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MH370 search area drastically reduced after two more pings heard
The Guardian UK ^ | April 8th, 2014 23.46 EDT | Paul Farrell

Posted on 04/08/2014 9:28:15 PM PDT by blueplum

Australian official says since Ocean Shield vessel has reacquired signal he is 'optimistic' plane will be found soon

The search area for the missing Malaysia airlines flight MH370 has been drastically reduced after two further detections of pings consistent with those of a black box from a plane late on Tuesday.

The head of Australia’s Joint Agency Co-ordination Centre, Angus Houston, said on Wednesday the Australian defence vessel Ocean Shield had detected two further pings on Tuesday – one in the afternoon and one in the late evening – that had allowed the search area to be further refined to 75,000 sq km. He said he was “optimistic” the plane would be found soon.

“I can now tell you that Ocean Shield has been able to reacquire the signals on two further occasions; late yesterday afternoon and late last night,” Houston said.

(Excerpt) Read more at theguardian.com ...


TOPICS: Australia/New Zealand; Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: airpiracy; china; mh370; missingplane
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looks like the Aussies are getting warmer...
1 posted on 04/08/2014 9:28:16 PM PDT by blueplum
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To: blueplum

http://www.jacc.gov.au/media/releases/2014/april/mr_014-2.jpg


2 posted on 04/08/2014 9:29:34 PM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: blueplum

Moonshine.


3 posted on 04/08/2014 9:32:10 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2M for Cruz and/or Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: blueplum
Give me a ping, Vasili. One ping only, please.
4 posted on 04/08/2014 9:34:30 PM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

LOL Cheers!


5 posted on 04/08/2014 9:35:10 PM PDT by blueplum
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To: ltc8k6
Add <img src= to the beginging of that and > to the end like so:

<img src=http://www.jacc.gov.au/media/releases/2014/april/mr_014-2.jpg>

and it posts like this:


6 posted on 04/08/2014 9:35:31 PM PDT by null and void (The British declared war on the Tea Party. The Tea Party won! (Thanks mom!))
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To: blueplum

One ping, Vasily...


7 posted on 04/08/2014 9:35:41 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: blueplum

it is time to for a ping ping


8 posted on 04/08/2014 9:37:18 PM PDT by xp38
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To: null and void

Looks like a whale ingested the device.....


9 posted on 04/08/2014 9:39:58 PM PDT by spokeshave (OMG.......Schadenfreude overload is not covered under Obamacare :-()
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To: Mastador1

LOL...just watched it again a couple nights ago. First time since it came out.


10 posted on 04/08/2014 9:41:50 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: blueplum

Aussies have done an amazing job throughout this impossible search. I hope to God they find this wreckage so the families can finally grieve.


11 posted on 04/08/2014 9:43:35 PM PDT by montag813
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To: Mastador1

Only if you let me raise rabbits in Montana.


12 posted on 04/08/2014 9:43:51 PM PDT by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: ltc8k6; null and void

thanks for the graphic :) really helps understand what’s happening.


13 posted on 04/08/2014 9:44:19 PM PDT by blueplum
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To: null and void
How can we triangulate from that?

Better ask Bill Clinton.

14 posted on 04/08/2014 9:46:19 PM PDT by Kennard
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To: TigersEye

Fewer dental floss ranchers to compete with.


15 posted on 04/08/2014 9:51:03 PM PDT by printhead (Standard & Poor - Poor is the new standard.)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
LOL...just watched it again a couple nights ago. First time since it came out.

There was a time I actually enjoyed Baldwin in a movie.

16 posted on 04/08/2014 9:51:35 PM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: TigersEye
Only if you let me raise rabbits in Montana.

Sad he never made it, but then you don't have to go to Montana, we have a thriving population in my tract here in Anaheim.

17 posted on 04/08/2014 9:53:35 PM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: printhead
You are unlikely to find anything so bourgeoisie as a pair
of zircon-encrusted tweezers on a Soviet submarine anyway.
18 posted on 04/08/2014 9:54:56 PM PDT by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: Mastador1
Every good movie has to have a little tear jerker in it somewhere.

I always have at least one cotton tail around here and in the spring a family gets going but by mid-winter the coyotes and hawks pare it back down to one. That's a little sad too but that's the balance of nature.

19 posted on 04/08/2014 10:00:09 PM PDT by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: Mastador1

True dat.


20 posted on 04/08/2014 10:04:59 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: null and void

I only post small pics that way, and overall I’d rather just use the clickable link anyway as a courtesy to the website.


21 posted on 04/08/2014 10:13:43 PM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: Mastador1

Love that movie


22 posted on 04/08/2014 10:14:26 PM PDT by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: Army Air Corps

That’s my line. :-)


23 posted on 04/08/2014 10:42:23 PM PDT by Ramius (Personally, I give us one chance in three. More tea anyone?)
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To: blueplum

You would think if you heard two more pings you would NOT reduce the search. You would INCREASE the search.


24 posted on 04/08/2014 10:55:01 PM PDT by Beowulf9
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To: montag813

Amen


25 posted on 04/08/2014 10:56:07 PM PDT by lonevoice (We can evade reality, but we cannot evade the consequences of evading reality)
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To: Beowulf9
You would think if you heard two more pings you would NOT reduce the search. You would INCREASE the search

They aren't reducing the search. They are reducing the search area. Big difference. Reducing search area means focusing those assets on hand on a more specific area. If they can get two - three ships with the monitoring equipment to hear the pings they are hearing then they can triangulate and pinpoint the exact location.

26 posted on 04/08/2014 11:02:59 PM PDT by cva66snipe ((Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?))
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To: ltc8k6
I only post small pics that way, and overall I’d rather just use the clickable link anyway as a courtesy to the website.

I don't believe the image ever resides on the FR server - it just gets dragged to your browser when you either open the FR page with the proper image tag, or click on the link provided. Either way - if the user is going to view the image, it is going to cost the same amount of transfer time.

Someone - feel free to correct me if I'm wrong

27 posted on 04/08/2014 11:09:55 PM PDT by tahoeblue
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To: cva66snipe

Duh.

Oh.

Thank you, lol.


28 posted on 04/08/2014 11:10:36 PM PDT by Beowulf9
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To: blueplum

I have a feeling plane is mostly intact and for some reason is buoyant enough that its following an undersea current. It may be very deep on the other hand and under 30 feet of silt in a canyon.


29 posted on 04/08/2014 11:16:43 PM PDT by Spartan302
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To: blueplum

So how far did they take it from Diego Garcia after removing it from the plane.

Does no one find it curious that there’s been a media blackout on the payload of tha plane? AFter initial reports of highly secretive cargo - that was developed by Chinese scientists - 6 of whom were on board- on it’s way to China?

No one curious at all? ZERO mention of the cargo or the scientists since the first day or so.

they may find the black box - after all, they can easily be removed from a plane - and ‘dropped.” - and everyone will believe whatever they’re fed.

this report is pretty eleborate not to have some basis - (Does everyone swallow the hype, that in this day and age, when they can read your number plate from space, that no one could ‘find’ this plane for the hundreds of miles it flew after making the turn from it’s flight path? The Sheeple continue to be gullible)

http://pakistancyberforce.blogspot.com/2014/03/malaysia-airlines-mh370-suspicious.html


30 posted on 04/08/2014 11:31:24 PM PDT by maine-iac7 (Christian is as Christian does - by their fruits)
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To: maine-iac7

the only thing we can know is that we will never know


31 posted on 04/08/2014 11:36:30 PM PDT by maine-iac7 (Christian is as Christian does - by their fruits)
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To: maine-iac7

Yeah its quite the conundrum, one hand says the simplest explanation was it was a hijacking and yet the other hand is waving, pointing pumping up and down saying its over yonder, no wait its over there, no wait its over there.

Like someone attached some sporadic low powered pingers to several dolphins.

Occums razor, simplest explanation is often the right one.


32 posted on 04/08/2014 11:38:52 PM PDT by Spartan302
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To: maine-iac7

you don’t seriously expect me to believe anything out of the Russian propaganda machine, do you? Or, more correctly, the moosefolk propaganda machine pretending to be Russian “sources”.

And Almagordo, NM? sight of nuclear testing in the 50’s?? ha! well that’s a big bust. Musta been the only place the mooses could think of thru their clouds of opium smoke.

The flight path of the plane doesn’t show it headed anywhere near Diego Garcia. The 270degree turn south was too much turn. they sure weren’t going to get to DG by hugging Indonesia’s coastline.


33 posted on 04/09/2014 12:15:59 AM PDT by blueplum
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To: cva66snipe
If they can get two - three ships with the monitoring equipment to hear the pings they are hearing then they can triangulate and pinpoint the exact location.

The towed array has much greater capabilities than that.

But, I suspect you already know this...

34 posted on 04/09/2014 12:18:39 AM PDT by CurlyDave
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To: cva66snipe
“... If they can get two - three ships with the monitoring equipment to hear the pings they are hearing then they can triangulate and pinpoint the exact location...”

One ship can get the bearings just fine and more ships would just muddle the acoustical noise. The way one ship gets multiple bearings is pretty easy and uses moving bearings. It's a straight forward vector geometry procedure using direction of the ship, relative bearing of the acoustic fix, time and speed.

Underwater, there are several parameters that introduce variability as the sound can bounce around, it's not just a straight line. In addition, I have no idea how fine this towed sound receiver can resolve the apparent direction of a signal or for that matter, how fine the location of the detector can be fixed. The detector is being towed at the end of a mile or two of cable and would be buffeted around by currents and such.

Also with bearings, there is no such thing as an exact fix, it is a probable location with some of amount of error. For example, with two bearings there is an apparent location where the two bearing lines cross but the amount of error is unknown. However, it is more accurate to have three bearings and when you plot these, you have three intersections and when you connect the dots, you have an area enclosed by a triangle with the apparent position somewhere inside the triangle. I am guessing that the reduction in the search area is based on multiple bearings that are enclosing a box bounded by this new and smaller search area. If the pinger will keep pinging, the box will keep getting smaller.

35 posted on 04/09/2014 12:55:46 AM PDT by Hootowl99
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To: blueplum
The pingers ping continuously and suppossedly have a range of about 3 miles but water can do all manner of strange things with sound in terms of redirecting, blocking and distorting.

That detectors are picking up sporadic pings indicates they are probably close enough that even if the pinger batteries fail, a grid search of the ocean floor in that area could be done and the debris field located in a resonable amount of time.

36 posted on 04/09/2014 1:07:23 AM PDT by fso301
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To: blueplum

here’s the ‘explosion” in New Mexico

March 14 - dust storm

http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/NaturalHazards/view.php?id=19681

also, if you go to the below, you’ll see the radar track being used in one conspiracy article has the date March 14 in the upper right hand corner, but the article itself claims the ‘explosion’ occurred March 19 (another conspiracist claimed March 17 - I guess the moosies can’t proofread either).
https://greatgameindia.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/white-sands-missile-range-explosion-us-military-grade-thermate-mh370-airlines-greatgameindia.gif


37 posted on 04/09/2014 1:29:00 AM PDT by blueplum
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To: maine-iac7
Ignoring the Tin Foil Conspiracy and using practical common sense yes a satellite can read your license plate. Now just what do you think the rest of the picture looks like? It would be a blur.

Remember the Fortune 500 CEO/Adventurer who in past adventures sailed around the world in a balloon etc.? He was traced because he had a specific following him. That's all they did and he paid for that team. Remember his final fate? He took a flight out in his personal aircraft to survey a potential land deal and disappeared. This wasn't thousands of miles from land this was inside the CONUS on dry land. Remember the efforts both public and private in search and rescue? It took what several years to locate the plane on dry land. They had a much, much, smaller area to search for him and much better conditions.

The ocean like land is full of mountains, ridges, ravines, etc. underneath the water you don't see where things can not be found. Thus one reason a sub was likely no where near either. Sub Commanders prefer routes with very well charted maps. This potential crash site IF this is it is not in the normal shipping lanes. Many ships are at sea but only a very small percentage have the capabilities to track air traffic and many many less to pick up a ping from aircraft. The most capable would be military.

Our Navy has been cut from almost 600 under Reagans watch to well under half that with orders coming down now to keep them in port as much as possible. The Australian Navy IF they happened to have a ship in that area could have possibly picked up the plane. Then again this seems to be in an area they aren't that concerned about national security wise.

I think they have located the actual boxes or rather the general area and no I don't think someone dumped them there. Either there was a suicidal crewmember or the plane got taken over quickly by hijackers.

This isn't the first commercial passenger airliner to go down for unexplained reasons and some still have never been located. Considering they are searching one of the largest and remote area of the oceans I think they are doing a great job at a near impossible task.

But then again some conspiracy theorist still think we sank The Kursk. One conspiracy theorist thought it was impossible for any of the passenger's on 911 to make a cell call. He read it in an article written by a Math Professor.

38 posted on 04/09/2014 1:39:49 AM PDT by cva66snipe ((Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?))
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To: CurlyDave
The towed array has much greater capabilities than that. But, I suspect you already know this...

Yea that's the most accurate and likely the quickest. Three - four ships were getting pinging in the same general area. I think they'll have some wreckage located in a few days and maybe a box.

What people don't get is on land planes can fly for days in a search pattern looking for down craft on land in dense terrain without black boxes. In this circumstances they have a signal they have to locate first by no means easy & no fast practical means of a visual confirmation. It takes time, lots of skill, and luck. Satellites, radar, and sonar aren't magical wands. Neither are tracking transponders.

39 posted on 04/09/2014 2:06:05 AM PDT by cva66snipe ((Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?))
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To: maine-iac7

BTW I can go on line and see my property from an on file satellite photo. Guess what can not be seen? My house. LOL. Google earth can’t find it either. I can see my driveway but that’s all. I can see my neighbors houses all real well. Mine doesn’t show up and I know where to look for it.


40 posted on 04/09/2014 2:10:42 AM PDT by cva66snipe ((Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?))
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To: Hootowl99

Thanks for the explanation. Is this is the area they believe is 10K ft. plus deep? No doubt there can be distortions, false echo’s, etc especially if there is any terrain other than flat. When I was a kid living out in the boonies in the ridges we’d get a TV signal usually bounced off a nearby ridge.


41 posted on 04/09/2014 2:24:54 AM PDT by cva66snipe ((Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?))
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To: null and void

do you know why the locations are varying? i am guessing its nothing suspicious just the signal in water but i would like to know. no doubt as they get closer and closer its gets more accurate...is that how it works?


42 posted on 04/09/2014 2:26:44 AM PDT by Irishguy
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To: blueplum; null and void
that had allowed the search area to be further refined to 75,000 sq km.

If that map is accurate it looks like a refined area much smaller than 75,000km -- closer to 2,000kms.

43 posted on 04/09/2014 3:56:41 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: maine-iac7
Does no one find it curious that there’s been a media blackout on the payload of tha plane?

We know about the 4 tons of mangosteens --

44 posted on 04/09/2014 4:10:59 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Spartan302

I think it’s intact too, but not in the water.


45 posted on 04/09/2014 4:57:21 AM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: maine-iac7

My thoughts, this isn’t a simple crash, and I don’t believe it did crash. There was way too much preparation and practice.


46 posted on 04/09/2014 4:58:42 AM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: fso301

debris field? no, I am extremely skeptical of a debris field.


47 posted on 04/09/2014 5:00:57 AM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: spokeshave

...uh, why not? Be fun to find out the pinger was planted and a whale ate it.


48 posted on 04/09/2014 5:33:05 AM PDT by ThePatriotsFlag ("There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide." - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Ramius

Of course, sir. ;-)


49 posted on 04/09/2014 6:14:20 AM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: Kennard

I recall reading, perhaps here, that the Ocean Shield was hired after a one day contract was let out for an empty cargo ship. I felt then that it would be used to seed an area with possibly plane debris and pinging device. I’m sure the Arab wonder is in on this and doing his “flights to distract” so he won’t be sent home on a tarred rail.


50 posted on 04/09/2014 6:25:38 AM PDT by mcshot (..."And this too shall end.")
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