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To: MarMema

Here is something that goes unmentioned. Why would the states voluntarily “give” their land to the government and let the government collect permit fees for the effort? Deserts don’t need to be “managed”. The endangered species BS, which has mostly been a ruse starting with the Buffalo and working it’s way through and including newly discovered species of insects has been used as a federal weapon to confiscate land, power and wealth.

Remember the family that was finally forced to sell their redwood forest so that the forest could be saved (Northern California)? They owned and logged and cultivated that redwood forest for almost 150 years. In the 80s some lady climbed a tree and stayed there for a month to prevent loggers from cutting down their own tree. In 1998 the state and fed purchased the forest from the logging family (under duress) for $1 Million. Almost 10 years later, most of it burned in a forest fire because the dead wood was not being cleaned from the forest any longer.

Anything the fed touches turns the shit. They couldn’t manage a ham sandwich if Emeril Lagasse was their chef.


5 posted on 04/15/2014 11:14:27 AM PDT by Tenacious 1 (My whimsical litany of satyric prose and avarice pontification of wisdom demonstrates my concinnity.)
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To: Tenacious 1

The Federal government has always owned the land outside of the original 13 states, plus Vermont and Maine. States like Virginia, Pennsylvania, Connecticut, etc claimed the land out to the Pacific for themselves, but agreed to cede their claims to the Federal government back at the time of the founding. The land west of the Appalachians has always been Federal land, it is how the government funded itself, along with tariffs, by selling it to settlers. Since Nevada did not exist, and was still under the Bourbon monarchs in Madrid at the time of the founding, the state would own no land unless it purchased it from the Federal government. People might not like the fact, but it is a fact, and those responsible for it were the Founders, Madison, Washington, Hamilton, et al.


10 posted on 04/15/2014 11:28:30 AM PDT by gusty
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To: Tenacious 1

“Anything the fed touches turns the shit. They couldn’t manage a ham sandwich if Emeril Lagasse was their chef.”

OMG, and I am now replacing my Depends. Quote of the week! Good job!


12 posted on 04/15/2014 11:34:00 AM PDT by tgusa (gun control: deep breath, sight alignment, squeeze the trigger .......)
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To: Tenacious 1
The states didn't give land to the federal govt. This land was ceded to the US from Mexico. The US govt paid for the war with Mexico. They also paid money for the Louisiana Purchase and the Gadsden Purchase.

The feds also built forts and hired soldiers all over the west to fight the Indians so the land could be settled

The feds paid for the territorial govts.

Bundy's family homesteaded for free. But he thinks the federal govt should have given him a million acres.

15 posted on 04/15/2014 11:48:36 AM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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