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ATF Director: 'Wish I Had Better Answers' About ATF Agents Probing a Tea Party Conservative
CNS News ^ | 3 Apr 2014 | Susan Jones

Posted on 04/03/2014 10:35:15 AM PDT by mandaladon

CNSNews.com) - B. Todd Jones, director of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, couldn't tell Congress why his agents made two visits to a tea party conservative in a 13-month period -- but only after she requested tax-exempt status for her conservative group, True the Vote.

Catherine Engelbrecht had a Federal Firearms License (FFL) for 12 years. "And suddenly she applies for tax exempt status, and you're knocking on her door twice in 13 months," Rep. Jim Jordan (R-Ohio) told Jones at a hearing on Wednesday.

"Congressman, I wish I had better answers," Jones said.

Jordan noted that ATF generally does FFL compliance inspections only in cases with "high-risk indicators," such as criminal activity -- but none of those indicators applied to Engelbrecht:

"Imagine what this lady felt like," a heated Jordan told Jones.

"She gets the full weight of the federal government coming down on her and her family and her business, and all she's trying to do is get a tax-exempt status that had been routine for 50 years, and suddenly now the federal government (is) saying, no, no, no -- you're not going to get that tax-exempt status, and we're going to send four federal agencies out to harass you, including yours."

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: obama; teaparty
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1 posted on 04/03/2014 10:35:16 AM PDT by mandaladon
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To: mandaladon

Maybe a few weeks in jail would improve the accuracy of his response.


2 posted on 04/03/2014 10:38:00 AM PDT by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: Farmer Dean

weeks? Years because he’s obviously lying.


3 posted on 04/03/2014 10:40:13 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Farmer Dean
Maybe a few weeks in jail would improve the accuracy of his response.

Sadly, that option is considered so far out-of-the-question, no one in the Federal Bureaucracy would take such a possibility seriously.

4 posted on 04/03/2014 10:40:43 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: Farmer Dean

Yep, as would jail time for anyone that can be shown as “targeting” anyone for political reasons.

Any gov’t employee that uses his position to target political opponents should actually be subject to life in prison at the least. It’s THAT heinous.


5 posted on 04/03/2014 10:41:20 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Farmer Dean

his real name should be BS Todd Jones


6 posted on 04/03/2014 10:41:41 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad and lived with his parents .)
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To: mandaladon
ATF Director: 'Wish I Had Better Answers' About ATF Agents Probing a Tea Party Conservative

Maybe answers like: I ordered in tanks and CS gas.

7 posted on 04/03/2014 10:43:05 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: Farmer Dean
Maybe a few weeks in jail would improve the accuracy of his response

I doubt it. Maybe in the coming months and years, instead of just coming to visit, they will be coming to haul us away, or do a Branch Davidian on us. I hope not, but who knows for sure?

8 posted on 04/03/2014 10:43:29 AM PDT by Mark17 (Chicago Blackhawks: Stanley Cup champions 2010, 2013. Vietnam Vet 70-71 Msgt US Air Force, retired)
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To: Farmer Dean

It’s clear that this administration has no hesitation in using all the power available in multiple agencies to harass and shut down any and all political dissent (real or imagined).

This level of paranoia exceeds anything Nixon displayed.


9 posted on 04/03/2014 10:45:08 AM PDT by Tigerized (So. Are YOU better off than you were 5 years ago?)
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To: PGR88

Did anyone get jail time for Ruby Ridge? Waco?


10 posted on 04/03/2014 10:46:20 AM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: mandaladon

Wake up and smell the police state.


11 posted on 04/03/2014 10:47:49 AM PDT by thorvaldr
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To: mandaladon

“Congressman, I wish I had better answers,” Jones said.

He means, “I wish we had thought to plant something incriminating, we’ll be more thorough in the future.”


12 posted on 04/03/2014 10:49:12 AM PDT by JimSEA
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To: mandaladon

Ping for later angry reading.


13 posted on 04/03/2014 10:50:06 AM PDT by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: mandaladon

Elijiah Cummings is up to his bloodshot eyeballs in this investigation

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1012/82584.html

Elijah Cummings confronts anti-vote-fraud group

Maryland Rep. Elijah Cummings, ranking member of the Oversight and Government Reform Committee, has sent two letters to the Houston-based organization seeking “specific documents about the manner in which True the Vote and its affiliated organizations have been challenging the registration of thousands of voters across the country based on insufficient, inaccurate and faulty evidence.”

...............

Cummings complained that True the Vote has “not produced a single document” yet in response to his original Oct. 4 letter, but has asked for a face-to-face meeting with the Maryland Democrat. Cummings declined any such meeting until True the Vote turns over the information he is seeking, which includes estimates of the number of poll monitors it will field, where these monitors will be sent, and copies of the voter rolls it is using to determine voter eligibility.

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2014/02/06/True-the-Votes-Engelbrecht-Files-Formal-Ethics-Complaint-Against-Rep-Elijah-Cummings

True the Vote’s Engelbrecht Files Formal Ethics Complaint Against Rep. Elijah Cummings


14 posted on 04/03/2014 10:50:40 AM PDT by digger48
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To: mandaladon

Back when it was the BATF I attended a high-end gun show in Tennessee. There were hundreds of venders. A BATF team was walking around as we set up. At the front was a man with really exotic $5,000 antique guns. Suddenly they were shouting at him. They threw cuffs on him, then while he watched they brought a trash bin over and purposely slammed these $5,000 antiques into the bin. It was obvious they were causing damage on purpose. I asked my Uncle, who was a small individual dealer, what was going on and he said, “It’s intimidation. They’re just keeping everybody in line. They’ll release him at the end of the show and give him his guns back.” That’s exactly what they did. It was one of the most astonishing things I’d ever witnessed.

I’ll tell you though, the BATF really pissed the dealers off. My feeling was if there was something they could do to pull one over on them, even if they wouldn’t have done it before they’d do it now. There were state tax revenuers walking the show. The dealers, including my uncle, would wait until the tax guys were tied up and then pack and vamoose. I’d wager they collected only a small percentage of the tax. Granted that wasn’t a BATF thing, but the BATF’s actions set the atmosphere. Everybody was darned angry.

That was a lesson in what the BATF really is; essentially a terrorist organization with badges.


15 posted on 04/03/2014 10:52:41 AM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: mandaladon

Like IRS, ATF is abunch of Gangsta Thugs we can very weel do without.

BOTH agencies should be disbanded. There is NO Constitutional basis for their existence.


16 posted on 04/03/2014 10:53:01 AM PDT by ZULU (STOP JEB BUSH!!!! NO MORE BUSHES!! US OUT OF THE UN AND UN OUT OF US!!)
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To: Farmer Dean

How about a year or two in Leavenworth ?


17 posted on 04/03/2014 10:55:10 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Rip it out by the roots.)
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To: Mark17

Attrition is a female canine.


18 posted on 04/03/2014 10:55:14 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (FIGHT! FIGHT! SEVERE CONSERVATIVE AND THE WILD RIGHT!)
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To: Farmer Dean

Make him go into Mexico to retrieve all the the ATF supplied guns.


19 posted on 04/03/2014 10:55:23 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: demshateGod

I am wondering if this has anything to do with those DHS terrorist guides that were changed from Islam to Domestic Right Wing terrorists.


20 posted on 04/03/2014 10:56:41 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz ("Heck of a reset there, Hillary")
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To: demshateGod

I am wondering if this has anything to do with those DHS terrorist guides that were changed from Islam to Domestic Right Wing terrorists.

By mistake of course.


21 posted on 04/03/2014 10:56:59 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz ("Heck of a reset there, Hillary")
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To: mandaladon
BS. and B.O.S.S.


22 posted on 04/03/2014 11:04:19 AM PDT by MeshugeMikey ( "Never, never, never give up". Winston Churchill)
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To: demshateGod

No, but several of the survivors were compensated through civil procedures, AFAIK.


23 posted on 04/03/2014 11:06:17 AM PDT by Triple (Socialism denies people the right to the fruits of their labor, and is as abhorrent as slavery)
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To: mandaladon

Ahhh...because they were ordered to by ERIC HOLDER of the JUST US Department?

Though not very smart, I’ll bet the a’hole did so with a PHONE CALL on the burn phone he keeps for such situations. Can’t risk having any of those pesky emails showing up in a century or two after he and obozo are safely in their graves.


24 posted on 04/03/2014 11:07:33 AM PDT by Dick Bachert (Ignorance is NOT BLISS. It is the ROAD TO SERFDOM! We're on a ROAD TRIP!!)
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To: mandaladon

ATF probed the hell out of the Branch Davidians. Guess some things just never change.


25 posted on 04/03/2014 11:12:56 AM PDT by Noamie
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To: mandaladon

How long does a moral society survive when those in government and in law enforcement are serial liars and career criminals?


26 posted on 04/03/2014 11:14:18 AM PDT by Amagi (Lenin: "Socialized Medicine is the Keystone to the Arch of the Socialist State.")
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To: mandaladon; COUNTrecount; Nowhere Man; FightThePower!; C. Edmund Wright; jacob allen; ...

Nut-job Conspiracy Theory Ping!

To get onto The Nut-job Conspiracy Theory Ping List you must threaten to report me to the Mods if I don't add you to the list...

27 posted on 04/03/2014 11:15:32 AM PDT by null and void (I don't mind getting older, but I hate wearing out!)
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To: mandaladon

“high-risk indicators,” such as criminal activity”

Yeah right. Political and religious beliefs are now “high risk” indicators.


28 posted on 04/03/2014 11:15:52 AM PDT by Augustinian monk
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To: mandaladon
'Not even a smidgen of corruption'

It is all such BS. And a Member of Congress showed up at someone's place of business??? WTF?

29 posted on 04/03/2014 11:17:43 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (Operating out of weakness? Imagine if he was working from a position of strength!)
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To: Farmer Dean

A flogging: 10 lashes. Failure to answer the question: Hanging for sedition.


30 posted on 04/03/2014 11:21:31 AM PDT by CodeToad (Arm Up! They Are!)
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To: mandaladon

“Did anyone at the White House...?”
“No,” Jones replied.
“Did any federal agency talk to you or anyone at ATF...?”
“No.”
“Did any member of Congress contact you or anyone at ATF...?”
“Not to my knowledge,” Jones replied.
“Have you talked to any other federal agency...”?
“Not to my knowledge.”
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From a definitive “NO” to a “NOT TO MY KNOWLEDGE”. Jones is lying through his teeth.


31 posted on 04/03/2014 11:21:49 AM PDT by lakecumberlandvet (Appeasement never works.)
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To: mandaladon

And the Dems in Congress accused Nixon of stonewalling during Watergate (and the media ran with it over and over and over and...).


32 posted on 04/03/2014 11:22:40 AM PDT by jeffc (The U.S. media are our enemy)
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To: Gen.Blather

I was at a gun show in Pasadena, TX when a guy came up to one of the venders and wanted to buy a Luger with no papers.

The dealer said he couldn’t do it.

The guy then offered him an additional $500 if he would sell with no papers.

The dealer said no.

The guy then offered an additional $1000 for no papers.

I was standing at the table next to him and heard what he was doing so I acted like I knew him.

I approached him stuck out my hand and shook his hand and asked him how the ATF had been treating him.

Wonder why he left the show?


33 posted on 04/03/2014 11:25:03 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: IMR 4350

I wanted to buy a .38 revolver to wear on my property so I could shoot snakes with snake shot. I just wanted a cheap gun. I wandered my entire local armory show and couldn’t find one used .38. An old man heard me asking and said he had a .38 he was trying to sell. He’d worn it for 30 years some decades ago. It was in awesome condition. I whipped out 4 $100 bills and walked with it. The dealers were visibly angry.

When I was a kid I could have walked into K-mart or Sears and bought it at the counter just as easily. (I don’t know if you had to be an adult or not back then, but regardless no id was required. However, you had to produce a driver’s license to buy ammo and sign a book.)


34 posted on 04/03/2014 11:33:54 AM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: IMR 4350; Chode; SgtBob

Classic!!!

ROFLMAOPIP!!!


35 posted on 04/03/2014 11:34:01 AM PDT by mabarker1 (Please, Somebody Impeach the kenyan!!!!)
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To: mandaladon

Subpoena the field agents that conducted the visits and the lower level supervisors. They aren’t used to Congressional hearings and pressure. They might actually commit truth, inadvertently.


36 posted on 04/03/2014 11:41:29 AM PDT by Truth29
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To: mandaladon

I was watching parts of the testimony of Morrell yesterday. The way he answered questions, combined with Samatha Powers answers for UN position, Lois Lerner taking the fifth and rubbing it in their faces, the IRS head smug answers, and on and on. They not only refuse to answer, they are downright blatently disrepectful and snarky about it. And the Repubs just bend over and take it. Those people on the Hill do not seem to grasp they were put back in charge for a reason. It reminds me of professional wrestling and the stage act of just about losing and suddenly getting a second wind to win. Makes my blood boil.


37 posted on 04/03/2014 11:44:00 AM PDT by 7thson (I've got a seat at the big conference table! I'm gonna paint my logo on it!)
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To: demshateGod

Of course not. Might makes Right!


38 posted on 04/03/2014 11:55:40 AM PDT by jayrunner
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To: mandaladon

I wonder how her ethics complaint against the large-mouthed, fat-headed Amish fellow is coming along.


39 posted on 04/03/2014 12:28:37 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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To: mandaladon
"Congressman, I wish I had better answers," Jones said.

Then. Get. Some.

40 posted on 04/03/2014 12:30:11 PM PDT by Colonel_Flagg (Some people meet their heroes. I raised mine. Go Army.)
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To: Gen.Blather

I sold a Ruger new model Super Blackhawk in a private sale at a gun show.

The guy buying it from me acted like it was supposed to be done in secret for some reason.

Conditioned response I guess.

The guy was in his 70’s and had a hard time holding it up so I didn’t figure he was a threat.


41 posted on 04/03/2014 12:30:43 PM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: mabarker1

There’s more way than one to have a good time at a gun show.


42 posted on 04/03/2014 12:36:21 PM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: IMR 4350

Out of curiosity why did you sell the Rugger? I absolutely love my two Rugger 9mm RSC’s but I didn’t originally want to buy two. I bought one and a Rugger (84 or 93, I can’t recall.) But it jammed so frequently I sent it back three times, the second and third time with a video as they couldn’t duplicate the jamming. I had a friend fire it on the video and you could see he wasn’t limp-wristing it. (Where you hold it too loosely and it can’t eject.) The problem was a failure to feed once it got hot. They offered me a different gun but it had to be 9mm. So, two RSC’s.


43 posted on 04/03/2014 12:42:21 PM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: mandaladon

The “stench” in Washington is overwhelming. And they’re worried about cows?


44 posted on 04/03/2014 12:45:36 PM PDT by Dapper 26
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To: mandaladon

We need to fire everydambody.
This stuff needs to stop.


45 posted on 04/03/2014 12:52:11 PM PDT by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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To: demshateGod

Anyone get jail time for The Great Heist of 2007-08? Not even one indictment.

The Federal government, in conjunction with global movers and shakers, is simply a cartel, comprised of the money men, the planners and organizers, and the men with guns.


46 posted on 04/03/2014 12:58:27 PM PDT by dagogo redux
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To: Gen.Blather

Found an old model in almost new condition.

I like the old model Ruger SA’s better than the new models, more like the Colt SA’s.

I’ve got Ruger old models in .45 colt, .44mag., .41mag, .357mag, and .22mag.

New models in .32-20/.32mag, .41mag, .44-40.


47 posted on 04/03/2014 1:05:06 PM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: mandaladon

There needs to be a law provides congress a hammer to beat fuses bureaucrats with if they are less than truthful. How about a majority vote to reduce their pensions by a percentage a 20% a pop until they entirely lose their pension or congress can fire up to 200 people a year and forbid them from ever working or contracting with the federal government?


48 posted on 04/03/2014 1:33:09 PM PDT by WMarshal (Free citizen, never a subject or a civilian)
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To: null and void

and the pogroms continue


49 posted on 04/03/2014 2:31:24 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: IMR 4350; mabarker1
OUTSTANDING!!!
50 posted on 04/03/2014 2:46:24 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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