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Mass. targets smoking in public housing
bostonglobe ^ | April 4 | boston globe

Posted on 04/04/2014 9:15:54 AM PDT by Drango

Governor Deval Patrick’s administration moved Thursday to stamp out smoking in public housing in Massachusetts.

The Department of Housing and Community Development issued guidelines to the state’s 240 local housing authorities, urging them to develop smoke-free policies for their state-aided public housing units. Such policies would prohibit tenants from smoking in a housing authority’s buildings and apartments.

Local authorities could not ban tenants who smoke, nor could they force a tenant to quit smoking in order to keep their apartment, as long as they do not smoke in any of a housing authority’s buildings or units.

Smoking is allowed in state public housing units, although it is banned in common areas.

Housing Undersecretary Aaron Gornstein said the goal is to protect the health of residents from secondhand smoke; prevent deaths and injuries from smoking-related fires; and reduce the cost of having to scrub away smoke stains, replace carpeting, and clean ductwork and fans when turning over a unit to a nonsmoker.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Massachusetts
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The fact is, poor people sucking on the government teat are also sucking on cigarettes. Clearly they have disposable income to spend on cigarettes....the rhetorical question is why aren't they putting those dollars to use on housing?
1 posted on 04/04/2014 9:15:54 AM PDT by Drango
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To: Drango

Agreed. If they want to smoke in their own homes, then let them GET their own homes.


2 posted on 04/04/2014 9:18:34 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Drango

Rhetorical question: They are also some of the best customers for high priced weed and cocaine as well. Would you deny them those “rights” too?


3 posted on 04/04/2014 9:21:51 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Drango

But if it’s marijuana, it’s okay…..


4 posted on 04/04/2014 9:24:04 AM PDT by txrefugee
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To: Drango
FR's own resident anti-smoker nanny stater.

The proper solution is to completely remove all 'state housing' and the associated theft (taxes) from producers that supports it.

/johnny

5 posted on 04/04/2014 9:25:18 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Drango
When politicians think they have nothing to do...they go after tobacco or children playing Cowboys and Indians with toy or imaginary weapons...or bowing and scraping to lobbies who might donate to their campaigns...finally taking away your freedom to do what is legal in your own home. All the while promoting perverted behaivor and smoking dope...s-o-m-k-i-n-g is a dirty word in their view BUT not legalizing dope i.e., marijuana. VOTE those hypocrites out of office.
6 posted on 04/04/2014 9:25:42 AM PDT by yoe
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To: Drango
“Coupe Deval” Patrick has made it abundantly clear that he's running for President.Victimizing “the most vulnerable among us” won't help him with the Rat Party base.
7 posted on 04/04/2014 9:27:44 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Stalin Blamed The Kulaks,Obama Blames The Tea Party)
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To: Gay State Conservative
Victimizing “the most vulnerable among us

Wait. What??

8 posted on 04/04/2014 9:32:06 AM PDT by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: Drango

Question is who are the “240 Housing Authorities” being given this directive? The owners of the government subsidized apartments?

Easy to imagine the State Gov making the property owner responsible for:

Getting tenants to quit smoking
And
Cleaning up the ventilation systems mentioned in the article


9 posted on 04/04/2014 9:32:20 AM PDT by jcon40
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To: Drango
Wait. What??

You clearly don't get to Massachusetts much,do you! Here in the Gay State those who live in public housing (including Osama Obama's illegal alien aunt) are considered to be victims of this despicable,oppressive nation.

10 posted on 04/04/2014 9:39:40 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Stalin Blamed The Kulaks,Obama Blames The Tea Party)
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To: Gay State Conservative

I suffer and pay penance by living in California.


11 posted on 04/04/2014 9:42:44 AM PDT by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: Drango

Take away their smokes and they will have hell to pay.


12 posted on 04/04/2014 9:44:24 AM PDT by dforest
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To: Drango

Massachusett - $9/ pack

2 packs a day X 30 days = $540/month

That’d go a long way toward paying their own damn rent


13 posted on 04/04/2014 9:48:32 AM PDT by digger48
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To: Drango

“The fact is, poor people sucking on the government teat are also sucking on cigarettes. Clearly they have disposable income to spend on cigarettes....the rhetorical question is why aren’t they putting those dollars to use on housing?”


Another fact is, what are we going to do with all the people who can’t mind their own business? Because THAT seems to be the REAL problem we face. And chronically, at that.

I find, that people who cannot MYOB are far more offensive than a smoker could ever be. Why doesn’t the gov of assachussetts do something about the ‘squalor’ that many people in “projects”(let’s call them what they are) live in, rather than focus on smoking? It would be a far more respectable thing to achieve, I believe.


14 posted on 04/04/2014 9:50:59 AM PDT by ourworldawry
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To: digger48

$540/month x 12 = $6,480 a year. YIKES

The funny thing is that there are a bunch of FReepers who believe smoking is a special class and untouchable. And apparently if the comments are to be believed, society (aka the taxpayer) should provide them welfare in the form of housing.


15 posted on 04/04/2014 10:09:58 AM PDT by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: ourworldawry

I support drug testing to qualify for all welfare such as housing, food stamps, and AFDC. By extension, people spending money on cigarettes while their hand is in the public’s pocket is not something I support.


16 posted on 04/04/2014 10:15:44 AM PDT by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: ourworldawry
I am with you. If they want to regulate what goes on outside of the individual housing unit, no problem.

I might be in the minority. As far as I am concerned, government has no business regulating legal activity inside a home, be it owned, rented, or a public housing unit.

I am sure there is enough illegal activity in and outside of the units to worry about anyway.

17 posted on 04/04/2014 10:27:38 AM PDT by Protect the Bill of Rights
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To: Drango

I’m an ex-smoker, but I don’t have any problem with anyone else who smokes.

I just find it a bit unnerving that smokers are banned in every other place that is run by the government, so why not the Public Housing that we are paying for?


18 posted on 04/04/2014 10:37:27 AM PDT by digger48
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To: Drango

But...but...but that would be (all together, now) RAACISSST!


19 posted on 04/04/2014 11:09:30 AM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed & water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: Gay State Conservative

This is going to happen, get real. The harps in D street have more political drag than your average Government Slave.


20 posted on 04/04/2014 11:15:04 AM PDT by Little Bill (EVICT Queen Jean)
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To: digger48

Come to NH and reduce the cost of your habit. Keep our taxes low and increase our budget surplus.


21 posted on 04/04/2014 11:18:38 AM PDT by Little Bill (EVICT Queen Jean)
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To: Drango
The funny thing is that there are a bunch of FReepers who believe smoking is a special class and untouchable.

Cigarettes are a legal product, so it's a bit overbearing to keep tightening up on where people may use this legal product.

Liberals are continuously looking for more and more restrictions to put on people. Once they get one restriction enacted, they're already working on the next. Where does it stop?

22 posted on 04/04/2014 11:27:42 AM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: Little Bill

IN is already a buck/pack cheaper than NH.

And we too, have a nice surplus here.

Makes no dif to me anyway, as I’m an ex-smoker.

But if does kinda rub me the wrong way to see some 5’0”, 300 lb, tattooed bleachblond using her EBT to buy her Kingsized Snickers and 44oz Slurpee and then counting out $11.00 worth of change to buy 2 packs of smokes while the line builds behind her


23 posted on 04/04/2014 11:31:05 AM PDT by digger48
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To: Drango

Again, way too much control being shown by our “PUBLIC SERVANTS. /sarc”

That said, if I check in a Motel/Hotel and am PAYING for the room and they tell me I can’t smoke there - Private Property aside, as if you were to ‘question’ the policy, someone would try and cite some City or County Ordinance.

So if the Fed/State/County/City/Town Govt can tell me I can’t allow smoking in my Motel/Hotel or Bar, why would they allow people to smoke in PUBLIC (supported) Housing?


24 posted on 04/04/2014 11:35:39 AM PDT by xrmusn ((6/98 --"I would agree with you BUT that would make both of us wrong".))
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To: Drango

I get it that we shouldn’t be supporting people who waste money on cigarettes. But I’d rather they smoke cigarettes then become addicted to the cheap heroin that’s wreaking so much havoc.


25 posted on 04/04/2014 11:40:12 AM PDT by grania
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...

Dump taxpayer funded housing, and kill two birds with one stone. Thanks Drango.


26 posted on 04/04/2014 1:17:09 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Obama is now making Jimmy Carter look like Attila the Hun. /focus/news/3138768/posts)
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To: Drango

Lord in heaven. For the first time I agree with you. If the people living in public housing don’t like the smoking ban, then move the bleep out! Buy a house and you can smoke as much as you want.


27 posted on 04/04/2014 2:39:18 PM PDT by HenpeckedCon (What pi$$es me off the most is that POS commie will get a State Funeral!)
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To: SunkenCiv

Welfare recipients in general mare poor choice on purchases. Time to stop rewarding their bad behavior.


28 posted on 04/04/2014 3:58:26 PM PDT by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: Drango
While I agree with the sentiment, it's never going to happen. Some failed lawyer in a black robe will put a stop to it.

BUT, before it is halted I would like to see Deval beat on the project doors and tell 300lb., bad attitude, black wefare momma that she can't smoke in her crib.

I hope the cameras are rolling because that film should provide laughs for years.

29 posted on 04/04/2014 5:18:35 PM PDT by metalurgist ( Want your country back? It'll take guns and rope. Marxists won't give up peaceably.)
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To: Drango

Time to limit more of their liberty!


30 posted on 04/04/2014 6:22:58 PM PDT by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: Mears

bfl


31 posted on 04/04/2014 6:33:30 PM PDT by Mears
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To: Drango
At the end of the day if you're living on welfare (other people's tax money) then the people paying for your ass have every right to tell you not to smoke in THEIR house.

Period.

Don't like it, get off your fat, lazy, government cheese eating cigarette smoking ass and get an f'ing job!

32 posted on 04/04/2014 6:35:06 PM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: ourworldawry
Another fact is, what are we going to do with all the people who can’t mind their own business? Because THAT seems to be the REAL problem we face. And chronically, at that.

WRONG! If you're living in PUBLIC housing paid for by OTHER PEOPLE'S MONEY then those people have every right to tell you what NOT to do in THEIR HOUSE!

Don't like it, get an f'ing job, stop taking OTHER PEOPLE's MONEY and support yourself!

33 posted on 04/04/2014 6:37:20 PM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: grania
I get it that we shouldn’t be supporting people who waste money on cigarettes. But I’d rather they smoke cigarettes then become addicted to the cheap heroin that’s wreaking so much havoc.

In an example above, that's $540 TAXPAYER DOLLARS WASTED on Cigarettes by a welfare recipient. That same WELARE RECIPIENT is living in PUBLIC HOUSING, paid for by YOU and Me.

Seems to me YOU and I are paying for their Cigarette's AND their house! I think that's wrong. Either cut off their welfare to stop paying for their cigarettes so that they cannot smoke in YOUR and MY house, or kick their asses outta public housing and tell them to find somewhere else to wreck.

If you're living off my money, yes I do have the right to tell you how to live. Don't like it, support yourself. It's that simple.

34 posted on 04/04/2014 6:42:52 PM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: usconservative

” WRONG! If you’re living in PUBLIC housing paid for by OTHER PEOPLE’S MONEY then those people have every right to tell you what NOT to do in THEIR HOUSE!

Don’t like it, get an f’ing job, stop taking OTHER PEOPLE’s MONEY and support yourself! “


Well, I don’t live in a “project”. Nor do I support people sitting home on their duff on MY HARD EARNED MONEY.

However, this is how I see it.....When the H.A. makes an effort to not let the demographic of renters who TRASH, cook drugs, sell drugs, thug around, allow gaggles of unruly children running around, etc..rent housing, therefore turning them INTO “projects”...then one can cry about “smoking”.


35 posted on 04/04/2014 7:16:47 PM PDT by ourworldawry
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To: usconservative

“If you’re living off my money, yes I do have the right to tell you how to live.”


So, do you also think the bank has the right to tell someone who applies for a home loan, what kind of house they can buy? Because after all, they would be using SOMEONE ELSE’S MONEY.


36 posted on 04/04/2014 7:21:55 PM PDT by ourworldawry
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To: ourworldawry
So, do you also think the bank has the right to tell someone who applies for a home loan, what kind of house they can buy? Because after all, they would be using SOMEONE ELSE’S MONEY.

That's not an apples to apples comparison and I suspect you know that.

Having said that, YES the Bank does tell you what your obligations are during the term of the loan. For example: You must maintain adequate PROPERTY INSURANCE in the event of fire for example, either damages or destroys the home your insurance must either (a)put the home back to liveable condition or (b) be sufficient in sum to replace the home (build new) to equivalent value of the loan

You as the borrower are also required to pay PROPERTY TAXES (if required in the state which the loan is issued) either through ESCROW payments included with your mortgage payment or providing proof of payment each year to the bank.

So YES, a bank DOES tell you what you MUST DO during the term of the loan.

37 posted on 04/04/2014 7:25:58 PM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: Drango

” I support drug testing to qualify for all welfare such as housing, food stamps, and AFDC. By extension, people spending money on cigarettes while their hand is in the public’s pocket is not something I support.”


I agree.


38 posted on 04/04/2014 7:26:39 PM PDT by ourworldawry
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To: ourworldawry
By the way, a bank may also call the loan IMMEDIATELY DUE if you do NOT maintain an insurance policy on the home covering loss in event of fire or other disaster.

YES, banks specify what your obligations are for ANY LOAN that they issue. They're called Terms & Conditions.

You'd know this if you ever borrowed money from a bank.

39 posted on 04/04/2014 7:27:50 PM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: ourworldawry
I agree.

You're telling other people what they can/cannot do in order to live in public housing! How's that different from what I stated?

40 posted on 04/04/2014 7:28:46 PM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: usconservative

Answer: It’s not.


41 posted on 04/04/2014 7:29:13 PM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: Drango

Take the King’s Coin, Do the King’s Bidding.

Don’t like it? Get off of welfare then.


42 posted on 04/04/2014 7:29:35 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator
Take the King’s Coin, Do the King’s Bidding. Don’t like it? Get off of welfare then.

Right on. Some argue otherwise on this thread --- put your flamesuit on.

43 posted on 04/04/2014 7:30:55 PM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: grania
But I’d rather they smoke cigarettes then become addicted to the cheap heroin that’s wreaking so much havoc.

Is there a heroin addict that isn't also hooked on cigarettes? I've heard more than one former heroin addicts that say that giving up heroin was easier than giving up cigarettes.

44 posted on 04/04/2014 7:35:16 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: usconservative

Where is my choice as to whether or not I support people living in public housing? When do I get a say as to what they do with my money?


45 posted on 04/04/2014 7:36:09 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: usconservative

“That’s not an apples to apples comparison and I suspect you know that.

Having said that, YES the Bank does tell you what your obligations are during the term of the loan. For example: You must maintain adequate PROPERTY INSURANCE in the event of fire for example, either damages or destroys the home your insurance must either (a)put the home back to liveable condition or (b) be sufficient in sum to replace the home (build new) to equivalent value of the loan

You as the borrower are also required to pay PROPERTY TAXES (if required in the state which the loan is issued) either through ESCROW payments included with your mortgage payment or providing proof of payment each year to the bank.

So YES, a bank DOES tell you what you MUST DO during the term of the loan.”


I’m aware of the logistics....though not my question.


46 posted on 04/04/2014 7:36:51 PM PDT by ourworldawry
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To: Drango

If they have money to spend on cigarettes, then they have money to pay normal rent.


47 posted on 04/04/2014 7:39:08 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: usconservative

“You’re telling other people what they can/cannot do in order to live in public housing! How’s that different from what I stated?”


I’m not telling ANYONE what to do, however, I AM in favor of drug testing. And, it IS different from what you said. YOUR talking about flippin cigarettes. Cigarettes!


48 posted on 04/04/2014 7:40:08 PM PDT by ourworldawry
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To: dfwgator
Not sure you went back and read my posts, I say if they're living on public assistance and we're paying for their housing, we absolutely DO have the right to tell them what they cannot do in OUR house.

Their SNAP/EBT cards specify what they CANNOT buy with them, why's public housing any different?

Like you said, "take the kings coin, do the kings bidding."

49 posted on 04/04/2014 7:40:46 PM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: dfwgator
Not sure you went back and read my posts, I say if they're living on public assistance and we're paying for their housing, we absolutely DO have the right to tell them what they cannot do in OUR house.

Their SNAP/EBT cards specify what they CANNOT buy with them, why's public housing any different?

Like you said, "take the kings coin, do the kings bidding."

50 posted on 04/04/2014 7:41:15 PM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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