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Never Accept the Premise of Your Opponent’s Argument
Townhall.com ^ | April 12, 2014 | Steve Deace

Posted on 04/12/2014 12:10:32 PM PDT by Kaslin

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To: Kaslin

Bad premises, followed with perfect logic, yield bad conclusions.


21 posted on 04/12/2014 2:28:17 PM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: Kaslin

Especially the premise that they’re “compassionate” and “tolerant.”


22 posted on 04/12/2014 2:28:57 PM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: abb

-— Years ago, Allan Keyes told the audience at a function I was attending this: “You’ll never win a argument you don’t make.” -—

Excellent.

I ran for school committee in a liberal Marxichusetts town, just to get even for the education committed against me. I ran on a school choice platform because I see it as the only practical way to reform tax-funded schooling.

I must have asked the question, “why do my opponents oppose parents choosing their own schools?”

Of course, it’s an impossible question to answer, and none ever did. It sure beat talking about the Spanish immersion program.


23 posted on 04/12/2014 2:31:18 PM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: TBP

And the latest unicorn and candy kisses premise, “they cross the border illegally out of love”.


24 posted on 04/12/2014 2:32:07 PM PDT by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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To: Kaslin

that should be lesson #1 but all too often gope candidates fail at this


25 posted on 04/12/2014 2:40:55 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: TBP

The old, “Have you quit beating your wife? Yes, or no?”


26 posted on 04/12/2014 2:44:08 PM PDT by Avid Coug
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To: Kaslin

Sometimes they (the liberals) get the premise right and the solution wrong and work this scenario in their favor as well. People who don’t bother to think for themselves hear the correct premise with a terrible solution and assume since the premise is correct the solution is correct as well.

Examples: the problem: promiscuous behavior in the young has increased; solution - more abortion, more birth control, less regulation of pornography, movie standards, etc.

the problem: unemployment and a welfare society with no work ethic - the solution: more government money handed out to enable the behaviors

There are other examples out there; this odious set up by the left is another example of how they are winning in the idea realm.


27 posted on 04/12/2014 2:48:27 PM PDT by stonehouse01
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To: who_would_fardels_bear
"So if Obama's generals decide that gays and trannies "conform" to their version of the Uniformed Code of Military Justice then Mr. Deace is OK with that?

Do you think in your maddest feverdreams that the LGBT crowd would conform to normal behavior, instead they are demanding that all others conform to their's.

28 posted on 04/12/2014 2:49:32 PM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah so shall it be again,")
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To: Avid Coug
The old, “Have you quit beating your wife? Yes, or no?”

Response: "Have you?"

29 posted on 04/12/2014 2:57:25 PM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: fella
This is how Part (a) of Section 925 of the UCMJ used to read:

Any person subject to this chapter who engages in unnatural carnal copulation with another person of the same or opposite sex or with an animal is guilty of sodomy. Penetration, however slight, is sufficient to complete the offense.

This is how it reads now:

Forcible Sodomy.— Any person subject to this chapter who engages in unnatural carnal copulation with another person of the same or opposite sex by force or without the consent of the other person is guilty of forcible sodomy and shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.

Gays don't have to conform and change their behavior if Obama's generals change the code.

30 posted on 04/12/2014 3:04:00 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: IronJack

Another trap is being asked how you feel about a group like gay people; the premise is that you must hold an opinion about people you’ve never met based upon a single trait. How about “I reserve my judgment to only those people I know or whom I know about. My judgment is grounded on more than a single trait, like sexual behavior or skin pigmentation, but is founded on character traits, like loyalty, compassion, fidelity and industry.” You don’t have to generalize about any random group that share a single trait. In fact, if you do, that’s bigotry.


31 posted on 04/12/2014 3:05:40 PM PDT by Spok ("What're you going to believe-me or your own eyes?" -Marx (Groucho))
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA

For instance, you’ll often hear gun-grabbers say something like: “you don’t need a gun like that for hunting”.

Would saying “I don’t recognize your right to decide what I need and don’t need” work? That’s usually my response when someone talks about my needs.


32 posted on 04/12/2014 4:03:40 PM PDT by RWB Patriot ("My ability is a value that must be earned and I don't recognize anyone's need as a claim on me.")
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To: Kaslin

Examine your premises!


33 posted on 04/12/2014 4:13:03 PM PDT by BfloGuy ( Even the opponents of Socialism are dominated by socialist ideas.)
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To: RWB Patriot

Another good reply: “Well then, I guess its a good thing I don’t care what you think.”


34 posted on 04/12/2014 4:15:12 PM PDT by Avid Coug
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To: Kaslin

“Never Accept the Premise of Your Opponent’s Argument”

I decline to accept the premise of this argument.


35 posted on 04/12/2014 4:16:40 PM PDT by KrisKrinkle (Blessed be those who know the and breadth of "ignorance. Cursed be those who don't.)
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To: KrisKrinkle

I decline to decline to accept your declination of his argument.


36 posted on 04/12/2014 4:20:18 PM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS

Are we in “violent agreement” as Jerry B. Harvey might say?


37 posted on 04/12/2014 4:39:20 PM PDT by KrisKrinkle (Blessed be those who know the and breadth of "ignorance. Cursed be those who don't.)
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To: who_would_fardels_bear

That is an issue... the UCMJ is something that CAN be politically remolded. Nonetheless, it’s an illustration of not letting someone reframe your thoughts for you to the ill.


38 posted on 04/12/2014 4:42:05 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS

The double, triple, quadruple negatives get dizzying.


39 posted on 04/12/2014 4:42:39 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: RWB Patriot

At the least it highlights what they are trying to do; and it’s seldom something actually sensible like “You don’t need a hundred hydrogen bombs in your garage.”


40 posted on 04/12/2014 4:44:21 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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