[Mariner]

"hen they might have a better understanding that water boarding is not torture."

Have you been on the waterboard?

I have. SERE/FASO West, 1978.

In my opinion it is torture by any definition.

[Mariner]

To add to the above, I must say I SUPPORT the waterboarding of terrorists, out of uniform.

[kabar]

I did SERE training at Widbey Island in 1967 prior to going to Vietnam. Nothing they did to us was really torture by any real definition of the word. US prisoners during WWII, Korea, and Vietnam suffered real torture at the hands of their captors. And many died or suffered permanent injuries as a result.

I guess you consider what was done at Abu Ghraib as torture. We are defining torture down. What's next? Loud music? A non-halal dinner entree?