by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: golux

It never got off the ark I guess


47 posted on 03/29/2014 7:02:01 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Lurking Libertarian
Thank you for the clarification.

I've always thought of Genesis as allegorical, not literal.

IIRC, (supposedly) Moses wrote the first 5 books of the Bible to answer the questions every human had.

Where did we come from?

What's the reason for our laws?

Who are we as a people? (Jews).

For the record I don't think that people who believe the Noah's Ark story are "stupid, flat-earther anti-science kooks. And worse are probably conservative".

Good grief. I take it as stories, that the people of the time could grasp.

Pretty much every major religion has an Adam and Eve.

It's part of who we are a humans. We WANT to know the reason why we're here.

48 posted on 03/29/2014 7:02:39 PM PDT by boop (I just wanted a President. But I got a rock.)
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To: boop

The pre and post flood worlds displayed different qualities. If you have a God that does what Scotty can’t, then it’s harder to trace what has happened when. I’m not jumping whole hog in the tank with the creation science guys, because that might just be another error.

Anyhow, if in a sinful world nobody tried to eat meat, it would seem to me more surprising than if someone did.

Fruits and nuts and insects might be able to fulfill the energy requirements. Monkeys do okay on that.


49 posted on 03/29/2014 7:07:17 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: bigbob

What if the Noah story from the Bible is true?


50 posted on 03/29/2014 7:09:58 PM PDT by reasonisfaith ("...because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved." (2 Thessalonians))
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