Posted on 04/15/2014 7:45:53 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
Why does he have no leg to stand on? He has paperwork showing that the land is state and not federal, I thought.
Except for direct crime or war-fighting departments such as Defense, Customs, FBI or Secret Service, no government agency shall maintain a SWAT, military, or police force, nor may they hold or maintain weapons above a certain caliber.
If its a national security issue, Congress should call the Army. If its a criminal issue, then authorize either the FBI to be involved, or work through the State/local law enforcement. The Federal alphabet agencies all having their own spetnaz forces is beyond the pale.
One might add that the federal government has said that it plans to euthanize a substantial number of desert tortoises soon at their Nevada conservation center, because they lack the funds to keep taking care of them.
Also, that the legal situation is not so clear as the article suggests. Yes, Bundy is likely to lose the legal battle, since the government has the big bucks and the political clout. But he has substantial arguments that, after a hundred years of family use, the land is his for grazing.
Cattle ranching is Bundy’s livelihood; it’s how he feeds his family. Even if he is trespassing his cattle, it’s not a crime — he’s doing so “out of love.”
Sorry Hindracker..sympathy is not a strategy. It is time to stand up to tyranny. If not now, when? If not there, where?
see post 7 about terms and conditions Bundy would need to sign before paying
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3144484/posts?page=7#7
A nice clear write-up of the situation.
Exactly! If “this ain’t the hill to die on” folks better pick another, and purity damn quick.
Let’s not forget that the many on the left believe that grazing animals contribute to global warming, meat production has a higher carbon footprint than vegetable diets and that they want us all to be more vegetarian. Driving out ranchers has an incremental effect of raising beef prices....
Looking at the picture of the “snipers”, can anyone tell me why the guy in the front is holding a paintball marker (gun)? The hopper on top is a dead giveaway. I can’t make out the CO2 tank, which is why I’m asking.
The fact that these heavily armed government agencies exist and are thriving means that congress approves of them even if they claim otherwise. Same with the despicable IRS.
Tear gas pellets?
The Bundy are like tax protesters so while they won’t win in court, we should be sympathetic to their cause. Income taxes are illegal but the government forces us to pay them anyway. We either pay or we go to jail. The Bundy are the few who are brave enough to fight back
Sympathies for the Bundy’s simply because the federal government is out of control and we are constantly losing our rights.
That FOXNEWS token lefty Bob Butwhole or whatever he goes by
keeps calling the Bundys “lawbreakers”. Of course those foreigners
who break the law crossing our national borders don’t bother
him and his ilk.
Bundy claims that state owns the land. It is also true that the Bundy
family connection to the land predates the BLM and their grazing
fee schedule which seems like it should invoke a grandfather
clause of some type.
They won’t win because the new laws have been written that ignores the old ones
crickets.
“There have been a lot of people criticizing Clive Bundy because he did not pay his grazing fees for 20 years. The public is also probably wondering why so many other cowboys are supporting Mr. Bundy even though they paid their fees and Clive did not. What you people probably do not realize is that on every rancher’s grazing permit it says the following: “You are authorized to make grazing use of the lands, under the jurisdiction of the Bureau of Land Management and covered by this grazing permit, upon your acceptance of the terms and conditions of this grazing permit and payment of grazing fees when due.” The “mandatory” terms and conditions go on to list the allotment, the number and kind of livestock to be grazed, when the permit begins and ends, the number of active or suspended AUMs (animal units per month), etc. The terms and conditions also list specific requirements such as where salt or mineral supplements can be located, maximum allowable use of forage levels (40% of annual growth), etc., and include a lot more stringent policies that must be adhered to. Every rancher must sign this “contract” agreeing to abide by the TERMS AND CONDITIONS before he or she can make payment. In the early 90s, the BLM went on a frenzy and drastically cut almost every rancher’s permit because of this desert tortoise issue, even though all of us ranchers knew that cow and desert tortoise had co-existed for a hundred+ years. As an example, a family friend had his permit cut by 90%. For those of you who are non ranchers, that would be equated to getting your paycheck cut 90%. In 1976 there were approximately 52 ranching permittees in this area of Nevada. Presently, there are 3. Most of these people lost their livelihoods because of the actions of the BLM. Clive Bundy was one of these people who received extremely unfair and unreasonable TERMS AND CONDITIONS. Keep in mind that Mr. Bundy was required to sign this contract before he was allowed to pay. Had Clive signed on the dotted line, he would have, in essence, signed his very livelihood away. And so Mr. Bundy took a stand, not only for himself, but for all of us. He refused to be destroyed by a tyrannical federal entity and to have his American liberties and freedoms taken away. Also keep in mind that all ranchers financially paid dearly for the forage rights those permits allow - - not rights to the land, but rights to use the forage that grows on that land. Many of these AUMS are water based, meaning that the rancher also has a vested right (state owned, not federal) to the waters that adjoin the lands and allow the livestock to drink. These water rights were also purchased at a great price. If a rancher cannot show beneficial use of the water (he must have the appropriate number of livestock that drinks and uses that water), then he loses that water right. Usually water rights and forage rights go hand in hand. Contrary to what the BLM is telling you, they NEVER compensate a rancher for the AUMs they take away. Most times, they tell ranchers that their AUMS are “suspended,” but not removed. Unfortunately, my family has thousands of “suspended” AUMs that will probably never be returned. And so, even though these ranchers throughout the course of a hundred years invested thousands(and perhaps millions) of dollars and sacrificed along the way to obtain these rights through purchase from others, at a whim the government can take everything away with the stroke of a pen. This is the very thing that Clive Bundy single-handedly took a stand against. Thank you, Clive, from a rancher who considers you a hero.”
-Kena Lytle Gloeckner
(H/T SatinDoll)
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