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Men to blame for childless women? It's society that disenfranchises fathers, says Peter Lloyd
Daily mail ^ | Updated 2-10-2014

Posted on 04/01/2014 4:27:38 PM PDT by ClaytonP

Journalist Melissa Kite said men who don't want children are selfish

Peter Lloyd says men know babies will always be 'hers', not 'theirs'

Yesterday, journalist Melissa Kite became the latest woman to publicly trash men in a sexist, undeserving rant - this time, by saying those exercising a human right not to become fathers were 'selfish'.

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1 posted on 04/01/2014 4:27:38 PM PDT by ClaytonP
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To: ClaytonP; Morgana
journalist Melissa Kite became the latest woman to publicly trash men in a sexist, undeserving rant - this time, by saying those exercising a human right not to become fathers were 'selfish'.

Yet there is nothing selfish about the aborted lives of 53 million children....

2 posted on 04/01/2014 4:32:37 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (The Texas judge's decision was to pave the way for same sex divorce for two Massachusetts women.)
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To: ClaytonP

Feminists: “Men to blame...”

Nothing more needed.


3 posted on 04/01/2014 4:33:17 PM PDT by ConservativeStatement ("World Peace 1.20.09.")
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To: ClaytonP

Yeah right. Feminists continue to make marriage less and less desirable for men then accuse them of being selfish.


4 posted on 04/01/2014 4:34:48 PM PDT by saganite (What happens to taglines? Is there a termination date?)
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To: ClaytonP

Marriage does not always work out, but what is GUARANTEED is that if it doesn’t, all men know that the courts FREAKING HATE MEN —the kids will be used as legal leverage, big time.

Story from my buddy:

They’re seperated and she calls to have him come over and pick up the kids; ding dong, ding dong —she won’t come to the door, for some reason.

He hears the wailing of approaching sirens and juuuuust as they’re rounding the corner she opens the 2nd story bathroom window and a large KNIFE clatters on the doorstep in front of him.

Cops burst out of their cars and nearly blow his bewildered head off!

Did it stick in their divorce? YES —he’s a dangerous, would-be murderer, you see?

She called and told dispatch he’d been screaming and trying to break in and slit her throat.


5 posted on 04/01/2014 4:36:27 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: a fool in paradise

AMEN!


6 posted on 04/01/2014 4:37:09 PM PDT by doc1019
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To: ConservativeStatement
Feminists: “Men to blame...”

Of course they blame men. WHITE men in particular.

Why would ANY man want to be with these freaks anyway is beyond me. Most are nothing but drama queens and money grubbing fat asses anyway.

7 posted on 04/01/2014 4:39:05 PM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal the 16th Amendment)
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To: ClaytonP
How many abortions take place? Is the man in charge of that? Or are women deciding to abort?
And although it doesn't get talked about so much, one possible side effect of abortion is infertility. Some people who "wait" (abort their first child) find out later that they won't get a second chance. Is that the man's fault?
8 posted on 04/01/2014 4:40:15 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: unixfox

Reminds me of a radio interview I heard in which a feminist said death was unfair to women because since men generally die younger, women are left to handle bills and other obligations.


9 posted on 04/01/2014 4:42:03 PM PDT by ConservativeStatement ("World Peace 1.20.09.")
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To: ClaytonP
When women decide they don't want children, they're "career-oriented" and "single-focused." When men don't want children, they're "selfish."

The typical feminist double standard.

10 posted on 04/01/2014 4:44:01 PM PDT by IronJack
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To: ClaytonP

what does that make the 55+ million women who made their own choice - their body their choice - to abort their babies?

of course women will also blame their choice on men.


11 posted on 04/01/2014 4:44:56 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: gaijin
Moral of this story: take a friend with you when the ex calls.

The other nasty trend we're seeing is that the woman will allege child molestation on the part of the man. It's done so often now that the divorce judges assume that it's a lie.

12 posted on 04/01/2014 4:46:09 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ecce Crucem Domini, fugite partes adversae. Vicit Leo de Tribu Iuda, Radix David, Alleluia!)
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To: ClaytonP

If there were no men left for women to blame, would it still be their fault?


13 posted on 04/01/2014 4:47:47 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: ClaytonP

Keep your govt off my vagina,.....errr well you know.


14 posted on 04/01/2014 4:51:23 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: gaijin

I read a story about an Ontario female doctored who hired her then-husband to be her full-time anesthesiologist. She paid him about three times over what the market rate for anesthesiologists typically make and paid him this for a couple of years.

After this, she choose to divorce him and the court ordered child support at a level of what he was earning, despite ample evidence that Ontario anesthesiologists do not make what he was making, but to pay what he was ordered to it would take his entire paycheque and more. The judge threatened fines and jail time if he did not comply.

He eventually committed suicide through asphyxiation.


15 posted on 04/01/2014 4:55:15 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: ClaytonP
journalist Melissa Kite became the latest woman to publicly trash men in a sexist, undeserving rant - this time, by saying those exercising a human right not to become fathers were 'selfish'.

Chickens. Roost.

An empowered, feminist womyn should have no issue going the single-mom route care of the local sperm bank.
16 posted on 04/01/2014 4:55:18 PM PDT by tanknetter
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To: ClaytonP

When a boy growing up sees his father, uncle, friend of the bill get taken to the cleaners in divorce court, it may make him more hesitant to seek marriage or have children.

On another note. A woman can choose to abort a child, without consent from its father. However, if she chooses to keep the child, he is on the hook for the child support, but has no realistic chance to get full custody, and have her make payments to him. What a selfish jerk. s/


17 posted on 04/01/2014 4:55:49 PM PDT by castlegreyskull
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To: ClaytonP
UCSF Dentistry, 2013: Women oppressed?

Count the men. And count the whites.

What do you see?

18 posted on 04/01/2014 4:58:14 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: gaijin

My brother was dating a psychologist (first mistake) in Massachusetts (second mistake) and they were sitting on the sofa. They were watching TV and he started to tickle her. She has a psychotic episode (which she freely admits) and started to attack him.

Her daughter calls the cops, they take him to jail. He’s given a restraining order and ordered to surrender all registered firearms including a bb gun. Because of the restraining order he can’t return home because she decided not to leave.

20 days later he gets the restraining order removed and evicts her. Only to find she has sold most of his stuff. He has no recourse because she was “living there”.

Yeah the courts hate men.


19 posted on 04/01/2014 4:58:50 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: gaijin
UCSF PHARMACY School, 2014:

Women oppressed, here, too? Count the men.

Men also detect hostility to them in grad & professional schools, too.

20 posted on 04/01/2014 5:00:29 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: Jonty30

I’ve personally seen this happen. The guy committed suicide in the parking lot and when the judge was notified he just shrugged his shoulders and carried on screwing the next guy in line.


21 posted on 04/01/2014 5:00:56 PM PDT by The Working Man
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To: ClaytonP

I was just thinking that something really radical has happened to America. The reason?

Well what got me to thinking was I was just looking over a reunion site and remember two extraordinary beauties I went to school with. Then I remembered 3 more who were just as pretty that I knew in the early 90s.

Four of these girls were nearly perfect in form and face and the fifth may have just been a ten. All of them were nice girls too. The kind who would make good wives and Mothers.

Only one of them ever married and she waited until she was 36. She has a baby and loves being a Mother but I doubt she will have another. The other four will probably never marry and never have children. They will grow old and probably be lonely.

They all had a career tho which I guess is what they think they are supposed to do.


22 posted on 04/01/2014 5:02:38 PM PDT by yarddog (Romans 8: verses 38 and 39. "For I am persuaded".)
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To: gaijin

Race is a self-identification. Just have your son identify as a Hispanic or Asian on the forms.


23 posted on 04/01/2014 5:08:15 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: gaijin

Sorry to say it but the really KEY thing for the happiness of a woman is to SUBMIT to a man.

If she doesn’t have the sense she has done that or is now doing that then she can’t be happy —doesn’t matter how funny or handsome or rich he is. She just won’t be happy.

Feminism teaches that to submit to a man is TO LOSE. Morally, or maybe in some kind of invisible race, I don’t really know, but the basic view is that the two sexes are at loggerheads —not really partners.

So men detect that they’re being competed with by the woman on the terms that are common for men, and they run away.

So the end-result is that they are ACTUALLY then put at loggerheads in a very real way, and that is where we are.

A woman cannot be happy in marriage and also remain known as a prominent and credible feminist —it is impossible.


24 posted on 04/01/2014 5:09:27 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: The Working Man
The guy committed suicide in the parking lot and when the judge was notified he just shrugged his shoulders and carried on screwing the next guy in line.

Why don't they fight back and take out their oppressors with them?

25 posted on 04/01/2014 5:10:54 PM PDT by ClaytonP
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To: ClaytonP

Good question, despondency works that way.

“Everyone says I’m a no good person, so they must be right!” And then they just go and end the pain.


26 posted on 04/01/2014 5:14:01 PM PDT by The Working Man
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To: ClaytonP
Not having a child IS selfish! I suspect that the majority of YOUNG women that murder their unborn children have done so with at least the complicity, if not the coercion of the sperm donor. While many young women claim that they have a 'right' to control their bodies, it is often a young male who decides that the girl should not have the child. Both men and women are shirking their responsibility.

Unfortunately, society 'preaches' that sex outside of marriage is 'natural' and that abstinence until marriage is 'unnatural' and wrong. Society preaches 'rights' without 'responsibilities', exactly what Satan 'taught' in the garden!

27 posted on 04/01/2014 5:16:24 PM PDT by A Formerly Proud Canadian ( I once was blind, but now I see...)
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To: ClaytonP

Why do leftists have such extreme difficulty understanding the simple concepts of incentive and disincentive?

Feminists have spent the last 50 years creating a society that penalizes men who wish to live a traditional life, and then scream to high heaven when men react to those penalties in a rational manner.

Human societies and civilizations struggled for thousands of years to create and perpetuate social and religious institutions that encouraged the formation of strong, stable, supportive families. Even immoral and downright evil dictators often realized that a strong state is impossible to build without a strong foundation of stable families.

From little things, like patronymics, that subtly help banish lingering paternal uncertainty and reinforce the impression that a man’s wife and children are his family, his responsibility, and a part of him, to legal and religious prohibitions against adultery and divorce, functional societies go to great lengths to ensure familial stability and respect for the institution.

Yet, liberals have worked to remove all of that and they’re suddenly surprised when rational actors don’t see the benefit in trying to create a family under a hostile legal, social, political and moral environment?

Whereas a husband and father 100 years ago might have to worry about the rare instance (less than 1% or 2%) of surreptitious cuckoldry, the husband and father of today has to contend with a greater than 50% divorce rate, laws that FORCE him to financially support another man’s bastards as well as a cheating ex-wife, divorce laws that universally favor the other sex, property laws that destroy a man’s livelihood in the probable event of divorce, a prevailing moral environment hostile to concepts of fidelity and marital responsibility, and a society dedicated to denigrating and eliminating the family.

Yet, despite creating an incentive system that only ever favors random, unemotional and unattached sexual encounters feminists and leftists are utterly amazed, shocked and disgusted when men act like rational actors and choose their actions based on an honest assessment of risks and benefits.

I’m reminded of the Soviet Union’s drive to create a “New Soviet Man”, trying to encourage the average man to be a self-sacrificing dolt that would happily work against his own best interests in order to support an immoral society of redistributionist leeches.

Today’s feminists apparently want the same thing - a man who will happily consent to sacrificing his goals and interests in favor of a woman’s (as opposed to both adopting new, complimentary life goals), a man who will consent to being cheated on, dumped, and forced to spend half or more of his lifetime’s labors supporting his ex-wife (or multiple ex-wives) and another man’s bastard offspring.

Marriage is a fragile thing. It requires a pair of mature, loving, devoted human beings willing to face life’s challenges together as one, including all the challenges posed by each other. Such an arrangement is essential to create a new generation of emotionally stable, capable, productive, and conscientious citizens.

Such a fragile creation must be protected - by a society that frowns upon the behaviors likely to destroy marriage, by laws that encourage the sanctity, stability and longevity of marriage, and by a moral code that exalts the ideals and behaviors that help build strong couples and stronger families. You can’t throw that all out and expect nothing to change.

But apparently the leftists realize on some level that we can’t all be leeches and takers and one-night-stands or f***-buddies, and that societies must have some people that work hard to build the things we need and want. Rather than creating a sane, rational system that favors beneficial behavior, the left would rather guilt, shame, and force people to behave irrationally.


28 posted on 04/01/2014 5:20:42 PM PDT by jameslalor
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To: A Formerly Proud Canadian
Not having a child IS selfish! I suspect that the majority of YOUNG women that murder their unborn children have done so with at least the complicity, if not the coercion of the sperm donor. While many young women claim that they have a 'right' to control their bodies, it is often a young male who decides that the girl should not have the child.

White Knight nonsense.

29 posted on 04/01/2014 5:22:26 PM PDT by ClaytonP
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To: ClaytonP

Hasn’t she heard about women’s liberation?

It’s now every person for themself, ma’am.


30 posted on 04/01/2014 5:27:04 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statemeCLunkes for clunkersnt of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: A Formerly Proud Canadian

Some people don’t have children because they are selfish. Some people who have children are selfish.

You are doing exactly what the leftists do, blame the man for all of societies ills.

While some men push the women to an abortion it is by far the woman and her mother who push most of them.


31 posted on 04/01/2014 5:41:02 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: castlegreyskull
And who is it that usually initiates sex, and is insistent and usually very persistent? The male. Who is it that often then wants no condom because of how it 'feels'? The male! How many times, to 'solve' the 'problem', is the baby aborted? How many times is this because the male, wanting to shirk responsibility, coerces the girl/woman into getting an abortion?

BOTH parties to a pregnancy have a RESPONSIBILITY to ensure no baby is the result. The surest, most Godly way for unmarried couple is ABSTINENCE. You don't get pregnant by just thinking about it!

Unfortunately, we have inherited the trait of seeking to shirk responsibility from our first father. Adam chose not to intervene when Satan tempted 'the woman' (not yet named Eve until AFTER the Fall), shirking his duty to protect her from the temptation. Then, in Gen 3:11-12, look at what he said when God asked, "Have you eaten from the tree that I commanded you not to eat from?” Adam's response was, “The woman you put here with me—she gave me some fruit from the tree, and I ate it.” He tried to shirk HIS responsibility for disobeying God and blaming the woman.

God designed us uniquely among all the animals, in His image. When we point the finger of blame, we should never forget that there are three fingers pointing back at us!

32 posted on 04/01/2014 5:41:55 PM PDT by A Formerly Proud Canadian ( I once was blind, but now I see...)
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To: A Formerly Proud Canadian

“Not having a child IS selfish!”

Talk about rash generalizations. In some cases, not having a child (via birth control, not abortion) is in the best interest of the unborn child. You really think it’s better for kids to be born and be neglected, abused, etc.? Abortion, of course, is murder.

There’s no excuse for unwanted children to be born in today’s society. People’s sexuality has been reduced to the level of farm animals, and that’s disgusting.


33 posted on 04/01/2014 5:55:11 PM PDT by MayflowerMadam
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To: jameslalor
Why do leftists have such extreme difficulty understanding the simple concepts of incentive and disincentive?

Because their de facto leader is Hillary Clinton. And Hillary's Way is to smash and lie and cheat and steal and punish until you get what you want. Hillary's Way is to make people suffer, and extract obedience from them, and then make them suffer some more, and extract more obedience, until they break or die, and then you discard them, scream that they victimized you, and go look for another target.

Americian women have not only accepted Hillary's Way, they are attacked by other women if they don't accept it (which, of course, is Hillary's Way again). They train each other in these techniques, reward each other for using them, and punish each other for rejecting them.

It doesn't matter that these methods are literally madness, that they destroy the very society these females claim to care about and rape their own children into monsters and rip their marriages to shreds, and thereby guarantee the collapse of America and Western civilization and a descent into global war and the death of millions.

They.Don't.Care. They don't care because they have accepted moral corruption so profound, they can never look themselves in the eye again. They don't care because they have developed a taste for other people's suffering. They don't care because they become alcoholics to normalize Hillary's alcoholism, wear thick ugly glasses to normalize Hillary's visual medical requirements and hide her stroke, chop and dye their hair, wear black pantsuits and horsey plastic jewelry, develop a bar laugh, wear men's watches and witche's pointed shoes and attend meetings they.dont.talk.about to normalie Hillary. They don't care because they down antidepressants like chocolate like Hillary. They don't care because they've sold their daughters down the slut-stripper-pole to please Hillary. And finally, they don't care because all of these things have driven them completely insane - like Hillary.

If you value your life, stay away from liberal American women - and RINOs, too. Stay far, far away. Because they are not women - they are females of a new creation of frankensteins that have never been seen before. And they live on hatred and hypocrisy, and they fully intend to run Hillary's concentrations camps. They are the likes of which the world hasn't seen since 1930's Germany, and they Do.Not.Like.You.Breathing.

34 posted on 04/01/2014 5:58:46 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: A Formerly Proud Canadian

“Not having a child IS selfish! “

You have GOT to be kidding.

.


35 posted on 04/01/2014 6:00:39 PM PDT by Mears
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To: A Formerly Proud Canadian

I never said, or meant imply “the male” was without blame. I was given my thoughts on why men are not interested in having children, or getting married for that matter. People want fun with no repercussions. It was a response that was I felt was pertinent to the title.

I appreciate your Biblical analysis, it could not have been better written. I agree with everything you wrote.


36 posted on 04/01/2014 6:07:06 PM PDT by castlegreyskull
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To: A Formerly Proud Canadian

“And who is it that usually initiates sex, and is insistent and usually very persistent? The male. “

Not any more, boy are you out of touch.


37 posted on 04/01/2014 6:09:05 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver
Where have I blamed man for all of society's ills? Man is the first source of sin, having not protected Eve from the serpent (Gen 3, Romans 5:5), leading to the Fall. From Adam, all sin began. The Bible tells me that the MAN is the head of the household, period (1Cor 11:3). The Bible does NOT say that he is the head of the household until his wife decides to take the lead. Woman's curse is to be dominated by her husband, in addition to a painful childbirth (Gen 3:16).

Over too many millenia, man has lorded his position over women, dominating them. This is not the Biblical design. Neither is the 'metrosexual' male, emasculated in the media, the 'Raymond' type of the Everybody Loves Raymond TV show. Because of the dominance of many males, women rebelled. This domination caused the women's movement to change from a quest for equality into what it is today.

There is a Biblical model, as described in 1 Peter 3, Ephesians 5, and 1 Corinthians 7, amongst other Scripture. This model has the man being neither domineering, nor a wimp. He is to lead as Jesus led, a servant leader, demonstrating meekness, as opposed to weakness. Can I say that I practiced this type of leadership at home? No. I failed poorly at it. In an effort to not be dominant over my ex-wife, I went too far the other way, abdicating my leadership. Since she needed a leader, her beloved mother was more than happy to fill that void, leading her to seek divorce.

There is an old joke about a man and his wife attending a service where the Preacher spoke on, "Women, obey your husbands". The man was so impressed that on the way home, he told his wife how things were going to change around the house immediately! His wife would have a cold drink prepared for him the moment he arrived home from work, she would have his slippers ready for him at the door, she would then have supper on the table quickly, she would massage his back whenever he chose, and they would have sex whenever he wanted it. This was a great sermon, he thought, and he was happy that he attended. His wife was very quiet on the drive home. When they got into the house, he said, "Woman, get me a drink!" Suddenly, his wife disappeared and he didn't see her for a few days, until the swelling around his eyes had gone down!

38 posted on 04/01/2014 6:40:37 PM PDT by A Formerly Proud Canadian (I once was blind but now I see...)
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To: A Formerly Proud Canadian

In your posts you have repeatedly blamed man, look to yourself. And again in this one.

The world is fallen, get used to it.

Oh by the way, I don’t need your preaching.


39 posted on 04/01/2014 6:46:26 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: ClaytonP
So taking responsibility for your actions is "White Knight nonsense"? Maybe you would be happier at DU. They espouse taking no responsibility for their actions.
40 posted on 04/01/2014 6:47:09 PM PDT by A Formerly Proud Canadian (I once was blind but now I see...)
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To: driftdiver
Well, bless your heart! Since your comprehension of English seems limited, I did take responsibility for my divorce in the second paragraph.

You may not need my preaching but evidently, you need someone's preaching!

41 posted on 04/01/2014 6:52:04 PM PDT by A Formerly Proud Canadian (I once was blind but now I see...)
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To: A Formerly Proud Canadian
So taking responsibility for your actions is "White Knight nonsense"? Maybe you would be happier at DU. They espouse taking no responsibility for their actions.

The typical attitude of the foolish chivalrous conservatives (White Knights) is to treat women as children who have no moral agency and to shift all blame to men for everything that goes wrong.

Abortion is here because most women want it.

42 posted on 04/01/2014 6:54:49 PM PDT by ClaytonP
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To: A Formerly Proud Canadian

Once again you play a Christian but throw snide remarks and insults left and right.

Perhaps you know the verse about judging others.


43 posted on 04/01/2014 6:57:25 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: ClaytonP

Go ahead and deny what the Bible says about women being the weaker vessel. You can take it up with Jesus!


44 posted on 04/01/2014 6:59:16 PM PDT by A Formerly Proud Canadian (I once was blind but now I see...)
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To: A Formerly Proud Canadian
Over too many millenia, man has lorded his position over women, dominating them. This is not the Biblical design.

You have drunk the feminist kool-aid.

Cutting leaders off at the knees

45 posted on 04/01/2014 7:00:16 PM PDT by ClaytonP
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To: ClaytonP

I wouldn’t want to share a drink with a libtard feminist, let alone provide the seed for her demon spawn

let them all die angry, old maids... childless and alone


46 posted on 04/01/2014 7:00:30 PM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: ClaytonP

Yes and men were so oppressive and over controlling of women they gave them the vote.


47 posted on 04/01/2014 7:01:13 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

I am also well aware of those who do not believe, yet quote the Bible when it suits them. I know that I am a sinner and He is changing me slowly but surely. Unlike some, I don’t kid myself that I am sinless.


48 posted on 04/01/2014 7:01:57 PM PDT by A Formerly Proud Canadian (I once was blind but now I see...)
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To: A Formerly Proud Canadian
Go ahead and deny what the Bible says about women being the weaker vessel. You can take it up with Jesus!

So in your view, women are not responsible for abortion even when the majority of them vote for pro-death politicians every election?

They are the "weaker vessel" and thus have no culpability in their own actions?

49 posted on 04/01/2014 7:02:46 PM PDT by ClaytonP
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To: sten

Honestly that would be the biblical thing to do. It would be improper to marry her out of some man guilt and be forced to procreate unequally yoked.


50 posted on 04/01/2014 7:03:00 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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