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Federal agency vows to continue legal action after ending Nevada ranch standoff
Fox News ^ | April 13, 2014 | Edmund DeMarche, Matt Finn, & AP

Posted on 04/13/2014 6:22:58 AM PDT by libstripper

The Bureau of Land Management vowed Saturday that it would continue its legal fight to remove illegal cattle from a rural Nevada range after ending a tense weeklong standoff with a rancher and his supporters.

"After 20 years and multiple court orders to remove the trespass cattle, [rancher Cliven] Bundy owes the American taxpayers in excess of $1 million. The BLM will continue to work to resolve the matter administratively and judicially," a statement from the bureau said. "We ask that all parties in the area remain peaceful and law-abiding as the Bureau of Land Management and National Park Service work to end the operation in an orderly manner."

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 2damendment; bhoblm; blm; blmvsbundy; bundy; bundyranch; lawsuit; nevada; standoff
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Absolute proof of why we need the First and Second Amendments. This never would have happened without a stand by courageous, armed patriots.
1 posted on 04/13/2014 6:22:59 AM PDT by libstripper
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To: libstripper

Very true. I suspect, or hope, that somebody very high up bitch slapped the BLM, otherwise it could have become another Waco.


2 posted on 04/13/2014 6:26:38 AM PDT by ops33 (Senior Master Sergeant, USAF (Retired))
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To: libstripper

Yes, it was the armed militias that scared these low-life cowards away, but that never should have been necessary. If the sheriff had done his job and arrested the federal cattle ranchers there would have been no need to negotiate the return of this stolen property.

We need State and Local government officials who understand the constitution and are willing to stand against this dangerous growing federal bureaucracy.

The militias should just be a fail-safe.


3 posted on 04/13/2014 6:29:00 AM PDT by Junk Silver
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To: libstripper

Love how the bureaucratic hack says Bundy “owes taxpayers.” No he owes corrupt political hacks at wasteful government agencies who came up with bogus fees and taxes to drive out ranchers in order to make way for the ChiComs.


4 posted on 04/13/2014 6:29:41 AM PDT by nhwingut (This tagline is for lease)
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To: Junk Silver

Oops, I meant “federal cattle rustlers”. These people have no idea what ranching or any other productive activity is.


5 posted on 04/13/2014 6:30:20 AM PDT by Junk Silver
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To: libstripper

I haven’t seen anything in the news (Including Fox) about the Harry Reid/Reid’s son/Chinese connection to wanting that land for a Solar Plant. When is that going to surface?


6 posted on 04/13/2014 6:30:29 AM PDT by Old Retired Army Guy
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To: libstripper

They should say the criminal Reid will continue to push the take over so he can sell to China..that old fart is really getting brave..


7 posted on 04/13/2014 6:32:00 AM PDT by PLD
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To: ops33

While that is true, and I’ll give someone at the top credit for realizing that it would have only taken one mis-step for this situation to have turned very bad, I don’t for a minute think “it’s over”. What Bundy won is a battle, not the war. He got his cattle back, but the BLM may just be trading their strongarm tactics for ones that happen in courthouses, at the hands of lawyers and judges rather than ranchers and cowboys.


8 posted on 04/13/2014 6:35:27 AM PDT by bigbob (The best way to get a bad law repealed is to enforce it strictly. Abraham Lincoln)
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To: Old Retired Army Guy

“When is that going to surface?”

A week or two after the Loch Ness Monster comes up for air... long enough to be interviewed on MSNBC.


9 posted on 04/13/2014 6:35:28 AM PDT by MeshugeMikey ( "Never, never, never give up". Winston Churchill ..We WIll Remember Bunkerville!)
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To: libstripper

Are their lips moving? Then they must be lying. I hope the local supporters stay vigilant and with cameras ready.


10 posted on 04/13/2014 6:39:00 AM PDT by jdsteel (Give me freedom, not more government.)
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To: bigbob
You're probably right about the gov going after him through the courts and legal harassment. But this battle is showing us that we are not alone and we can take on the government. More people will come the next time.

The Connecticut gun grab law is another one that got people going. Slowly more people are seeing, and more importantly acting, on what is going on. People are not buying guns in record numbers because it's blue skies and unicorns with Obama.

11 posted on 04/13/2014 6:44:29 AM PDT by Betty Jane
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To: libstripper
Folks are fed-up is what they are.

I hope and pray more citizens begin standing up to these thugs.

No one wants armed conflict, except the alphabet agencies. Who showed up with all their toy’z first?

Well...there ya have it.

12 posted on 04/13/2014 6:47:08 AM PDT by servantboy777
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To: libstripper

“We ask that all parties in the area remain peaceful and law-abiding...”

Okay, BLM. You first.


13 posted on 04/13/2014 7:01:11 AM PDT by mrs. a (It's a short life but a merry one...)
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To: jdsteel

Both guns and cameras. The guns (2d Amendment) get the attention and the cameras publicize what’s going on (1st Amendment, forcing the Regime’s thugs to back down. Just as the Framers intended, the two amendments work together to prevent tyranny.


14 posted on 04/13/2014 7:04:56 AM PDT by libstripper
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To: libstripper
They will probably team up with the EPA and IRS - will triple the size of the army they can put on the ground and add some more ruthlessness to the mix.

They won't be happy until they get the opportunity to use lethal force to put those who resist into "their proper place".

15 posted on 04/13/2014 7:10:35 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: trebb

Well let’s hope that there is some strategery happening.. that they aren’t just waiting to respond.

Ideas include finding the identities, contact information, and the office and home locations of individuals who make decisions - AND importantly - any individuals who are tasked to attempt to enforce. These people have to know that they’ll be in the cross hairs in a way exactly like those they target.

...


16 posted on 04/13/2014 7:16:36 AM PDT by Principled (Obama: Unblemished by success.)
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To: Junk Silver

Who are “the armed militias”? What made them different from the rest of the protestors? In the videos I watched the protesters seemed unorganized and even belligerent. Didn’t seem like there was any leadership, seemed like a mob. If protesters and militias want CW2 like some were saying they better be more organized than that and have some real leadership or it will crash and burn big time.


17 posted on 04/13/2014 7:20:27 AM PDT by dynoman (Objectivity is the essence of intelligence. - Marylin vos Savant)
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To: libstripper
"After 20 years and multiple court orders to remove the trespass cattle, [rancher Cliven] Bundy owes the American taxpayers in excess of $1 million. The BLM will continue to work to resolve the matter administratively and judicially,"

Bad article that reinforces the government's bogus storyline. Bundy has not been allowed to pay his grazing fee because he has refused to sign the illegal terms and conditions that would destroy his livlihood. The BLM wants to get rid of Bundy and all other ranchers and are using the Endangered Species Act to illegally reduce ranchers allotment and vastly increase fees.

Bundy's legal claims are shaky. He needs a real legal team who can attack the BLM thugs and their criminal behavior. What he is doing now just won't work.

18 posted on 04/13/2014 7:26:21 AM PDT by centurion316
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To: libstripper

Try to imagine where we would be all over this country if we didn’t have guns. These progressive goons would have their boot on everyone’s throats 24/7. Its bad enough with guns.


19 posted on 04/13/2014 7:26:36 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: libstripper
The Bureau of Land Management vowed Saturday that it would continue its legal fight to remove illegal cattle from a rural Nevada range after ending a tense weeklong standoff with a rancher and his supporters.

If only the FedGov was as concerned with removal of 25 million illegal aliens.

20 posted on 04/13/2014 7:27:05 AM PDT by Colonel_Flagg ("Compromise" means you've already decided you lost.)
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To: Junk Silver

If the sheriff had done his job and arrested the federal cattle ranchers there would have been no need to negotiate the return of this stolen property.


I agree 100%. Just because the government owns land in the sheriff’s county, doesn’t give the federal government the right to violate the rights of a county resident. It is the duty of the sheriff to stand between the county resident and Big Government. Instead, this sheriff swallowed the federal government’s line instead of siding with a lifetime, honest, common man cattle rancher in his county. Then after the Militia turned the BLM around, the sheriff gets out in front of the cameras and tries to pretend he had something to do with it. After all the decades of Western grazing on marginal land, it should have been evident to the sheriff that there was nefarious action afoot. Now we know the land grab was a contrived action instigated by the Weasel with a corrupt profit motive.


21 posted on 04/13/2014 7:30:26 AM PDT by iontheball
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To: libstripper

“Legal Action” now there is a unique concept for the Democrats?


22 posted on 04/13/2014 7:31:01 AM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: Junk Silver
We need State and Local government officials who understand the constitution and are willing to stand against this dangerous growing federal bureaucracy.

Nevada is overrun with communists Democratrs and these jackasses have no idea who hurt their economy and damn near destroyed their casinos. Reid is the example of fools electing fools.

23 posted on 04/13/2014 7:31:19 AM PDT by Logical me
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To: libstripper

The BLM cancels his grazing leases and then says he owes them money! Corruption personified.


24 posted on 04/13/2014 7:33:47 AM PDT by JayAr36 (When an American dies Obama lies. And lies, and lies and lies forever.)
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To: libstripper
The BLM is a communists controlled brown shirts organization and answers to no one but Reid who is one of the right arms of King Obama. The entire Washington, with very few exceptions, is so totally corrupt I fear America is lost. Remove the weapons in the hands of the BLM and these cowards would run.
25 posted on 04/13/2014 7:35:30 AM PDT by Logical me
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To: iontheball
f the sheriff had done his job

He is doing his job. He is the Sheriff of Clark County, elected by the voters of Las Vegas and controlled by the power brokers thereof including Harry Reid. They want the ranchers gone in order to get their water rights and the BLM is doing their bidding

26 posted on 04/13/2014 7:42:07 AM PDT by centurion316
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To: libstripper

Some congressman, any congressman, needs to insert a rider in a “must pass” appropriations bill that states that *all* federal land takings in Clark county, Nevada, are to be returned to their previous owners and their families, stripped of federal preserve designations, and that no federal lease of that land is valid. It is either owned by private families or the county itself.

While the Democrats would likely spot it and kill it, it would drive Harry Reid nuts, because he would know that the minute he is out of power, that resolution would be passed, and he and his bastard son would lose all their precious Chinese graft money.

If the Republicans pass it when they are in power, it should include a formal apology to the ranchers whose land was taken, as well as reparations to them for their loss from the takings.


27 posted on 04/13/2014 7:42:11 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (WoT News: Rantburg.com)
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To: Junk Silver

HISTORICAL FACTUAL DEFINITION OF MILITIA

1837-8 “But what is meant of our militia? Why, when he spoke of them, he meant American citizens, accustomed to the use of arms; not in the camp or in the field, but American citizens accustomed to use THEIR ARMS, and to all that manual dexterity which could only be gained by long practice; not field maneouvering and marching, but a perfect knowledge of the rifle and the musket.
Such a use of the rifle that you could take the eye out of a squirrel on the highest tree.”

“Proceedings and Debates of the Convention of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania”, Vol. 4, by the Pennsylvania Constitutional Convention, 1837-8 pp168-180

1775 ”In the American war the distresses of the country were aggravated from the circumstance that every man was obliged some way or other to be in the public service. In Europe where military operations are carried on by armies hired and by paid for the purpose the common people partake but little of the calamities of war; but in America where the Whole people were enrolled as a militia”
“The History of the American Revolution”, Volume 2, - By David Ramsay, 1793, P.285


28 posted on 04/13/2014 7:51:45 AM PDT by bunkerhill7 ("The Second Amendment has no limits on firepower"-NY State Senator Kathleen A. Marchione.")
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To: Junk Silver

HISTORICAL FACTUAL DEFINITION OF MILITIA

1837-8 “But what is meant of our militia? Why, when he spoke of them, he meant American citizens, accustomed to the use of arms; not in the camp or in the field, but American citizens accustomed to use THEIR ARMS, and to all that manual dexterity which could only be gained by long practice; not field maneouvering and marching, but a perfect knowledge of the rifle and the musket.
Such a use of the rifle that you could take the eye out of a squirrel on the highest tree.”

“Proceedings and Debates of the Convention of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania”, Vol. 4, by the Pennsylvania Constitutional Convention, 1837-8 pp168-180

1775 ”In the American war the distresses of the country were aggravated from the circumstance that every man was obliged some way or other to be in the public service. In Europe where military operations are carried on by armies hired and by paid for the purpose the common people partake but little of the calamities of war; but in America where the Whole people were enrolled as a militia”
“The History of the American Revolution”, Volume 2, - By David Ramsay, 1793, P.285


29 posted on 04/13/2014 7:51:53 AM PDT by bunkerhill7 ("The Second Amendment has no limits on firepower"-NY State Senator Kathleen A. Marchione.")
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To: PLD

Rustler Reid.


30 posted on 04/13/2014 7:56:54 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: libstripper

This was all bluff and was not a Federal court order. The courts enforcement arm is the U.S. Marshals Service. Not the BLM. Was Bundy served by a Marshal? Why wasn’t the Marshal Service in command and control?


31 posted on 04/13/2014 8:05:37 AM PDT by DeWalt (Times are more like they used to be than they are today.)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
Some congressman, any congressman, needs to insert a rider in a “must pass” appropriations bill that states that *all* federal land takings in Clark county, Nevada, are to be returned to their previous owners and their families, stripped of federal preserve designations, and that no federal lease of that land is valid. It is either owned by private families or the county itself.

____________________________________________________
You raise a damn good point. What is the government's claim of ‘ownership’ based on? Where is the agreement between Nevada and the feds? Why did it take place? What are the names of the persons who entered into such an agreement? Did the people of the State of Nevada have a voice in the decision? Was consideration (money) provided to the State of Nevada for the land? Did Nevada retain a reversionary clause giving it the right to reclaim exclusive control of the property.?

32 posted on 04/13/2014 8:18:44 AM PDT by iontheball
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To: libstripper

We need congressional hearings. Which committee has oversight over BLM?


33 posted on 04/13/2014 8:21:15 AM PDT by Piranha (Power is not only what you have but what the enemy thinks you have - Saul Alinsky)
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To: iontheball

Nevada gave up the land when they became a state

http://www.c-span.org/video/?314028-1/federal-land-rights-nevada


34 posted on 04/13/2014 8:25:57 AM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: Piranha

Probably the House Subcommittee on Public Lands and Environmental Regulation.

Louis Gohmert is on that committee.

Good luck with the Senate Subcommittee on Public Lands, Forests, and Mining.


35 posted on 04/13/2014 8:37:38 AM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: Old Retired Army Guy

Supposedly that “deal” was canceled in 2013......but I haven’t seen that proof, only a quote from a Liberal.


36 posted on 04/13/2014 8:38:29 AM PDT by 4Speed
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To: dynoman

I agree with your point on the need for “leadership”.

That said, America and Americans are ALWAYS slow to get riled and get organized and have leaders matriculate to the top.

On 911, the F16s nearby were unarmed and no one could get to the ammo on time but two pilots, one code named “lucky”, a female “improvised” , along with her male colonel superior, and jumped in the planes to go ram Flt 93. Kudos to the gal. She did her DUTY! Today she is a mother of two.

Between Concords first shots and Yorktown was something like 17 years. And, its a fact, more “Americans” were killed in the Revolution fighting each other than were killed by British soldiers.

At Pearl Harbor, locked up ammo and Sunday morning prevented access to shipboard armories and ammunition for many precious minutes during the attack. Some locks were simply shot off by “emerging leaders”. A black sailor from Austin who was a cook manned the .50 cal. Why a cook? History isn’t clear where the sailor who was suppose to operate it was. But, the young black man emerged as a leader that day.

So, I think the big lesson coming out of this Nevada cattle incident is that when all the machines of government including federal agencies and federal courts, and politicians become corrupted that a “ well damn’t, lets go out there and confront these bastards with old men, pregnant women and bare fists up against their guns...... If that’s ALL WE CAN DO”...AND THEY DID, ......WORKS!

So, on a few minutes notice I think these old men, pregnant women and unarmed “just plain citizens” showed the world that is possible to get to an “enough is enough” point and stand up to the Feds.

I’m glad no one got hurt but I fear the Red River showdown is coming and being as it’s Texas, and the Marxist/socialist’s in DC HATE Texas, a different result could happen with lots of folks dead or injured.

Notwithstanding any of the foregoing, the “tree of liberty” awaits in some future incident as millions of producing Americans are way beyond “enough is enough”.


37 posted on 04/13/2014 8:39:35 AM PDT by Cen-Tejas (it's the debt bomb stupid!)
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To: rolling_stone

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CFR-2008-title43-vol2/pdf/CFR-2008-title43-vol2-subtitleB-chapII-subchapD.pdf

§ 4100.0–2 Objectives.
(a)The objectives of these regulations
are to promote healthy sustainable
rangeland ecosystems; to accelerate
restoration and improvement of public
rangelands to properly functioning
conditions; to promote the orderly use,
improvement and development of the
public lands; to establish efficient and
effective administration of grazing of
public rangelands; and to provide for
the sustainability of the western livestock
industry and communities that
are dependent upon productive, healthy
public rangelands

(b) These objectives will be realized
in a manner consistent with land use
plans, multiple use, sustained yield, environmental
values, economic and
other objectives stated in the Taylor
Grazing Act of June 28, 1934, as amended
(43 U.S.C. 315, 315a–315r); section 102
of the Federal Land Policy and Management
Act of 1976 (43 U.S.C. 1701) and
the Public Rangelands Improvement
Act of 1978 (43 U.S.C. 1901(b)(2)).
[60 FR 9960, Feb. 22, 1995, as amended


38 posted on 04/13/2014 8:45:39 AM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: rolling_stone
§ 4110.1–1 Acquired lands. Where lands have been acquired by the Bureau of Land Management through purchase, exchange, Act of Congress or Executive Order, and an agreement or the terms of the act or Executive Order provide that the Bureau of Land Management shall honor existing grazing permits or leases, such permits or leases are governed by the terms and conditions in effect at the time of acquisition by the Bureau of Land Management, and are not subject to the requirements of § 4110.1. [60 FR 9962, Feb. 22, 1995] http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CFR-2008-title43-vol2/pdf/CFR-2008-title43-vol2-subtitleB-chapII-subchapD.pdf
39 posted on 04/13/2014 8:50:34 AM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: jjotto

Senate committee hearing would not happen.

I think you are right about the house committee: http://naturalresources.house.gov/subcommittees/subcommittee/?SubcommitteeID=5064

But I love the idea of involving Gohmert. What kind of a guy is Rob Bishop, and where does he stand on big government appropriapriating private lands?


40 posted on 04/13/2014 8:52:58 AM PDT by Piranha (Power is not only what you have but what the enemy thinks you have - Saul Alinsky)
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To: rolling_stone

Good posts and important references. It’s important to not that the BLM has been acting in contravention of law and the objectives that you cite in order to force ranchers off the land. Their primary weapon has been the Endangered Species Act, but they use whatever works.

The same thing has been going on in the Forest Service and the National Park Service. The environmentalists have decided that all public land is reserved for them and for them alone. All other people and activities must be banned. Unless it’s a green energy scam, of course.


41 posted on 04/13/2014 8:59:07 AM PDT by centurion316
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To: Piranha

Rob Bishop is usually described as part of the Tea Party.


42 posted on 04/13/2014 8:59:14 AM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: libstripper

Legal discovery is gonna’ be a bitch... for Sen. Reid.


43 posted on 04/13/2014 9:01:45 AM PDT by Flick Lives ("I can't believe it's not Fascism!")
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To: bunkerhill7
I won't use the unsubstantiated Japan’s Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto quote about not invading America because there is a rifle behind every blade of grass, but the concept is true. An armed citizenry is deterrent to many things. It is with this in mind that I would declare the militia anyone who would be willing defend the United States against all enemies both foreign and domestic.

I don't think there would be any doubt who the enemy would be in a foreign invasion and when it comes to domestic enemies, I guess the winners get to define that.

44 posted on 04/13/2014 9:26:08 AM PDT by Starstruck (If my reply offends, you probably don't understand sarcasm or criticism...or do.)
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To: libstripper

FOOD FOR THOUGHT... COULD THIS BE CONNECTED TO:
1. LEAKED MEMO about a planned, 10 MILLION ACRE WESTERN LAND GRAB by the OBAMA ADMINISTRATION of 17 sites in 11 western states.
http://www.examiner.com/article/obama-administration-land-grab-memo-leaked

2. Chinese energy company seeking to build a $5 billion solar panel plant on a 9,000-acre Clark County desert plot in Laughlin, Nevada. http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/09/04/Harry-Reid-s-Son-Representing-Chinese-Solar-Panel-Plant-In-5-Billion-Nevada-Deal


45 posted on 04/13/2014 9:37:24 AM PDT by UMCRevMom@aol.com
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To: libstripper

I noticed their “1st Amendment” areas keep shrinking. I don’t believe the Constitution mentioned anything about “1st Amendment” areas.

Same thuggery as in the Dem caused shutdown.


46 posted on 04/13/2014 9:42:50 AM PDT by dforest
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To: bigbob

“I’ll give someone at the top credit for realizing that it would have only taken one mis-step for this situation to have turned very bad,”

What really happened is the connection that was made regarding dirt harry and his son’s deals with the chinese and dolar farms. That would have looked bad. I spoke with my mother in Pittsburgh today and she hadn’t even heard about the standoff. The only news they had all week was the 16 yr old that stabbed all the kids in Maurraysville.


47 posted on 04/13/2014 9:49:29 AM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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To: dynoman
The protesters did a great job and should be honored as great Americans. It is disappointing to see people such as yourself who spread negative misinformation. The BLM is in the wrong. Can you understand that?
48 posted on 04/13/2014 10:11:18 AM PDT by ohioman
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To: Cen-Tejas

History BUMP!


49 posted on 04/13/2014 10:15:17 AM PDT by Jane Long (While Marxists continue the fundamental transformation of the USA, progressive RINOs assist!)
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To: libstripper; All
"Both guns and cameras"

Funny how ARMED protestors seem to be taken far more seriously than the unarmed sign carrier.

50 posted on 04/13/2014 10:16:19 AM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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